I must say I do prefer the color of the D200 over the D7000, try as I may I just dont like the color from the D7000...they all seem to have a magenta cast indoors and seem very cool for outside . Even using an expodisc they just seem off. The D200 always seemed to nail it...anyone else have a similar feeling ?
You are not alone, I do not have a D7000, but I purchased a D5100 and returned it after comparing the metering performance, I was not happy at all with the exposures I was getting, my D200 and D300 are near perfect, I hope the new generation of nikon sensor/metering do not continue with the semi pro and pro replacements.
I could not edit so I need to reply to my own reply, after spending some time learning how to configure my D7000 to my liking I have to say that it is an incredible camera. Our family went to Times square in NYC and I took over 500 pictures( indoor with flash/no flash and the mb-d11 with an el-en15 and used only 25% of the battery the low light performance is truly incredible out in the streets at night, my only learning curve was flash exposure and auto iso, so I just created a profile to use for indoor/outdoor flash and make my adjustments in th U1 profile for flash and iso, which I was not able to do with the D5100, live view worked great for my son when I wanted to get into the pictures, he found it easy to use and the pictures cam out crisp and in focus. That's all I have for now, just wanted to share the great experience. Thanks all, Joe
I have enjoyed my D200 very much since purchasing it in 2007 but am salivating over the prospect of having a D600 one day when things aren't so tight. I find the color to be pretty good and I use an Expo disc to try to get the right white balance for each situation. I'll tell you one other thing I really like is running my RAW images through DXO 8 before reviewing in Photoshop. I can do so many little things within DXO that unless I want to do something really creative within Photoshop, I just add a little sharpening to the resized image/canvas and save it as a JPEG for show 'n tell. Here's to the D200 !
Folks who are not familiar with Nikon Picture Controls (meaning you and anyone else with a pre-D3/D300 camera) often have challenges getting WB and color to show up correctly. Search for Picture Controls in our forums and you'll find quite a few useful posts regarding how to optimize this for your workflow.
I tend to set as Neutral and Contrast a setting as possible in Picture Controls, this is exactly the same approach I had with the D70 and the D200; but my workflow adds color punch and contrast back in post-process. This will not work for folks who rely more on OOC JPEGs or minimal post.
I had both a D80 and D200, essentially the same IQ. In both cases I thought the JPEGs were horrid, RAW ok with ACR but outstanding when processed with Capture NX. I now use a D300S which has a vastly improved JPEG engine which is rendered meaningless by Lightroom.
I've also found auto WB to be more accurate than the WB presets though a Whibal gives me the best results.
Glad you started this thread. Yep, I own both, infact on our 4th D200. I would suspect that a bit of a fiddle with the Nikon Photo Controls in the D7000 would move color and casts in the direction you like.
The D200 system is a bit simpler, and surprise, surprise, that is why I rather prefer it. Given I add a little saturation when the images are loaded in to Aperture 3 I guess the D200 is probably not as saturated to begin with and it could be what you are seeing. (although that doesn't explain the Magenta casts in he D7000.)
But I love the D200's: Handling. It is a bit bigger for my old hands. I don't use battery pack, but L bracket for vertical shooting. One less thing to get in the way. I love the AF button on the back, it sits where my thumb is. The pretend one on the D7000 makes my hand ache. I love the Mode switch being a button press, the dial on the D7000 always seems to have a mind of its own and moves about. (I tape it down). I love all the focus modes on the D200 and find it to be more consistently accurate for my type of work. Image quality on customer prints to 30" are for all intents and purposes the same. I love that it doesn't do video, if I want that, I use a video camera. Horses for courses me thinks. Find I can use 800ISO and Nik Define 2 for lower light conditions. (used to shoot basketball)
And finally I just love the camera period. Owned a D300s for awhile, but couldn't find any advantages in our work.
Bit gushy I suppose, but the camera works for us.
.. I set out to discover the inventions of God. -John Muir
Part of the question is around whether you are observing a problem resulting form camera settings or post processing settings. If you are shooting RAW, the post processing settings are important. And the "formula " used with a D200 might not be the same as the "formula" required with a D7000. Even the Neutral or Standard settings are different.
If you are using Picture Control settings, Nikon software (View and Capture) does the best job at replicating the JPEG and allowing adjustments to the Picture Control settings. Other products may accurately replicate the settings, or provide their own variations for better or worse.
Normally a magenta tint would be related to white balance. That could be related to camera settings if you use them, or post processing settings if you go that route. Just don't assume the post processing settings for one camera will automatically work the same when applied to images from the D7000.
The D7000 has an improved image processing engine (the Expeed 3) and improves both color rendition and dynamic range compared to the D200. That might not be important to your taste. DXO has further details if you are interested.
One thing that I was pondering over this, is the setting of the Auto White Balance. On the D7000, it is a bit of menu push, but you might like to check just to be sure. In the top lcd, the WB might have a * alongside it indicating that you have purposefully, or inadvertently added some color shift to the white balance setting.
This happens to me occasionally, as I might change for say fluoro (always a bit green so I might top it up with some magenta,) or perhaps add some extra yellow to make my sunsets glow.
Menu>White Balance>Auto>Auto1Normal> gets you to the little color spread chart and you can see if you have something else other than A-B 0 G M 0 BTW, Auto>Auto1Normal> will depend on what you have white balance set to. I just use it as the example. All others by pressing the Right fourway dial will get you there.
