I have high res photos from the Nikon UK site and an animation capture of the D200 Flash page that was found on the nikondigital site.
I don't want to post any images until the ground here seems more stable.
The specs from the Flash presentation:
10.2 Megapixel DX CCD 11 area AF system 1005 pixel 3D RGB metering II 5 fps 2.5" LCD Magnesium alloy body 100K cycle shutter EN-EL3e battery provides up to 1800 shots Suggest selling price $1700
From the photos: Popup flash built in, assist light 10 pin port PC-sync connector DOF preview and multifunction button like D2 series Viewfinder eyepiece is rectangular, new style eyecup Top panel controls similar to D2 series
Photos also include a new 18-200 3.4-5.6 G AF-s VR lens. There are several photos of a new IR commander module for I-TTL flash units along with a new concept "ringlight". There are indivdual wireless light modules that clip to the rim of a ring that attaches to the lens. Photos show two light modules on the ring, but I'd bet than you can attach as many as you need and position the modules around the ring for the best lighting angles.
A November 1 official announcement is expected based on invitations extended by various Nikon distrubutors.
Wondering BJNicholls, did you get the shots direct from the Nikon UK website or did you grab them from elsewhere? If you got them direct....did you get the horse jump photo? The version I've got downloaded from one of the people who saved the pics to their sites has no EXIF...does yours have any? would be nice to know
2 megapixels isn't a significant resolution difference. The real question is how this new generation CCD performs. The D50 internal processor beats the noise performance of the D70. The D200 should benefit from all that Nikon has learned to-date. And the CCD should mean 1/500 speedlight sync and studio strobe sync at even faster speeds.
I'm getting in line for two of these. I just hope that mirror lockup or prerelease is one of the features.
>2 megapixels isn't a significant resolution difference.
True, it doesn't seem to be, but 12mp would have been very welcome in my corner. Doesn't matter though, it is what it is.
>real question is how this new generation CCD performs. The >D50 internal processor beats the noise performance of the >D70. The D200 should benefit from all that Nikon has learned >to-date.
One would certainly hope so. That the sensor should best the performance of the d50 is not an unreasonable expectation, IMO. I also hope that they dropped the encryption and put the EXIF info in the proper fields.
>I'm getting in line for two of these. I just hope that
As long as I can get one in a reasonable time frame, I guess it's okay that you get two of them....
>mirror lockup or prerelease is one of the features.
Yes, I don't quite understand why MLU isn't standard. I can't imagine that it adds much difficulty or expense to the process.
>Wow Kerry, the planets must be in full alignment....I >completely agree with all of your comments
I'm really not a bad guy and in my world, friends are allowed to disagree from time to time.
>I am very disappointed in the 10MP Sensor, I was really >hoping for a duplicate of the D2X.
As was I. I'd like to have as much wiggle room as possible. But, 10mp will have to do for a while and it's certainly a significant improvement over my 2 d70s. My biggest disappointment was that it wasn't available this past summmer.
But, even that isn't all that bad. I can convert my oldest d70 to full IR, when the d200 lands in my bag. I wouldn't have done that if I hadn't bought the 2nd d70.
For what I do, I'm fine with the resolution at 10MP. And until I see photos from the D200, I'm happy that it is not the same sensor as the D2X. It might just be better.
In this day in age where we are up to 10MP consumer cameras, I do not expect each new camera to blow away the previous model anymore in terms of megapixels, D2H replacement not withstanding. The D300 might be 12 MP or so, but the biggest difference will likely be more features and slight improvements in PQ. The days of huge differences between models and leapfrogging way over the competition are about over in this world I think.
I am moderately disappointed with the 10 mp after hearing so many folks say it was going to have the d2x sensor. I'm looking for a camera to replace my medium format stuff and as a hobbyist I can't afford the d2x or 1ds II. Pro wedding and sports photographers probably already have their orders placed.
If this camera came out right after the 20D I would have been in awe. But as it stands, today you can get the point and shoot Sony DSC-R1 camera with the same resolution and a DX sensor. When the D100 came out, no point and shoot matched it, and it actually had better resolution than the top of the line Nikon pro digital. 10 mp isn't the leap in resolution that the D100 was.
Have you seen the image quality from the Sony R1? They use what looks like a cropped version of the D2X sensor, but they went with an electronic shutter. The noise levels are considerably higher than you see from the D2X. The Sony is the first and only P&S that uses a DSLR-size sensor.
