I've still got a preorder for a D4 that hasn't been fulfilled yet. I've also considered the D800. Now that people have both bodies in hand I thought it would a good time to ask this question. If you could have only a D4 or only a D800 which would you choose?
Now I think it would be interesting if everyone answered according to their individual needs but if you're wondering what my criteria is in case you want to advise me:
I'm strictly amateur. I do general work (as in, portraits, landscape, macro, wildlife, and whatever else that pops up). I do not do studio work or careful studies of things. I'm not a pixel peeper and 95% of my images are digital display only. I do not use supplemental lighting for the most part and I have good lenses (24-70, 70-200, etc).
Thanks guys! I've been on the forums here for 6 years and it's really the only photo forum I enjoy participating on.
Neil, You are currently shooting with a D700. Are you comfortable with the size and weight of the D700? Are you using the battery grip? IMO, I think the D800 will be a better fit for you. Unless you need the high FPS or like the pro body, going from the D700 to the D800 what I would do.
Hope this helps...JL
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It sounds as if your shooting is similar to mine. I don't do large stuff, crop tiny sections from an image, and worry too much about resolution. Those things crop up from time to time, but less than 1% of the time for me. I'm coming from a D3 and I use high ISO a lot.
If I were restricted to D4 or D800 I'd probably go for the D4. However, I see the D4 as a marginal improvement over the D3 or D3S (I don't do video). So in my case, I'll wait to see what the D5 has to offer.
I use a D700 with a grip for family, travel, portrait. I have mostly FX lenses. What I do not have with my D700 is video capability. So I'm leaning more toward the D4 only because I'm happy with my D700 setup, don't really need the resolution of the D800, and I don't print poster-size prints. Unless someone convinces me that I should go with the D800 for my type of photography.
Except for your wildlife photographs the D800 will be your camera. Even with alot wildlife the D800 will do!
You don' have PC lenses, so that they not fit on the D800 will not be a issue (yet).
So the D800 will be the camera for you!
Albert (D3 and D4 user)
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>If you could have only a D4 or only a D800 which would you choose?<
>...I think it would be interesting if everyone answered according to their individual needs...<
I would choose a D800(E). As a landscape shooter the high resolution, lack of an AA filter, low fps, (relative) light weight and small form factor of the D800 compared to the D4 all align perfectly with my needs.
>...if you're wondering what my criteria is in case you want to advise me:<
If cost is not a consideration then I consider the D4 the camera most suited to your needs.
Hmm, so votes for both sides so far. What intrigues me about the D800 is the dynamic range more than the resolution. What intrigues me about the D4 is the speed and versatility. Choices choises choices. At least someday when both are actually available...
Sun 27-May-12 03:22 AM | edited Sun 27-May-12 03:40 AM by Tinkers Realm
I purchased the D800 & was determined not to get the D4 but after cancelling my original order put my name back on the list only to determine that when D4 came in-I would pass on it. I received a call this week that it had arrived so went over just to "look" at it but instead it followed me home!
Now, my head is swimming w/ should I sell the D800, keep the D800 for studio work, was the D4 a mistake & the list goes on. Was hopeful by the end of this thread I would have come to a clear conclusion but only feel more uncertainty.
I want the D800 for the same reasons as you but the D800 has left me cold in how controlled I need to shoot in order to get the same results I do w/ the D700- if I only kept the D800 I would say gone are the carefree shoots. The minute I used the D4 & looked at the images I knew that I wanted to own it. I shoot low light & some sports in addition to the others you mentioned. I just don't feel I could get the same images w/ the D800 so am wanting to own both-Great Marketing on Nikon's part- LoL!
I think that the D800 & D4 are just different enough from one other that I might be able to justify keeping both. If I could only have one the D4 would win hands down- it has an X factor that can not be explained & yet I can not seem to let the D800 go- Thanks Nikon for messin w/ my head!!!
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Still have a pre-order waiting on a D800e and a D4. I might end up going with whatever comes first. Now that I have a Nikon V1 for light weight excursions I may end up leaning towards the D4 for my more serious work.
