Missing so far off this model are mirror lockup during picture taking, the vibration of the D70 was just horrible (basically useless) for macro photography, and i beleive it is only a CAM 1000 only marginalble better autofocus speed than the D70 which is a CAM 900. The F100 film camera that is now how old i beleive is a CAM 1300 and is noticeable faster than the D70 when you go back to it despite published reports (yes even with AF-S). Hopefully, PLEASE!, i am wrong on these 2 counts (please tell me i am wrong!). If i am not wrong then it would seem that the Canon 20D (which is faster AF than the D70 and it would seem the D200 and has a great mirror lockup which seems missing again from the D200) still would be the better camera as 2 megapixels isnt much difference as we all know in the digital world.
>Hopefully, PLEASE!, i am wrong >on these 2 counts (please tell me i am wrong!).
OK - you are wrong
The D200 does have a mirror lock-up facility for use during shooting. Also, reliable reports I have seen say that the D200 AF is actually faster than the F100. There is much more to AF performance than the total area of the AF sensors!
just wondering where you received the info on the mirror lockup as i got mine directly from nikon usa last week after reading all the info provided and emailing their customer support, they told me it want included at this time, talk about deflating my planned purchase!
I don't know why you would say the D70 is useless for macro shots. I take hundreds of macro shots of coins using a copy stand and get extremely fine detail. Using it hand held with a 60 or 105mm macro lens I've never had a problem with mirror slap causing a loss of detail.
i do mainly nature photography, i dont have the control you have and am at the different shutter speeds and apertures constantly to control background depth of field etc, compared to the older mechanical bodies that i still use for slide film the testing that i and several others did with several shutter combinations with the 105 macro alone, and with the 2x teleconvertor and with an extension tubes and also using an 80-200 af-s with canons 500d close up adaptor (for long uphill hikes in the mountains when saving camera bag space) with out going into detail there was was no comparision between the D70 and those bodies. remember when in the field i hit all types of shutter speeds and often use the 80- 200 with the 500d while on long hikes which was horrible with the d70, with mirror lockup there is no problem at any shutter speed
ha ha! actually with 2 kids in college i figured it was time to go totally digital and give my beloved velvia slides (upwards of 200 or more rolls a year does get expensive) for the cost savings, but the limitations of the 6mg D70 with no mirror lock up and the enlargment restriction had me looking seriously looking at the 8meg canon 20D and then the announcement of the D200 came out so i emailed nikon and couldnt beleive the no mirror lockup response as i figured this to be a cost reasonable high enough megapixel body to make me give up slides. luckily it has what i want.
Perhaps this is a subtlety, but I believe mirror lockup cannot be used with the self-timer, since they are two separate shooting modes. This was pointed out as a possible issue for some photographers in a review I read.
Correct. Assuming it is the same MLU system as the D2x (and it looks as though it is from the stuff I've read), you have two options using MLU: 1. Using the remote lead, first click locks up the mirror, second fires the shutter and returns the mirror 2. Just press the shutter button once (or remote button, but there's no need) to lock up the mirror and wait; the shutter fires and the mirror returns automatically after 30 seconds.
In other words, the second option is, in effect, a 30 second self timer with the mirror up at the beginning of the timing as opposed to immediately before the shot. 30 seconds isn't long to wait for a single shot, but it is VERY irritating when taking a series, making the cable an expensive bit of wire, but worth every peny in terms of preserving sanity!!!
>Missing so far off this model are mirror lockup during >picture taking, the vibration of the D70 was just horrible >(basically useless) for macro photography, and i beleive it >is only a CAM 1000 only marginalble better autofocus speed >than the D70 which is a CAM 900. The F100 film camera that >is now how old i beleive is a CAM 1300 and is noticeable >faster than the D70 when you go back to it despite published >reports (yes even with AF-S). Hopefully, PLEASE!, i am wrong >on these 2 counts (please tell me i am wrong!). If i am not >wrong then it would seem that the Canon 20D (which is faster >AF than the D70 and it would seem the D200 and has a great >mirror lockup which seems missing again from the D200) still >would be the better camera as 2 megapixels isnt much >difference as we all know in the digital world.
1.) The D200 has Mirror lockup. 2.) The D70 is capable of wonderful macro work, I've seen it and done it myself. 3.) The D200 is CAM 1300, a new design, and no one really knows how well it will work, yet. 4.)The Canon 20D is much faster focus than the D70, and about 50% LESS ACCURATE. (I shot 20,000 frames worth of 20D shots before switching. I LOVE the D70 focusing in comparison.) 5.) The 20D has mirror Lock up, but no grid screen or spot meter. Compromises, compromises. 6.) The D200 HAS mirror lockup, +2MP, a grid screen, AND a spot meter. If it focuses as fast as the 20D with the accuracy of the D70, who in their right mind has anything to complain about? 7.) In my experience, the D70 IQ is better than the 20D IQ. If the same holds true, then the D200 IQ might well surpass the 5D IQ, and we already know the D200 surpasses the 5D in terms of pixel density, better edge sharpness and less corner vignetting, and all for almost 50% the price.
My only complaint is that if I don't get one of the first D200's out because the camera shop where I pre-ordered it is as incompetant as usual, I probably won't get one until 2009 because of the back-orders!
I too am only worried about autofocus speed. In my opinion, its the only thing that would stop me from getting this camera. I also am really confused. 1/250 flash sync? Cmon, the d70 has 1/500! There has to be a reason these companies aren't putting it into their cameras. Is it an engineering thing? Can someone explain?
Without going into details, the D70 uses an electronic shutter and the D200 uses a mechanical shutter.
For decades of film use you never saw a camera synch at faster than 1/250th. Even this was a very fast synch speed.
The D200 uses this mechanical shutter, thus limiting the synch speed. Nikon did this for various reasons, I won't speculate why. Suffice it to say that there were some issues with artifacts at high shutter speeds on the D70.
There is a thread somewhere in here that explains better than I can how the mechanical shutter differs from the electronic.
From what I've read, the mechanical shutter in the D70 is fairly slow, but higher shutter speeds are achieved by electronically shutting off the CCD sensor at the appropriate time. I believe this is a feature of CCD sensors that you can't get in CMOS sensors (but don't hold me to that).
Certainly, anyone with an SB-800 or SB-600 should be able to take advantage of FP flash sync. I do it all the time with my D2X, and it works. For something like macro, the reduced flash output is a moot point.
I've got two C3's. They were my grandfather's. They were my first cameras as well. One of the still works. Not the best cameras in the world, but mine has a beautiful set of West German stainless steel lenses that still look and feel like new.
hey thanks for your help, the problem for most of us is we can only BUY one camera at a time and rely on reviews in mags or sites such as sports shooters.com. most mags seeem reluctant (advertising reason?) to rate cameras hed ro head against each other besides just giving a list of features. i do know from moving from thr F100 doing sports at the college at high school level to the D70 that when using strictly Af and using the camera do the work (an experiment) the D70 did drop in up to 20% of in focus shots depending on the sport. from my own macro experience, like i said noth so much the 105 macro, but when cutting back on equipment on long uphill hikes and using the canon 500d on the end of the 80-200 2.8 with the FE2, now the 70-200 2.8 with D70. since i dont like the look of flash for most macro work and like the totally out of focus background i end up right around the mirror slap nightmare shutter speeds of 1/8 or so a lot, thats where the d70 failed miserably compared to the FE2 80-200 with self timer mirror lockup.
What I have found in cameras, cars, watches, etc. is that if you're not happy about it BEFORE you buy it, you'll NEVER be happy with it afterwards. You'll pick at it forever. My wife did that with a brand new car.