Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D100,
I posted a note for help earlier for flesh tones on my D1X. I've tried lots of in camera and photoshop tricks, still not real happy. I shoot group shots and still struggle with plasticy non-vibrant flesh tones on my D1X. Last weekend, I backed up all my shots with my dad's D60 and a 28-70 2.8L (one of Canon's best). My kit was my D1X with the 35-70 2.8 (still the best normal zoom Nikkor in my opinion). Right out of the camera, the D60 killed my D1x in color saturation and flesh tone dynamics. I think the dynamic range was superior also on the D60. Now, the D60 is no D series Nikon camera from the standpoint of shooting speed, durability, construction etc., but the images from that CMOS chip are tremendous. Most of the studio shooters that I know love the Fuji S1, flesh tones are the reason, very film like. I love the D1X, and am convinced that there is a way to enhance it's color saturation. I've modified the color balance -3 in each setting to "warm it up", use cloudy sometimes even when shooting with studio strobes. Of coarse, adjust the curves in PS to warm things up, but the D60 just murdered my D1X, same exposure, same light, same WB, same tripod!
I fear that the D100 will share similar CCD tendencies color wise to the D1X, I suspect my lone hope is the new Fuji S-2. Switching to Canon isn't a huge deal to me, I love many of their lenses. All things being equal, however, I'd rather not.
Any thoughts from my respeceted fellow Nikonians?
S-2 or not, I'd still like to find the flesh tone solution for my D1X.
#1. "RE: Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D1" | In response to Reply # 0AlanC Basic MemberMon 01-Jul-02 12:55 PM
If you're shooting in JPEG mode have you tried the different colour spaces? AdobeRGB will look somewhat dull if you're not viewing the results through Photoshop or some other profile-aware application.
Have you tried using RAW mode with the various different processing applications? I recall from your previous post that you have Bibble - but have you tried QImage or Nikon Capture? Each application does tend to render colours in a somewhat different way, so you might find one of the others gives results more to your taste.
In case you've not already tried this, have Bibble (or Qimage / Nikon Capture) output a 16-bit TIFF so you retain the full dynamic range of the D1x's CCD. You then get much more freedom to adjust the dynamics of the final image in Photoshop using levels and curves before any undesirable effects become visible - and you get the same sort of freedom to adjust the saturation.
Finally there's the possibility of creating your own custom profile for the camera using an application such as Profile Prism (from the author of QImage). This should give you the most accurate colour possible, but my concern is that this isn't necessarily what you'd want - in that you're looking for a film-like rendering.
Would you like to post some D1x vs. D60 shots so we can get some idea of what you're looking for?
#2. "RE: Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D1" | In response to Reply # 0spacer Basic MemberMon 01-Jul-02 03:59 PM
Comparing test samples from the D100, S-2, D60 the D60 takes the lead for my purposes (mainly landscapes, warm color balance). I hope there will be some good official Nikon test shots, soon. What Nikon offers on their official webpage is rather poor.
Fuji has some S2 test shoots on their page. Great colors and good skin tones, although somewhat soft. Much better than the S2 samples I found somewhere else.
To get a direct comparison of flesh tones of the D100 vs. D60 check out:
Those D100 samples are far better than what I found on the net previously. Actually I prefer sample D100-2 to D60-2.
Although the S2 might have a slight edge in color balance, I don’t like a few design / technical aspects like battery, flash sync.
Switching to Canon is out of question. Even if I would sell my lenses and start with an essential set of Canon lenses (the 16-35 and 70-200, actually I calculated the numbers and it might be ok for me, not too much loss) there would be no guarantee that an update of the D60 would continue to have a more pleasant color balance. Then what, switching again?
And from the specs I could get from the manual, the D100 seems to be the better body. Only the write times of files to the card are a concern to me. The D60 seems to be much faster.
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#3. "RE: Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D1" | In response to Reply # 2AlanC Basic MemberMon 01-Jul-02 06:29 PM
On the subject of the Fuji S2, I recently found out that the S1 can be run off one set of batteries by using a special dummy battery in the Nikon body - the only downside being you can't use the built-in flash. Hopefully they'll implement the same scheme on the S2; I never did like the idea of a camera that needed two independent sets of batteries.
#4. "RE: Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D1" | In response to Reply # 3jrobichaud Registered since 14th Mar 2002Tue 02-Jul-02 01:57 AM
Andreas and Alan,
Thanks for your efforts, I am using Adobe RGB in the camera and in photoshop. I have Quimage and bibble, haven't seen much improvement in using them. I guess the bottom line is, right out of the camera the D60 is giving me what I want, I was impressed withg the D30 CMOS chip also but not enough resolution. I really don't want to invest so much time on each image to get saturated color. One of the ideas in shooting digitally in the 1st place was scanning was so laborious. I don't mind the S2 not being as good of a camera, there are no better digital cameras to use than the D1X, if the S2 can solve the flesh tones on my large group shots, that will be enough. Any other thoughts are greatly appreciated!
#5. "RE: Color Accuracy between current Dig. cameras (D1X,D1" | In response to Reply # 4spacer Basic MemberWed 03-Jul-02 01:15 AM
Just found some more examples of D100 and D100 vs. D60.
So far the best I have seen. Especially the studio shots.
The D100 give much more pleasant skin tones in those pictures. The D60 has Velvia like skin tones. The greens on the D100 could need some improvement though.
The long exposure samples are ok, exept quite a lot of noise in the highlight area at the roof in the center of the night picture.
Any idea what 'NR' might stand for? 'Noise Reduction'?
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