The reasons I'm leaning to the D4? from what I've read (since I haven't played with one): faster frame rate, better AF (in practice, not in specs), has almost all the dynamic range improvements seen in the D800, good color, and versatile for all the situations I use a serious camera for. The main 3 things I like about the D800e that might keep me from a D4: no low pass filter, smaller body, lower price.
Now to see what actually becomes available first...
I'm hoping to get a D4. The reason that I choose it over the D8000 is I like the 11 fps feature, and I don't need 36 megapixels. I don't plan on shooting for billboards. The ISO range is also very enticing.
I have a specific "D4 or D800" question -- I have and plan to keep a D800. I want a second body so for some shooting (especially sports) I can keep two lenses ready to go, or at least avoid changing in dirty areas. A D800E came immediately to mind, but ....
Is 10/11fps really a game changer in sports?
I do this for a hobby, and the other D4 advantages are just not that important to me. But on the D800 I shot single shot sports, because 4fps almost invariably misses the peak action.
For example, a volleyball spike - will a burst almost ensure a shot of the ball near the hands? Or is the motion still too fast? I've been staring at youtube slow motion trying to figure out how fast 10fps really is in relation to motion, but without much success.
How "fast" is 10fps really? Is it worth $3000? And no, I have no access to one to test, only the D300 and D800.
>thanks for posting the question .. I am going thru the same >dilemma and have been following thru the threads .. I >currently have a D800 and have a D4 on order .. >Marv ..
Well, I did it, and had my first outing last night at a rodeo. The jury is out on many aspects, but the speed is amazing. Roping or a bucking horse at 11fps gives you a lot of choices of expression and position. Unlike (say) volleyball or baseball where at least in theory one can hit the moment of greatest action with good timing, this is more random, and it is a huge benefit in comparison.
However, I've been spoiled by the resolution on the D800. I've gotten in the habit of framing loosely to make sure I get everything, and with the D4 (and shooting at 6400) I'm finding myself saying "why didn't I zoom on more" when I look closely and faces are filled with noise.
I shot with both, swapping lenses back and forth, and then loaded all in lightoom and started culling (not noticing which was which or having it displayed). When I was done I had about 3 times the initial keepers with the D4. That's a bit unfair, as I also had probably 5 times the images.
But it was very nice having two bodies. While bright I a long lens on the D800 for action on the other side of the arena, then would switch to the 70-200 on the D4. Awkward to carry two, but SO much easier.
But yes... 10fps is just a whole different world from 4fps.
Wow, it sounds like you showed up locked & loaded- what a blast! I too find the D800 does not produces consistent on the fly images the way the D4 let's me rip but they each have a place in my shooting style!
Congrat's on your new Beauties!
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Sun 05-Aug-12 10:14 PM | edited Sun 05-Aug-12 10:15 PM by Ferguson
> >Wow, it sounds like you showed up locked & loaded- what a >blast!
To my own question about speed and how much difference it makes, I pulled these off today's shoot. These are consecutive shots at 10fps. Notice the actual ball strike is about half way in between them. Timing and luck is still needed, but imagine how much action takes place in between frames at 4fps.
I guess to do away with luck and timing I need at least about 30fps.
PS. Yes, I know the horizon is tilted, I was deleting these but found the screen shot interesting.
wow what great images .. NOW I am really looking forward to the 11fps !! .. we're you at Fort Myers Beach ?? ..
just found out that my D4 that I have had on order is to be delivered later this week .. at one time I was second guessing my decision to place an order for the D4 and now I cannot wait for it to come ..
I have also been spoiled by the resolution on the D800 .. now I am always shooting wider and cropping in the 'Darkroom' .. I can see that this is a habit that I am going to have to work on ..
>wow what great images .. NOW I am really looking forward to >the 11fps !! .. we're you at Fort Myers Beach ?? ..
