I have heard countless number of people longing for the D400. I wonder what would constitute the D400? If it means that a camera with the model number D400 from Nikon then I think it won't happen as Nikon has changed their model naming convention.
#1. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 0rrheck Registered since 16th Feb 2014Thu 26-Jun-14 11:29 PM
The D400 was supposed to be the replacement for the D300... D300s..... D400 series basically the next upgrade in the high end DX series. However nikon came out with the 7100 upgrade which is basically a DX version of the D600 /610.
#2. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 1torwood Nikonian since 06th Dec 2010Tue 01-Jul-14 03:46 PM
The introduction of the new D810 does little to make us believe that the next new DX release will be a D300 form factor body. In fact, I think D300 users just got their "D400" in the form of the D810. It's got the "pro" controls they're looking for. It's got 5+ FPS in DX mode at 15.5MP, which is enough for sports, unless you're selling to SI. It's got FX ISO performance, and D4s processors and AF module. Oh, and BTW, it can also be used as a 36MP FX body,...in a pinch, of course.
That said, it costs $3,300 at introduction (and probably for a year or more), so all this performance doesn't come cheap. But, seriously, other than a lower price, what could a "D400" offer that would make it a compelling alternative to the D810? And don't say 9FPS. If that were possible, the D810 would probably be able to do it in DX or one of the other crop modes.
If the D7100 didn't signal the end of the road for the D100/D200/D300 series, then I think this D810 did. I'm guessing that the D9300 will be an even more feature and performance packed DX body with D7100-like form factor and pricing. But, like everyone else, I'm just guessing.
Visit my Nikonians gallery.
#3. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 2nrothschild Registered since 25th Jul 2004Tue 01-Jul-14 04:13 PM
>But, seriously, other than a lower price, what could a
>"D400" offer that would make it a compelling
>alternative to the D810? And don't say 9FPS. If that were
>possible, the D810 would probably be able to do it in DX or
>one of the other crop modes.
Most people that want a D300 upgrade want either a very high frame rate (8fps would keep them even with what they have) or a very high sensor density. Some want both, which is somewhat mutually exclusive but that's a bar that is coming down over time.
The D810, in terms of frame rate and sensor density, is basically a D7000. Yes, it is more than a D7000 in other ways but in terms of those two features it is basically a D7000.
The D810 and D4s both move about 176-180 mpx/s to the buffer. So a 7 fps 24 mpx sensor could be done. Why Nikon did not do that in DX mode on the D800 and D810 is a mystery to me, because it would have brought a lot of additional shooters into the D8xx cameras. But that this point I don't think it is technical limits, it is more of a marketing decision.
As a birder, watching the output from the D7100 from others, it is clear to me what 24 mpx has done for birding. Every birder that shoots the D7100 is happy with the image quality. It is just the shallow buffer, lack of AF-ON button, and for some the frame rate that holds them back.
The D810 is still a huge compromise for those wanting a D300 upgrade, and it comes at probably 2x the cost of what those people really want. And it will probably never be solved with FX, because of that mutually incompatible need for sensor density and speed.
my Nikonians gallery.
#4. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 0
A “D400” (the name is irrelevant) would be...
A body and controls of the D800 – 10 pin connector, AF-ON & AE-AL buttons
DX sensor with 24MP
Frame rate of 7 FPS with 8 FPS available with the grip
(many would be happy with 6FPS standard & 8FPS with grip like the original D300)
Buffer depth of about 20 shots or more.
(the D300 get between 17 and 21 depending on the write speed of the CF card)
Same AF system used in the D4s / D810
The D810 come pretty close and for many will fill the need.
You can shoot at 6FPS in the (24MP) 1.2 crop mode.
The super deep buffer makes up for the one less FPS for my needs.
Controls and handling are very much like the D300
#5. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 4nrothschild Registered since 25th Jul 2004Tue 01-Jul-14 08:34 PM
>> (many would be happy with 6FP & 7FPS with grip like the original D300)
The original D300 does get 8fps with the grip. I only mention this because that is what those shooters need to stay even in that department, and why 8 fps is usually mentioned.
my Nikonians gallery.
#6. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 5Tue 01-Jul-14 09:14 PM
Thanks all! I think I get the idea. The D400 should be almost as fast as the D4/D4s and has just about as big a buffer. May be not too many MP just about the same as the D4. High ISO performance isn't as good as the D4s but close. The body isn't as well built as the D4 but better than the D7100. Price is somewhat less than $2000 mark. Basically a less expensive than the D4 optimized for high speed action.
#7. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 6JosephK Nikonian since 17th Apr 2006Tue 01-Jul-14 09:25 PM
You might be over estimating things, not that we are all just speculating. Think of the D400/D9300 as a pro-body D300 with the D7100 sensor, large buffer, and the DX version of the D4's AF module.
Seattle, WA, USA
D700, D200, D70S, 24-70mm f/2.8, VR 70-200mm f/2.8 II, TC20e3,
50mm f/1.4 D, 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 VR, 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX
#9. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 8Shy Talk Nikonian since 12th Jun 2010Fri 04-Jul-14 12:22 AM
Really all nikon needs to do is repackage the D7100 a little.
