Tue 04-Aug-09 06:02 AM | edited Tue 04-Aug-09 06:03 AM by mfaccone
I have a D300 and I just can't afford to update anything at the moment. A friend of mine has both the D300 and D90 and has talked about trading in both for the updated D300s. His reason is that since Nikon has basically merged the two together, he might as well upgrade while his bodies are still worth something and only have one body to carry around.
As a D300 owner I'm pretty sure I'm low down on Nikon's target market for the D300s. Adding the SD slot makes it clear that they want to add upgrade paths from SD cameras as well as CF into the D300 (and presumably subsequent models in this product line). The feature jump alone over the D300, especially in the current financial climate, would mean any additional sales to D300 owners would be a bonus IMHO...
No - video capability is something that came out of the blue with the D90 (well, I didn't see it coming, anyway) so it wasn't a new feature that I was just sitting around waiting for . . .
Incidentally: when the D70s came out, there was a firmware upgrade for the D70 that was released about the same time and which brought it in line with the D70 in a number of features - any word on something similar for the D300?
I own a D300 and just purchased a second one. The video on the D300s doesn't attract me. If I upgrade it will be either to a D700 or a D3, and either of those is at least 18 months, if not several years, away. So, no, the D300s is not for me.
This poll is stilted in as much as this isn't an open forum...so D40/50/60 users who aren't paying nikonians won't be represented, and they're likely the largest part of those who'll ultimately get a D300s (though a small number of that respective group).
Of course there's little point in moving D300->D300s, but as a D90 owner already lusting after a D300 or D700, the D300s makes some kind of sense to me. What I really want is a D700 with 1080p24 video though.
Having acquired my D300 only a few months ago, there is no way that I would be considering any sort of "upgrade" in the near future.
In any case, I see nothing about the D300S that would make me open my wallet. Video means nothing to me, the dual card slots are nice but not a priority and the extra 1fps is irrelevant to my style of shooting.
When FX sensors reach a more affordable level I will probably move in that direction but I can't imagine a DX body that can offer me substantially more than the D300 already does.
I have a D70s and a D200, and want a D700, so I said no upgrade on the survey. That said, if reviews of the D300s show the sensor got a tune up, it may persuade me to buy. If it is just a D300 with video...
Some possible improvements over the D300. £370ish premium on a D300 is stopping me currently. I'm still using a D200 and a D2h - jolly good cameras. Expect the D300s will be a good camera and at times I'll be tempted to buy one. Gordon Brown will come on the tele and I'll then leave the money under the mattress - not that there is nearly enough under there anyway. Think the mice have eaten my hard earned cheese
Horizon level is only avail. in live view from what I understand. It would be a selling point if it were in the viewer hand held. I have a level on my tripod and a bubble in my hot shoe if I want level horizon.
I plan to upgrade this fall...about November. Since I have a used D200 (which by the way is giving me the fits with problems....) I want to buy a newer camera. I will get about $3000 for high school soccer coaching. I was hoping to get a good "sports" camera and some fast glass. I was looking at a D300 and the 70-200 f2.8 which would be just about in that area...(I can suppliment with my job pay).
So what would be the better camera - The D300 or the 300s?
I shoot football under terrible light conditions...and basketball also under terrible inner-city lit gyms.
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I use my D300 for indoor sports. It's not as good as a friends D700 for high ISO shooting. But it's not bad. You must need some fast, sharp glass.
For volleyball, I've had the best success with my little Nikon 55mm 1.8. My 105mm 2.8 is often a bit too tele when I'm sitting on the side of the court shooting. If I had an 85mm 1.4, I'd probably use that. But I've been real pleased with my D300 and 55mm 1.8.
They will have to put some more things better on the D-300s before I go there. I really at this point won't be doing any videos with it while I'm trying to shoot a wedding or something like that. I own 2-D-300 now and love them just the way they are. 1 is for my 16-85mm vr lens and the other for 70-200mm vr , so I don't have to switch at a wedding back and forth. Harold
A bit off topic now, but I couldn't help it - sorrry!