Now, you probably know all this already, and if so I apologise. Just in the heat of great creativity, its possible to go one button press to many and then not remember how.
Love that D200
.. I set out to discover the inventions of God. -John Muir
Sry been away for a few. I am a Pro shooter and a lot of my work is with a MFDB so I am using a "color managed" raw workflow and I am familiar with x-rite passport colorchecker,color temp, grey cards, mixed lighting scenes etc. For smaller jobs I use the D200 or D7000, in regard to earlier comments or questions......
1) Calibrated monitors
2) Raw workflow
3) I am well versed in Picture Control and it has helped somewhat - what I would really like is the D2X mode picture controls to work with the D7000 but it does not appear to work (Am I missing something? ).
4) I have used the WB "Color Chart" (where the * appears next to WB)
5) I have used color cards, grey cards, expo disk etc setting white balance....colors from MY D7000 are not accurate - I shoot a lot of interiors and nearly all have a magenta cast, On outside sunny days Auto WB or Manual it is consistently cool.
6)Created custom camera profiles with x-rite passport color checker
I can get a good file out of the D7000 most of the time but the colors always seem off out of camera to me where the D200 seems to me spot on in the same situations every time.
Anyone know how to get the D2Xmode Picture control working on a d7000? Perhaps I am doing it wrong, although I can create and load my own without trouble.
I do appreciate all the responses to the post...I just wanted to give a little more back ground of my situation and be more specific on what i have tried so far. I have rented a D3X and D700 before for short jobs and never had the color cast I am seeing...Is it possible there is a problem with the color metering on my D7000 ? is it something Nikon can check and calibrate ? or...... Is it possible I am just an overly critical, nit picky and obsessed photographer ? LOL
I hope a reply from me (just an average joe) doesn't spoil your thunder.
I've been using a D7000 for a good year now. I picked up a used D200 a little while ago to use for my outdoors/hikes etc - my don't care if I bang it around a little bit camera.
Well... I like the feel and controls of the D200 better. So much so, I've bought a used D300 as well. I love the way D200/D300 implements bracketing vs. the D7000. I don't care about movies on a DSLR. I have good glass. My leaning right now is I am getting great results with the D200 and D300, and I might sell the D7000. Haven't totally decided yet, but that's the way I'm thinking.
Nope - I sold the 7000 and got a D2Xs. I had tried Expo disc,Grey Cards,camera profiles, x-rite color checker and last resort I sent it back to NIKON for "Calibration". Maybe I had a bad copy or something but it just sucked for color accuracy in any situation. Had absolutely no problems with the D2Xs so that is what I use now along with the D200's. Maybe it was just my taste - plenty of people love thier D7000's...
i have thought about selling my D200 but like everyone else says, there is just something good about that old CCD sensor & the colours it renders. my Mrs is the same with her D40x, she loves the colours & wont part with it even though she hasn't used it since i got her a D90.
i went from D200 to D2XS as well & i think the D2XS grabs more detail but the D200 colours seem Punchier (if that makes any sense?) most people find the limited dynamic range of the D2x's frustrating but i'm going to keep mine. i have made the step to FX with a D3 but i have yet to get out & about with it so far
Sat 26-Jan-13 09:17 AM | edited Sat 26-Jan-13 09:23 AM by William Symonds
LOL but hardly a valid comparison - I'd wager many D200 owners now shoot, or will shoot, a D600.
The D600 is the closest equivalent, in marketing terms to where the D200 was 6-7 years ago (in that it offers image quality & sensor size almost at the level of the highest pro bodies in a compact package).
In addition it is not unlikely that images from the new D400/D7100 or whatever will have similar qualities to the D600.
>LOL but hardly a valid comparison - I'd wager many D200 >owners now shoot, or will shoot, a D600.
Except the D600 has a fatal flaw in my eyes: it is FF and that is not what I am looking for. So for now I grit my teeth and shoot my D200 at ISO 1600 in extreme low light conditions, compensate as best I can in post.
And yes, I did borrow a D7000 from a relative, but stil do not want one for myself, focus in low light fails while even the old D200 manages to focus.
If either D600 or D7000 work for you, good for you
I dont own either but will say I feel your pain-I love my D700 image color/quality tons compared to the D4! Maybe Nikons "Advances" will take awhile to get used to??? Art is the only way to run away without leaving home.
If I had the money,I would ditch my D200 fast for a D4,as it was lack of money that I bought the D200. I guess when the D4 hits D200 price territory then I will buy one(probably 20 years from now or if someone takes pity on me and lets me have theirs,or I win a contest).
>If I had the money,I would ditch my D200 fast for a D4,as it >was lack of money that I bought the D200. I guess when the D4 >hits D200 price territory then I will buy one(probably 20 >years from now or if someone takes pity on me and lets me have >theirs,or I win a contest).
I bought my D200 a short time after announcement, for Can$2100. The D300 came out at the same price shortly after. The D4 came out in the same price range as the D3, the D800 came out at about the same price as the D700. So I expect "a D400" to be about Can$2100.
I really don't think there will be a D400,but I could be wrong. I am a believer in having stuff that is just about new,but as usual not having the funds to buy what I want is always in the way. So I am keeping up with the 2nd and 3rd hands Jones family and envying the Jones who gets all the toys they can play with.