Put it in a pro casing.
Add the AF-ON button.
Use the 'pro' controls.
Maybe add the latest AF module, and EXSPEED 4 processing engine....
Maybe the big rear screen from the D810?
And we're done!
It all sounds very possible......
my webpage is at http://www.scottishops.co.uk
my Nikonians gallery is here. https://images.nikonians.org/galleries/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/330319
Visit my Nikonians gallery.
#11. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 4
>A “D400” (the name is irrelevant) would be...
You're right the D400 name is just a name because we all don't know what the D300 upgrade would actually be named. I keep wishing that Nikon would give us a true upgrade to the D300. I would also like an upgrade to the D700, but that's a whole different discussion.
The feature I miss the most from DX is the focus points covers more of the viewfinder instead of being in the center like FX.
#13. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 12Tue 29-Jul-14 10:57 PM
Would you buy the K-3 as the D300 replacement? Provided of course Nikon would change the K mount into the F mount and changed the logo from Pentax to Nikon also changed the Made in the Phillipines to Made in Thailand.
#14. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 13NikonFArthur Registered since 28th Jul 2014Thu 31-Jul-14 01:52 PM
Amazing how long this discussion has been going on, and recycled, etc. The fact of the matter is, I still doubt we are going to see a D400. What Nikon seems to be doing now is to try to sell through what it has of D300S's, and then drop it. The fact is, there has been nothing to indicate a D400 is imminent.
#15. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 14
#16. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 15no57 Nikonian since 26th Feb 2004Sun 03-Aug-14 05:53 PM
>I truly believe a D400 is actually spelled, D-8-0-0 or now,
I wish it was that simple ... The first difference is that the D300 is DX and the D810 is FX, and that entails a number of subtle and not so subtle differences. Viewfinder, frame rate, 1.5x multiplier, etc.
>As much as it would be great to see one, it's probably time to
>drive a stake in the D400 rumor mill.
Difficult to do without also driving a stake into Nikon's heart. You don't want that to happen.
#17. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 16Tue 05-Aug-14 03:14 PM | edited Tue 05-Aug-14 03:17 PM by Lunastar
Well, you can shoot the D800 at 15MPX in DX crop at 6 FPS-the native D300 frame rate. I believe the D810 can do 1 FPS faster. Better low light capability, too. And, you can always shoot it FF when the action is closer. The D800/810 is also miles ahead in AF. I get far more keepers at 5 FPS with the D800 than 8 FPS (AA's in grip) with a D300.
Just sayin'....... I think Nikon sees this as a viable alternative (it is) to the now mythical D400.
Now, if they make a D7200 with a bit better buffer and frame rate that would sell very well with diehard DX fans.
#19. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 17no57 Nikonian since 26th Feb 2004Tue 05-Aug-14 06:02 PM
>Well, you can shoot the D800 at 15MPX in DX crop at 6 FPS-the
>native D300 frame rate. I believe the D810 can do 1 FPS
>faster. Better low light capability, too. And, you can always
>shoot it FF when the action is closer. The D800/810 is also
>miles ahead in AF. I get far more keepers at 5 FPS with the
>D800 than 8 FPS (AA's in grip) with a D300.
>Just sayin'....... I think Nikon sees this as a viable
>alternative (it is) to the now mythical D400.
It all depends on your usage. Just because you are happy with what you do with the D8xx does not mean everybody wants to use an FX viewfinder in DX mode.
If all you shoot is wide-angle to medium telephoto, maybe. DX mode is a crutch for long term usage. Now, if the price of the long exotics come down so that one can afford a 300/2.8 in the same ballbark as a 70-200/2.8, maybe it will be worth migrating to FX. Otherwise they just open the door to brand migration too.Show me the sale numbers. Looking at Nikon's bottom line and unit sales, it ain't there. People are grudgingly buying FX just because the DX upgrade is not there, and you end up paying more as you will inevitably buy longer FX lenses. And don't tell me you can buy an f/4 long lens, why would I pay way more for an FX body and gain a stop, if I have to increase the ISO because I give up a stop with a long lens?
>Now, if they make a D7200 with a bit better buffer and frame
>rate that would sell very well with diehard DX fans.
And if they change the ergonomics so they match the pro bodies, certainly more than the D810.
#18. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 0
Right now the d400 is a unicorn, a mithycal camera figure.
Camera manufacturers have been very conservative in regard of this semi pro body dx sensor category.
By looking a the 7D from rival canon, which would be a direct competidor, it is long in the tooth and equally fuel to rumor fire as the d400 is.
If they decide to release one, it should be one hell of a camera, as current dx lineup is showing great capabilities, and rival canon 7d offering is quite nice camera.
#20. "RE: What is a D400?" | In response to Reply # 18Wed 06-Aug-14 02:22 AM
Hey, I was reluctant to switch to FX. But, I was darn glad I did! I use the D800 almost exclusively with a Nikor 300/2.8 and a 200-400/4 lenses w/and w/o 14 and 17 TC's for my main photographic interest-wildlife. As do many other Nikonians who made the switch from D300's to 800's and 810's.
Don't try one...unless you're prepared to buy one-they are amazing cameras!