I use my D300 for indoor dance competitions in terrible spot lighting. I previously used a 50mm 1.8 and a 85mm 1.8, but the 85 was a bit too long on the near side of the court, and both were far too short when the action was on the other side. Cropping images from the 85 was not a too good option, and there was no way with fast discojazz action that I would be able to change lenses.
I ended up with a Sigma HSM 50-150 II 2.8, which, apart from the 1-stop worse aperture, suits this shooting style perfectly.
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If I want video I'll by a video camera... I'm more than happy with my D300. For me the only plus point of the D300s > perhaps the D300 price will drop significantly and I'll be able to get another body or two to expand my kit & avoid changing lenses on location!
Got a wonderful D300 second-hand in Feb (still can't believe my luck), and I can see no reason to upgrade. "Upgrade", for me, would be in the direction of D3/D700 (not D3x, I need lowlight capabilities, not 20+MP!).
Nice poll, BTW!
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I've got a D200 and a D300. The D200 sees a lot of use as it's my "take everywhere camera". The more I use it the better results I get. The D300 is a wonderful camera and serves me very well. I feel comfortable having two bodies and I intend to buy only if one of the current cameras fails. The D200 approaches the 50'000 actuations and shows no signs of age. I'll possibly stay with DX for now. So next camera could be a D300s or whatever comes next.
Wed 05-Aug-09 05:32 PM | edited Thu 06-Aug-09 03:21 AM by MEMcD
I will not be "upgrading" if you can call it that! I have no interest in video. I would think the high ISO noise might be slightly improved and slightly more dynamic range than the D300 but not enough to make a lot of difference. At least to me. Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!
The D300s looks like a very nice camera indeed. If I owned a "lesser" model like the D80 or D200 and was planning on upgrading, this would certainly be the clincher. Alas, I own a D300 (no video) and am so pleased with it that I feel no need to change anything. However, I look forward to having some effective video capabilities on the next body I purchase, maybe in a couple of years.
>Is Nikonians.org prepared to accommodate video clips in the Galleries?
I sincerely doubt it. The level of server load required to support ordinary video clips would be several orders of magnitude higher than that required for Nikonians as it is and HD clips would be at least 1 or even 2 orders of magnitude higher again.
Personnally if Nikonians were to include a video are it would make more sense to work with an existing video community such as Vimeo which allows premium members to embed links to files hosted on the Vimeo servers. Adding video capabilty here could be a level of grief I doubt Bo and JRP would be prepared to shoulder.
IMHO a cinematogrpaher and photographer are 2 different animals as is their equipment. For me video in my D300 only adds a layer of confusion I can do without. Most time from what I see at this level video = home movies. (return to the 70's) So let someone else run around the Christmas tree and grandkids birthdays with one of those neat little C*n*n HD thingys.
IMHO the photographer and cinematographer are more or less the same beast. Light, Camera, Action! The only diffeerence is how much time elapses during exposures, between frames, and how many frames are shown in a sequence. Still frames will of course always be appreciated, but short video clips will be increasingly popular in modern media. The equipment is merely just that, equipment. If we are now presented with a device that captures HD video with stero sound, with the added luxury that it can be done through Nikkor lenses, then I think that if I was out to make a short film I would seriously consider a Nikon D300s as my working tool.
Beg to differ Justin, in the days that I shot movies my total approach to a subject was vastly different in both planning and execution from that of a "stills" photographer.
Briefly the photographer is required to arrange all elements of his shot to tell a story in one frame. A cinematographer has a totally different brief as his story needs a beginning a middle and an end. The only video benefit in the D300, as you point out, is in grabbing short video clips to incorporate in say a ProShow presentation or the like. Serious movie making, I think not.
But hey we could develop this discusion well into the night over a bottle of red or two!
I'm still debating whether to buy a D300s or wait for the D400... I run a site which watches the news and rumours surrounding the Nikon D400, www.nikond400news.com, and I'd hate to give in and buy a D300S, but the video recording was the main feature I was waiting for and the D300 is IMO an excellent camera and has taken great shots every time I've managed to use one. Buying both will be out of the questions, but I'm still unsure of whether or not to just go ahead and buy the D300s...
