Completely agree! If no real RAW, it is just an upgrade of D70 and not a replacement for D100 - I don't need it at all and will not pay for it! A year ago I had to upgrade from modern D70 to ancient D100 because of real RAW, sacrificing a lot of modern features, and desired D200 in order to have the best of both worlds in one camera (plus something more). One may say that 10 MP compressed still gives more info then 6 MP uncompressed - but resolution is not everything! Will stay with my D100 for serious work and my D70 for snapshots until a new compact DSLR with real RAW is available. Why not just to make a D2 version without an integrated vertical grip instead of inventing a monster with a lot of bells and whistles and intentionally limited output? Are they really so stupid not to read here what we really want? The most insulting thing is that lack of uncompressed RAW can be nothing but an intentional software feature - it costs nothing, Nikon is clearly saying - if you want an unspoiled real image for post-processing - invest in D2x!
Are they really >so stupid not to read here what we really want? The most >insulting thing is that lack of uncompressed RAW can be >nothing but an intentional software feature - it costs >nothing, Nikon is clearly saying - if you want an unspoiled >real image for post-processing - invest in D2x!
Yup, I forgot who it was that predicted we'd be complaining within hours of the initial announcement. I guess even in Italian. I did drag myself through the Italian press release and it mentioned a different filter that would reduce moire and CA. I'm all for that. Sure will be nice to read an official release in a language I'm a little better versed. Looks like it might be a really nice camera, especially if it will support the old lenses, and at the earlier leaked price point. At 1699 I'll buy one in February or March when they become generally available.
I agree that they should make compression an optional setting, but if I can't see it, I'm not going to worry about it. Especially if it speeds up camera operation and allows me store more files on my cards.
>There is a lot of debate about whether 'visually lossless' >compressed NEF is truly lossless. > >http://www.majid.info/mylos/weblog/2004/05/02-1.html >http://bythom.com/D70REVIEW.HTM > > >While I may not be able to see it, I just don't like the >idea of someone else choosing which data I should lose. There's no debate. It has been proven to be technically lossy and I believe Nikon admit as such, hence the term 'visually lossless' to distinguish it. At least in terms of the data from the sensor. It is however what they say, 'visually lossless'. i.e. some data might be discarded but it's data that's of no use in the final image anyway so may as well throw it away and save space. You may not get back all the original data, but you'll always get back the original image.
Besides, quoting the first of those links...
"The D70 only offers compressed NEFs as an option, but mercifully they have improved the performance. Ken Rockwell asserts D70 compressed NEFs are lossless, while Thom Hogan claims:..."
I think the section in the spec is only mentioning the compression method, not the file system as someone traslated it: Sistema di memorizzazione: NEF compresso (RAW): compressione a 12 bit, JPEG: compatibile con JPEG linea di base standard
I checked my D100 manual and it contained almost the same thing: Compression: Compressed NEF (raw): 12-bit lossless compression JPEG: JPEG baseline compliant
Oh, that is a good news... I was a little bit too fast to panic... If it has real RAW, I will be the first one to order one via the local store, in spite of the fact the price here in Switzerland is going to be CHF 2'990 (about USD 2'400). And, it is already 1st of November in Japan - I hope we are not going to discuss tomorrow if the next possible announcement date would be the 15th
Seems a bit odd that it might be announced in Western Europe before it is in Tokyo...given that the Dutch (?) announcement is actually to occur at 2000hrs 01 Nov. It will be 0400 02 Nov in Tokyo at that time.
I'm still very skeptical and can't seem to get my hopes up. I really want to make the dive into digital photography and would love to wait on this camera. But with the holidays quickly approaching, my wife is pretty much telling me to do something now.
It would be downright silly not to wait for one more day. Everything under the sun points to an announcement tomorrow. I would expect that they will announce the D200 tomorrow night in Stockholm at 8:00 pm... and they will also tell you that you can expect to have it before Christmas.
I would imagine you could order it from B&H on Wednesday.
>It would be downright silly not to wait for one more day. >Everything under the sun points to an announcement tomorrow. > I would expect that they will announce the D200 tomorrow >night in Stockholm at 8:00 pm... and they will also tell you >that you can expect to have it before Christmas. > >I would imagine you could order it from B&H on Wednesday.
Well, of course I'm gonna wait one more day.
But it still isnt going to get me a cam before Thanksgiving...
It might be available immediately (not likely, but it could happen). A D70s by Thanksgiving or a D200 by Christmas??? Which would you rather have on Christmas Day 2005? It is hard, but patience is a virtue that can really pay off!!