Your shot looks great! Very sharp and perfectly exposed. You'd never guess it was done at ISO 6400.
My D3 will do that quality at ISO 3200, which is usually enough, but not always.
I have the original 70-200mm f/2.8 VR. I find that lens to be excellent. I guess the new one doesn't have as much vignetting and the VR works a little better. Otherwise, they are very similar. Great lens.
..snippedd.. > >I have the original 70-200mm f/2.8 VR. I find that lens to be >excellent. I guess the new one doesn't have as much vignetting >and the VR works a little better. Otherwise, they are very >similar. Great lens.
The new lens is a drop shorter, and feels better. I can't really nail how to explain it, but the camera doesn't feel like it's overwhelming to carry in my hand with this lens.
My D3S showed up today. It required a bit of time setting all the controls. It was nice to see the time and date set correctly from the factory. Now I'm off to play.
I picked up a pair of Sandisk 16G UDMA cards. The D3S formatted and recorded to them. The Epson P-500 and Hyperdrive SPACE were able to read the cards.
Adobe Lightroom doesn't import D3S files from the Hyperdrive. It works fine for D2X and D300 files. Windows copied the files (manual copy/paste). Windows will display the JPG; Lightroom doesn't see it or the NEF. I'm confident Adobe will have an update shortly. No need to panic or stop shooting raw.
Time to go play at the gym. Heck, I might even get in some time climbing or doing that healthy stuff.
I'm sure your daughter gets as annoyed with you as mine do when I'm snapping away at them doing menial tasks like texting on the couch. ISO 6400-I bet that shot was taken in a room that was a lot darker than it appears!
Was just about to post on the D3 forum to see if any one got their D3s yet. Of course the American's already got theirs. I wonder when we will get ours or when they will start shipping. Aden and Henry's say still say "pre-order now". Vistek no longer lists today's date as the availability day. Wonder if that means they will be receiving stock today. Hmmm...though likely all the D3s' will have been spoken for already.
>Was just about to post on the D3 forum to see if any one got >their D3s yet. Of course the American's already got theirs. I >wonder when we will get ours or when they will start shipping. >Aden and Henry's say still say "pre-order now". >Vistek no longer lists today's date as the availability day. >Wonder if that means they will be receiving stock today. >Hmmm...though likely all the D3s' will have been spoken for >already.
Kerrisdale Cameras in Vancouver called today and said I could pick up my D3S and 70-200 vr2 this Monday. I was second on the list for a D3S and third for the 70-200 vr2.
Fri 27-Nov-09 08:25 PM | edited Sat 28-Nov-09 12:18 PM by BDD888
Ok so Canadians are getting theirs as soon as next week. So only a week after our American friends. It's just not official on Toronto based camera shop websites (e.g. Vistek, Henry's or Aden).
I noticed on the Vistek.ca site that there will be a launch party in Ottawa on December the 2nd. Free. Don't know if that is the official Canadian launch. Which is why none of the websites (CDN) have mentioned anything yet.
Vistek, will have D3s' in by the end of next week. Orders can still be placed as this shipment isn't all spoken for. Which I find strange. I assume there were (are) more than enough working and wealthy photographers gunning for one. Though, I suppose many are happy with their D3's and D700's so they don't see a need to upgrade. More so the D3 owners.
I'm on the fence about the D3s. Waiting to see if Nikon will put out a new D700 based on the D3s sensor. Or if it will be based on the D3x? If they only put out one version I hope it's based on the D3s with it's 200-12,800 inspec ISO range. Very useful especially if you prefer to use natural light.
Sat 28-Nov-09 05:38 AM | edited Sat 28-Nov-09 05:40 AM by Ralphster
Not all of us americans got their D3S before our friends from the north! I pre-ordered mine from Adorama and still haven't heard anything.
I guess I should have ordered it from B&H. I saw the D3S listed as "In-Stock" on their website for a couple hours the other day. I don't know where I am on the Adorama list. I actually was going to order it from B&H at first since they have always said they would ship the first orders on 11/27. But when I went there to pre-order the website was not accepting orders for the entire weekend that I was going to order it.