More peope will need to buy a new Nikon. This was in today's paper:
Nikon Corp., the world's second-biggest maker of single=lens reflex cameras, forecast a record annual loss. The net loss probably will be $295 mllion in the year ending March 2010, Tokyo based Nikon said Wednesday.
>More peope will need to buy a new Nikon. This was in today's >paper: > > > >Nikon Corp., the world's second-biggest maker of single=lens >reflex cameras, forecast a record annual loss. The net loss >probably will be $295 mllion in the year ending March 2010, >Tokyo based Nikon said Wednesday. > And why are they raising their prices of Nikon glasses?
Upgrading just for video isn't worth it for me, especially as I use my D300 as a second body. I'll just wait until video makes it in to the D4 or whatever comes out next, as I'm that is what will no doubt happen.
I've just come over from Pentax, having used Pentax 35mm slrs for 28 years, and the same discussions take place on their fora about whether to stick with their K20D or upgrade to the new video enabled K7...I am sure Canon people have the same discussions...nothing changes except the badge on the pentaprism. It is easy to get sucked into the marketing which is what the manufacturers want...we must buy the camera which is most suitable for us in terms of features, price etc. nothing else matters...in fact reading forums like this can stir up the fear of loss even more
No way, I just purchased a D700 to go with my D300, I need to focus and master these two beast, and do not need to add video in the mix. Of course the D300 value will depreciate,faster when the D300s hits the streets but that's okay, I am a photographer, not a short clip filmmaker. I think Nikon goofed on this, and I think the following improvement could improve and changed my perspective; the option of 1.5 and 2X magnification, a module that could convert the CLS to radio freqencies, the same view finder as the D700, a tilting LCD for live view, and list could go on. My point, these changes would help with what I do. Nikon seems to be competing with Canon, rather then staying focus on their loyal followers. There are just to many small inexpensive video camera that would do a better job if a person wants to shot video and many fit in a shirt pocket, so whats the point?
I think Nikon just wanted to have something market ready before the holidays, and the sensor development on the D400 was taking longer than expected. So instead of loosing out on end of year sales, Nikon decided to bring the 300s model in hopes reducing their sales losses with minimal investment.
>No way, I just purchased a D700 to go with my D300, I need to >focus and master these two beast, and do not need to add video >in the mix. Of course the D300 value will depreciate,faster >when the D300s hits the streets but that's okay, I am a >photographer, not a short clip filmmaker. I think Nikon goofed >on this, and I think the following improvement could improve >and changed my perspective; the option of 1.5 and 2X >magnification, a module that could convert the CLS to radio >freqencies, the same view finder as the D700, a tilting LCD >for live view, and list could go on. My point, these changes >would help with what I do. Nikon seems to be competing with >Canon, rather then staying focus on their loyal followers. >There are just to many small inexpensive video camera that >would do a better job if a person wants to shot video and many >fit in a shirt pocket, so whats the point?
I agree. Great points. I love it that my P&S Lumix Lx3 has HD video capabilities. But I have no clue why I would want video on my D300.
My whole reason for NOT getting the D300 over the D90 was price to feature ratio. I didn't need the extras of the D300 over the D90.
Basically the only reason I would like to get the D300s is for the dual cards- for redundancy purposes so I can start doing event photography with the added assurance that I have a backup automatically.
So when the time comes, the D300s has become more attractive than the D700, that is unless they come out with a D700s.
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The short answer, "No." The only upgrade in my future would be a D700. That does not rule out the possibility of purchasing another D90 to go with my FG's, F100's, D60, and D90. I have to agree with the earlier posts that there are several small video cameras that I would use to shoot video. I use my Nikons to shoot stills, so video is not a priority in my NAS decisions. However, I would not rule out purchasing a D300 should there be another deal similar to the one that Best Buy ran on the D200's for $ 699.00 (I think it was) not that long ago. Just a couple of thoughts...Jim
I really want video capability, but I want it primarily to be able to record interviews and capture some motion clips of still shots to add to my Producer videos.