Point and shoots have had more pixels than my D70 for a long time. That doesn't mean that any of the small sensor cameras comes close in image quality and ISO performance.
Here are the the relative areas of these megapixel counts. 10 megapixels looks fine to me...
Your illustration is actually invalid if I am looking at things correctly, comparing pixal count on a sensor.
What your illustration shows is an increase in area size, aka...larger sensor. It would be valid for printing output, but not for a sensor.
Since the sensor size is a constant you would actually just be putting more pixals in the same area space...thus increasing resolution.
In your example there would be no resolution differance, just a physical size differance. Your illustration is better suited as a comparison betwwen a full frame sensor at 12MP and a DX sensor at 12MP.
A more valid pixal/sensor count graphic would be a rectangle with a series of internal grid lines. The more MP, the more lines, the more definition.
My illustration is showing comparative print output at a given pixel pitch. It's a comparison of files. It's only a "sensor" comparison in the sense that it's showing the relative area you get with prints at 12, 10 and 6 megapixels. All the sensors in this case would of course be DX size. This is the business end of megapixels comparing the area you get in the file, not a sensor analysis.
What's "valid" depends on what you want to illustrate. The topic at hand is how large a print you can get compared to a medium format camera. If the D2X is close enough to medium format with 12 megapixels, the D200 is a relatively small step down at 10.
For your sensor analyis, dpreview has a nice graphic that accompanies the D2X review that shows the relatively small photosites (not pixels, pixels are image elements not a part of a sensor) the D2X has compared to a variety of other sensors. The D200 will have smaller photosites than the D70 and they'll be a little larger than those of the D2X.
In fact, the "definition" of the D2X comes at a cost. Few lenses are up to the resolution of the 12 megapixel DX sensor. The D200 may well prove to offer a better compromise of resolution in DX format - given the resolution of existing lenses - and it should provide better noise performance than a CMOS sensor. But we will need see the D200 tested to know just how "enlargeable" its files are compared to the D2X and other cameras. It's now a cliche, but still true; megapixels aren't everything. It'll be fun to see what Nikon has come up with in a brand new sensor.
I think it will be amazing camera with amazing price and great build and functionality body (as always)! so I cant wait to sell my D70s and buy what I exactly wanted!!! I also own F6 so jumping from one another will be very smooth! Thank you nikon!! and GO GO GO GO GO!
Ten mp is fine with me! And if that is what keeps the price below $2000 then I'm thrilled with it. If the price is as mentioned at the NikonDigital site ($1700) then I'm am truly pleased. The finder specs look great, alloy body sounds good. I personally like the pop-up flash. I guess the three big unknowns are 1) AF module. We seem to have an idea that it has 11 sensors but only one of them seems to be a cross type. We don't know anything about the motor. 2) MLU or mirror prefire. Surely it will have prefire at least. 3) Flash sync speed. I saw 1/250 which is fine. Hoping for 1/500.
If the price is $1700 then I will have a lot of forgiveness for all of the above. I'm sold on the camera if what we know is true. I really hope the price is as stated.
I probably won't have the cash until Feb '06 but chances are they won't be easily aquired before then anyway. If they do get in the pipeline quicker I'll probably give the credit card another big hit.
Overall, I'm thrilled. It sounds like we have a real winner here and will likely rival the 5D and even if it doesn't, it is going to sell like crazy!
Has what looks like an AF-assist light. All previous Nikons with one of these have had less than stellar AF modules. Is this a new mid-range module with the same number of sensors as the D2X but lower performance? (fewer X-type sensors, etc.)
Has a pop-up flash and what looks like a relatively small prism cover under it. All previous Nikons with one of these have had mediocre (relatively small and dim) viewfinder images.
These features suggest a worthy 2005 replacement for the D100 (and competitor to the 20D or its probable successor), but perhaps not the 'digital F100' that many had hoped for. Of course we'll have to wait for the launch to find out for sure...
All previous nikons with an AF-Assist light did not necessarily have less than stellar AF modules...the less than stellar AF modules generally occur in consumer grade cameras- and these cameras are the ones with pop-up flash units. Since pro-grade cameras have a separate speedlight with built-in AF-assist they lack a less effective on camera one.
>Has what looks like an AF-assist light. All previous Nikons >with one of these have had less than stellar AF modules.