That is one thing that is annoying to me about B&H. Their website is offline pretty often with a "Be Back Later" message. On more than one occassion I have purchased from Adorama when they were not accepting orders. I understand closing the store for religious holidays but that is the beauty of a website! It works when you don't! I'm quite surprised they do that with their site in the brutally competitive electronics business. I had recommended that a friend purchase a D300S there but when he went to buy it their site was down so he bought it from somewhere else. I bet they lose quite a few orders from folks looking for "Instantaneous Gratification" because of their site being down for holiday or maintenance or whatever.
Sorry to derail the thread with a B&H website rant! I can't believe the high ISO images people are getting with the D3S. I can't wait to use mine on Christmas morning for stills and video. Assuming I get it by then.
If anyone in Northern California really really has to get their D3s right now, they can find one at Action Camera in Roseville. I dropped by there yesterday to look for gadgets and just shoot the breeze and found that they had 3 excess to the pre-orders. I briefly talked to a man who was holding a 200 2.8 like a baby. I told him that was the first one I had seen close up and commented that he hadn't seen one either and had just bought that one. Nice Christmas presents, a new D3s and 200 f2. his first shot in the store was a close up of one of the two salesgirls. The combo of florescent light and window light was handled perfectly by the preset WB and the image looked great. I asked the salesgirl, who is an avid Nikon shooter herself, if the D3s was going to be displayed and she said "no, anyone who wants one knows what they want and besides that or any buyer expects an unopened pristine box". Their price was $5199.
They also have stock of 70-200VR N II. I got to play with one for a short while on my D90 and it looks and feels smaller/lighter but really isn't either except a slightly shorter length. Nice, but on a D90 the "old" one is just fine with me, and it is my walking around lens(helps to have a RS-5 Black Rapid strap)
Photographers in the Sacramento area are lucky because there are two family owned local stores(Action Camera and Pardee's Camera) that are very well stocked with higher end gear, who also do repairs in store.
Now if I can convince my elderly mother, with whom I am in the US visiting for another week, to give me my inheritance now or my next 15 years of Christmas presents this year, I might be able to get such a rig. Failing that, back "home" I have a glass jar that I set out on the kitchen table that is labeled "D3s Fund" where I am depositing $500 a month plus any change and small bills left in my pockets at the end of the day. 1/5th of the way there so next spring will be my move to FX. Stan St Petersburg Russia
Sat 28-Nov-09 08:17 PM | edited Sat 28-Nov-09 10:20 PM by BDD888
Actually, it's every 4 years does (http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d4.htm) Nikon put out their new revolutionary flagship model. Sometime in 2011 sounds about right for a "D4". Wonder how they are going to top the D3 models. Increase the base MP to 18MP? Offer 1080p 24 fps video recording? Increase the inspec ISO from the D3s' 12,800 to 25,800? 11 fps in "continuous high" mode? Always fun to speculate.
I mean if you had to upgrade to a D3 model NOW and couldn't wait for the D4 then I would definitely opt for the D3s. Or maybe the next D700 if it's based on the D3s sensor. I for one am not sure I could wait till the summer of 2011. So next year I might be joining the D3s club or the D700s.
And where is this thread with the new photos?
UPDATE. After posting this Re I Googled the D4 and it appears I was fairly spot on in my predictions. Though these are "official rumors". See here..
>By spring that glass jar may be labelled "D4 fund". > At any rate, I look forward to viewing your images in your >gallery.
Maybe there will be a new model but what ever meets the ISO desires I will be ready for. If a D700 came out that had the sensor, amps and ADC's of the D3s but be cheaper and allow the excess money to be put into a 14-24, I might go for that.
I was not around when the D3 was introduced, was there more or less excitement over the delivery dates? Stan St Petersburg Russia
The D3 announcement was a gale. The D3X and D3S releases were/are very quiet by comparison. The D3X had twice the MPix but many didn't want it at the price. The D3S only has one more stop and a bit of stuff here and there. It also has movie mode.