Not sure the D300s is the camera I want for those applications. Still only 5 minutes of video at a time; stereo mic input is a move in the right direction. I have a D300 and D700 and business is terrible right now, so I can't justify spending any money on a body.
Will have to wait for the economy to improve and the D700s.
> >Will have to wait for the economy to improve and the D700s.
I also may jump for a D700S for low-light musical theatre, although I'd have to understand the stereo mic business. Economy is definitely weighing on my thoughts too. I would have to hope I could do the sell/buy for a reasonable amount. Maybe I better stop this line of thought, buy a cheap camcorder and stop posting about this issue
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I actually voted a definite "no" earlier but now my wife wants to sell "her" D200 and get a D90 or D300s, leaning towards the latter so now a definite "maybe". If there is anything to the slightly faster focus I will use for birds so not bad.
Due in the UK next week and I will be there on 9 Sep. so if there is one going and I can try one....I just hate to buy any of the first batch of anything... Tom
Richard, a couple more; 1.Auto and extra high Active D-lighting options 2.live view and info buttons 3.and for me a winner-the small ok button in multi controller(I am all thumbs with that controller sometimes) 4.Interactive Settings display screen-haven't really studied that one
I do remember reading something about better usability of live view but did not really pay any attention.
If it has better/faster AF??, quieter??, and a tweeked sensor that will be good. If I get one I will have a D300 and a D300s so will find out and decide which one the wife gets.
Some confusion in the UK right now over the price. 1,499 pounds seems to be the price but some are saying body only and some are saying kitted with 16-85vr??? I asked my dealer(one of the better in the UK )and they said they are only quoting what Nikon told them sometime ago but "it is Nikon! So Cheers, Tom
I own a D90 and plan on buying te D300s. I shoot some auto racing events, and would love to have the 51 focus points for 3D tracking. Of course the D300 will accomplish that, but I can maintain the use of my SD cards with the "s",
Sun 23-Aug-09 12:45 PM | edited Sun 23-Aug-09 12:46 PM by Alain C
Of course, the answer is no. I’m still learning the D300. Anyway I just bought a house. I’m amending my taxes for the $8000 tax credit. Lots of things to buy for the house. Maybe a Nikon 24-70 2.8 is in the future? I must go paint now Great Poll…….Alain D300 Quaker Parrot 18-70mm kit lens 50mm 1.8 70-300mm VR Sigma 10-20mm 2 SB 600's Visit my gallery https://images.nikonians.org/galleries/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=103485
> I will add one to my D200, as I'm hoping for a bit better focusing for wildlife, and I do plan to use the video. I don't see the 5 min limitation on video as a barrier, as most video clips are and I think should be small, and then composed together into a presentation. I hope to add stills, some video clips, audio, etc to make multimedia presentations... I've a learning curve to master!
I think the two space CF and SD slots is another feature that pushed me, so I would say my reasons for moving up are 51 AF points, Video and extra storage slots .. I hope to add FX some time in the future
I think the poll is in the wrong forum, actually I'm sure Nikon expects few D300 users to upgrade - the model would be targeted at those who don't own one.
Having said that, I'm one of the few here that will plan on adding a D300s to compliment my D300 in the future. Once acquired, I will likely modify my old D300 to be astrophotography friendly and as a backup.
As for the video, I personally welcome it. There would be situations I definitely would use it.
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I own a D90, I took a serious look at the D300s but I have decided that I will wait till the D700s comes out. If they prep the D700s like the D300s (video & dual card slots) I will buy one for sure. Maybe they will even put the D3s sensor in the D700s!!
The video is a nice to have feature, I use it when something odd or funny happens and get a nice quick little clip of video that I would never regularly get if not for the video feature.
The dual card slots is needed, I would love to feel secure writing to a CF and a SD card.
I would keep my D90 for the 1.5x, and my leave in the car camera.
None of the above. I have a D700 and bought the D300S as a second body. I was originally going to buy a used D300 when the D300S came out. I could care less about video. But since it is be my second shooter, the noise and AF is slightly better and has a warranty I went with the "S".