I'm not sure what we can read into this. My preferred interpretation (i.e. guess) is that the AF-assist light is needed purely because the camera has a built-in flash and therefore needs to be able to focus in very low light, unlike the D2 series where AF-assist comes with the SB-600 or -800.
It might also be due to the fact that the supposed CAM1000 (still unconfirmed) will only have one cross-hair sensor but a wider set of single-axis sensors (a la 20D). The lack of cross-hairs even in a central array will impact the low-light focusing ability. I hope Nikon would at least throw in some sensors that are T shaped. An upgrade of the CAM900 with additional outer sensors would, admittedly, be a bit of a let-down.
I find it very hard to believe the CAM1000 rumor. Nikon just doesn't make/include things that would let you down. It has to have at least 3 cross sensors... too many people would be let down, and many might not buy it.
Every single one of their DSLR's have been a grand-slam homerun for what was expected/price/performance.
I hope Brian and Deckcadet are right, but I fear Armando might be. I've always felt that the relatively low performance of CAM900 in low light was a major reason for including the AF-assist light in cameras with this module - unlike CAM1300 (and presumably CAM2000), CAM900 needs all the help it can get in poor light (whether you're using the pop-up flash or not). Hopefully 'CAM1000' is more than just an 11-point CAM900 with a single X-sensor, but I'm not optimistic enough to bet money on it! Ditto for the viewfinder - hopefully they've managed to do a decent job, but the eyepiece design and small prism housing look very similar to those on the previous mid-range cameras. But perhaps (if we're lucky) the rumours of a high magnification, high coverage finder will pan out after all. Any time now...
I hope this is for real ! I also hope that I will be traveling this Christmas with my new D200. I am a D70 user and I like it a lot but I was tempted to buy the D2X, the price and the size stopped me. The D200 looks like it is not much bigger than the D70 which is great and to me it makes up for the lower pixel count than the D2X. Does anyone have an idea as to the weight? Close to the D70?
How large will a RAW file be? I am glad memory prices are dropping -- Bob
>The overall size of the D200 appears to be smaller than the D70!
There have been various attempts at scaling these images to show the relative size. The one that, in my view, is the most likely, shows the D200 as being larger than the D70, but considerably smaller than the D2. This version uses the size of the hot shoe as a common reference, which is more likely to be correct than using the (assumed) LCD screen dimensions.
>The site also shows the D200 with an attached battery pack.
That image is admitted to be photoshopped.
>Hopefully Nov 1 is the date.
Let's hope so - only 4 days more for speculation...
In comparing those photos with the D70, the distance from the lens mount to the top of the pentaprism seems greater and the top section of the body thicker. I hope this means a much better viewfinder. We'll all find out shortly.
I personally feel the opposite sentiments....with a metal body, pro style controls, 11 pt. AF, huge LCD, Vertical grip option likely, and the same metering as the D2X......it seems very much the digital F100... Size isn't important...and the shots ive seen comparing the two seem to indicate a similar in height/width but chunkier/more substantal D200. Don't know about depth though...may be thicker too. Our size estimates may be off too....top LCD/control style mirrors D2X. D70 vs. D100 is a matter of <5mm in physical dimensions, but the D100 has about 4 oz. extra weight....current estimates put the d200 at a few ounces beyond that....
I think the equation that yields D200=Digital F100 primarily includes metal body, big bright finder and _fast_ AF. We know about the body, we have some ideas about the VF, but we simply don't know much about the CAM 1000 AF module. If its just a few more sensors added to the the CAM 900 then it will not really be a digital F100 in my book. If the CAM 1000 has 11 focus areas _and_ a fast motor, then yes, we have a digital F100. We won't likely know the answer until the camera is in the hands of the reviewers.
Personally, the specs for the D200 look pretty darn good to me! My comment might have been different if the camera cost $2499, but if the actual retail price is as quoted, the D200 seems to be a great option for anyone who wanted more megapixels than the D100, D70, or D50 offered. If any of the rumors of a better viewfinder are true, the camera would be even more attractive as a purchase choice.
I agree... at $1699, what else could you honestly ask for? I think the 10MP was intentional for two reasons.
1) Even thought the D100 had more MP than the D1X, these are different times. I expect this was done intentionally so as minimize losses on the D2X sales front (there has to be a better way to say that ).
2) I think they will have better noise control with the CCD. I don't think it will match the D2X in many other areas (speed, color, white-balance), but NOISE will be a strong selling point for the prosumer market.