Early D3S adopters are either late to the D3 series (like me) or interested in movie mode. Personally I am very happy with my D3S. It is better than what I got from the D3 when I rented it. To the D3's defense, renting a camera for a weekend isn't the same as owning one for four days. Plunking down the cash tends to cause a bit more buy-in.
Lessons learned: Don't shoot the D3S out of speck in Hi-anything. If 12800 can't pull it then call it a bad day and leave it alone.
Thanks for the background. I remember the D3x release but it meant little to me but I knee enough to realize there was not a major earthquake surrounding it. But the D3 was before I had any connection or interest since giving my SLR away 20+years ago.
The published images of 25,600 were clean enough for some of the events that I find are such a challenge now. I can get acceptable noise level now with my D90 at H.3 but shutter speeds are just a bit low with 2.8 glass, and my 1.4 lenses are too short as is the DOF. For image quality I am happy with the DX when the light is good, nothing to complain about. A pretty clean 12,800 would be wonderful for the theater/stage work since flash can only be used during curtain calls or before the lights dim. I borrowed a D700 for a week and got some pretty good images in those light conditions with my 70-200vr. But what blew me away was how the 14-24 performed on FX....reason enough to go full frame for architecture and landscapes. Stan St Petersburg Russia
Sun 29-Nov-09 10:01 PM | edited Sun 29-Nov-09 10:08 PM by EpicDan
These two photos were shot under artificial light. The D3S at 12800 looks better to me than the D2X at 800.
I tried to find a good comparison with the D2X at ISO 400. The D3S at 12800 is very close to the D2X at 400. Artificial light vs daylight and under/over exposure have enough effect that I can't say it always falls one way or the other. I'm also short on D3S examples in various lighting conditions and haven't taken the time to do a direct compare in controlled conditions. Too much time playing.
Someone will do the matamatical analysis and come to a steril conclusion. Until then, and potentially even after, I will gladly use 12800 on the D3S wherever I would have used ISO 400 on the D2X. Of course, that's assuming I need that much speed for the shutter or aperture.
Edited to add: Both photos are pixel-level crops. One is a male US Army General and the other is a famale Chinese student. How's that for a comparison? The D2X seemed to have the worst noise in anything red.
Well, it looks like the D3s' are finally officially being sold in Toronto camera shops. I just checked the Aden Camera website and they today have the D3s listed at an "attractive" $5329.99 CAD. Best price so far in town. And again they have "limited supply". Not completely sold out.
So tempting!! But I do want to see what Nikon does or doesn't do with the next version of the D700 first. Prefer it's more compact camera body. And the possibility it might include the ability to record 1080p video (given the choice I'd prefer 1080p over 720p).
try driving a Ford Taurus SHO, I mean D200. . . . .I'm still waiting to see how FX shakes out. . .
But in the mean time, recently acquired a 35-70 2.8, 60 2.8 and 50 1.4. . . .once Nikon gets their D700 successor sorted out (hoping along the lines of a D3s high iso capability), I'll plunk it down and do the upgrade as you Ralphster!!
My wife was OK with the purchase but did mention offhand that she didn't want to see another UPS box at the front door from any camera stores for at least a year. I guess I'll have to get them shipped to the office!
Yes, it seems this is the week D3s are arriving into the hands of Canuckians. Shops in Toronto are getting their shipments later this week. I think Vistek said Friday.
As I said. I'm a little surprised not all of them are spoken for. I guess there are enough D3 owners out there already. If I had a D3 I doubt I would be running to buy a D3s or the D3x. As nice as it is to have more ISO range or the 24MP for studio work. But if you're going from DX to FX...
That and I think the buyers are mostly news agencies (e.g. newspapers, magazines). Who can add to their D3 collection at a whim.
Nikon Canada doesn't seem to be as strict as they were when they were rolling out the D3. Back then you had to prove you were a working photographer (e.g. for a sports magazine or newspaper). With the D3s they are selling it to any one who can foot the bill. Or that is how it is in Toronto. And as I mentioned you can still place an order now at this time. When the D3 came to market all copies were spoken for by "PROs" (hate that word...makes me think of some egomaniac that needs to be labeled a "PRO" to feel important).