Yes. There's beach volleyball at Diamondhead most Sunday's. And was at Arcadia rodeo shooting with it the last two evenings. Busy weekend, am now doing penance in front of the computer culling. The D4 produces a LOT of images. The good news is they process a lot faster in Lightroom. If curious, look at the "events" section at the link below (the volleyball is not up yet).
thanks for sharing your albumn link .. I have been enjoying exploring your images .. we live in Fort Myers so we have been to both Arcadia for the Rodeo (so I know the light challenges that you were dealing with) as well as to Fort Myers Beach (so I know about dealing with the sun) for a number of events but not to the Beach Volleyball at Diamondhead .. thanks for the heads up that it takes place most every Sunday .. we will be checking this out ..
in addition to 'sports' photography I can see that the D4 with the 11fps will be a real assit getting just the right expression/smile, eyes open etc and in so many other cases where timing is the key .. I am getting excited about getting my hands on my D4 later this week ..
>just got my D4 .. question - I thought that I read that the >D4 and D800 used the same battery ..
The D800 with the grip (and suitable accessories, I think a different door or some such) can use the same battery, but does not inside the camera.
If you use a grip I am told there need be no battery in the camera itself, and you can just put a D4 batter in the grip, then both have the same. I haven't got a grip so I have not done that. yet. It's intriguing then you just have one (dual) charger, and can travel with only that one (large) charger instead of two.
ok .. I tried the battery from the D4 in the D800 Grip .. it fits but I must need to get a different Battery End Cap for the Grip as the D4 battery is shorter than the slot for the battery .. I will now have to search for a new End Cap .. UUUFFDDDAA !! ..
>ok .. I tried the battery from the D4 in the D800 Grip .. it >fits but I must need to get a different Battery End Cap for >the Grip as the D4 battery is shorter than the slot for the >battery .. I will now have to search for a new End Cap .. >UUUFFDDDAA !! ..
I meant to mention as this sub-thread developed that "your horizon should never be level for action and people"
These are not landscapes that you are shooting here. So slavish devotion to levelling is most likely counter-productive and reduces the impact of motion and action in your photos. Whereas *introduction of tilt* is probably something you want to do in many many situations. Look around at highly expert photographers and you will see introduction of tilt, whether the subject is motor-sports, modelling, portraiture, wedding, various sports (in the right situation) and more. The reason tilt is done is it makes the resulting photos better. Tilt does't have to be done on every photo everywhere, but good use of it enhances your output. Once you start doing it you will soon realize you are faced with deciding how much tilt to introduce and which of two directions, so you have to experiment and see what works. And of course you can introduce or moderate tilt in post to taste.
>I meant to mention as this sub-thread developed that >"your horizon should never be level for action and >people"
I agree, here is one from the night before from a "rawhide race" where they drag a cowboy around.
Just to keep us on track, however, that's my new D4 at 360mm ISO 2200. I had a lot of out of focus shots where it grabbed the wrong item (because I didn't have the focus indicator on the right item of course, but sounds better if "it" had the problem), but when it did hit, the focus and exposure were dead on. 1/320th @ F4, just after sunset.
I think that the angle adds a lot to the image .. with my engineering mind I have always thought 'level' and only level but the creative side of my mind has taken over and out of level is good .. great job on the image !! ..
also today I just checked out your 'Fort Myers Beach Volleyball Club August 5, 2012' .. VERY well done .. thanks for sharing ..
>>I meant to mention as this sub-thread developed that >>"your horizon should never be level for action and >>people" > >I agree, here is one from the night before from a >"rawhide race" where they drag a cowboy around. > >http://www.captivephotons.com/Events/FCARanchQualifier2012/i-fXs8sw2/0/L/20120804DSC1887-L.jpg > >Just to keep us on track, however, that's my new D4 at 360mm >ISO 2200. I had a lot of out of focus shots where it grabbed >the wrong item (because I didn't have the focus indicator on >the right item of course, but sounds better if "it" >had the problem), but when it did hit, the focus and exposure >were dead on. 1/320th @ F4, just after sunset. > >Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://captivephotons.com
Ferguson-I want to shoot like this when I grow up-Looking at this makes me want to sell my D800-who needs it-LoL!
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