Wide Angle Lens advise and Suggestions received with th
Just wanted to say that I was SHOCKED (in a good way) with the responses and wonderful advise I received from many here regarding wide angle lens for my Nikon D100. Much appreciated and thank you!
Now I have more questions .
I have a Nikon ED AF-S 24-85 mm lens. It also says on it 1:3.5 - 4.5G.
Can anyone please educate me on the acronym designations, that is ED, G, AF (I guess Auto Focus) etc. Also how much is this lens worth? I just want to analyze if I got "royally ripped off"... "ripped off"... or paid a "reasonable price".
Also I checked the prices of other wide angle lens and I'll take your advise and suggestions and invest little more money. After all I spent a good amount on the D100 so why not have the best!
Ok... I was also looking at zoom lenses... . I came across several makes of 70-300mm ranging widely in prices with all these fancy AF's, ED's G's etc.
I came across several:
1) Nikon 70-300mm F/4-5.6D ED AF Zoom-Nikkor (MSRP $465)
2) Nikon 70-300mm F/4-5.6G AF (No ED fancy whatever it is) (SP $280)
3) Nikon AF 300mm F4 ED-IF D (SP $1000)
4) Tamron 75-300mm F4.0/5.6 LD (No ED stuff, but whats LD?) (SP $160)
5) Sigma 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 DL Macro Super - Nikon Mount(SP $172.85)
6) Phoenix AF 70-300mm f:4.5-6.7 (MSRP $150 and looks ugly)
7) Nikon Telephoto 300mm f/2.8 D ED-IF AF-S ($4780 OH MY !!!!)
(Now why the heck is this so expensive? compared to other 300mm telephoto?)
Ok... once again... please enlighten me with your wisdom! And will all these lens work on a D100 ?) Also really curious to know why the wide angle lenses are so much more expensive than the telephoto-zoom lenses?
Now about Wide Angle Lens... ok... really really wide angle -- Fish Eye probably the best. Here are some Fish Eye's and other wide angle prices:
1) Sigma 15mm F2.8 EX Diagonal Fish-Eye - Nikon Mount (SP $400)
2) Sigma 8mm F4 EX Circular Fish-Eye - Nikon Mount (SP $750 - OUCH!)
3) Nikon 17-35mm f/2.8D ED-IF AF-S - (SP $1500 - Almost another D100)
4) Phoenix (???) 19-35mm Wide Angle Lens - Nikon Mount (SP $150)
(New-bee Nikonian & convert and will always remain an amateur photographer and enthusist).
PS: I've used PENTAX SLR for almost 20 years and not being able to wait for the Pentax Digital SLR, I bought the D100 and am LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT -- Though I will buy a Pentax Digital SLR for sure when one is available .
#1. "RE: Wide Angle Lens advise and Suggestions received wit" | In response to Reply # 0pmirror Registered since 24th Nov 2002Sat 03-May-03 06:37 AM
ED= Extra low Dispersion, meaning ED glass is better than non ED glass. Of course it'll be more expensive.
G, I don't know the acronym, but it's the lens without aperture ring. Meaning the lens can only be used with newer camera like F5, F100, D100, D1 etc. The aperture control is in the camera body.
AF-S= AF Silent, meaning the auto focus is faster than AF only, because of the mechanic of the lens.
Your 24-85 lens is good lens. keep it.
For telephoto, my suggestion is Nikkor AF 80-200/ 2.8 ED the lens is fast and not too expensive, than the AF-S 80-200/2.8 ED or the latest AF-S 70-200/2.8 ED VR
Wide lens; wait for DX 12-24, around 1000 bucks.
it's near Bali, if you don't know where it is
#2. "RE: Wide Angle Lens advise and Suggestions received wit" | In response to Reply # 1fundy Registered since 13th Nov 2002Sat 03-May-03 09:40 AM
I just saw in a magazine here in Japan that Pentax is releasing the D-ist soon, maybe the next month or soon.
For the zoom reviews you might want to check out http://www.bythom.com and http://www.kenrockwell.com They both give excellent, well thought out reviews and although, they usually use the top of the line expensive stuff, they review stuff for the regular guy with the regular pocket book..
Wide angle also, don't forget the Tokina 17mm 3.5 prime, a good lens at a good price.
Of all the lenses you listed, the 70-300 ED, extra low dispersion glass, is the best one. You could probably pick up a used one if you look around. It is also in the same line as your 24-85 and would make a nice match.
Of all the zooms you listed, personally, I would only consider buying the ED version. If not, I would pick up a used 80-200 2.8 or a used 70-210 or 80-200 4.5-5.6 which are recommended on the bythom.com and kenrockwell.com site.
Oregonian Nikonian presently found on Shikoku, Japan
#3. "RE: Wide Angle Lens advise and Suggestions received wit" | In response to Reply # 0
I am veeeery glad with my lens set:
Nikkor 80-400 VR
For macro I use the Nikkor 24-120, up to 3:1 (35 mm equivalent), and the Nikkor 80-400 plus Canon 500D, 77 mm macro (corrected) filter for up to 1:1, for both solutions I have a decent work space around 2 feet!
1) I significantly overlaped the zoom ranges - so I can survive in the field only with two of the three lenses (fault tolerance) and have confort in the field avoiding lens changes (it is particularly important for DSLR due to possibility of dust on the CCD surface)
2) I use tripod as possible, but most the situations it is not possible, so I looked for the possibility to use my lenses both handheld and on tripod - all of them I can use handheld in decent light situations!
3) I did not detect any image quality handcap using any of my lenses: the limiting factor is the photographer (myself )
4) The glasses are light sufficient to be carried in my backpack almost everywhere. So I use them.
I do not recomend to handheld anything above 150 mm range without VR (note it is multiplied by 1.5 in D100!) mainly with limited aperture.
Hope my experience help you. Good luck!
O.Cristo - An Amateur Photographer
Opinions of men are almost as various as their faces - so many men so many minds. Franklin
#4. "VR" | In response to Reply # 3pmirror Registered since 24th Nov 2002Mon 05-May-03 10:39 PM
--I do not recomend to handheld anything above 150 mm range without VR (note it is multiplied by 1.5 in D100!) mainly with limited aperture.--
That's why I sometimes got the D100 shake using 80-200 @ 1/40. The same lens on F5 I can go down til 1/15
it's near Bali, if you don't know where it is
#5. "Additional answers..." | In response to Reply # 0
Tamron's LD designation also indicates the presence of at least one low dispersion lens element in the lens. ED or LD lens elements will minimize chromatic aberrations in the focused image.
The D100 is compatible with the latest Nikon lens techology, so if you are getting a recently manufactured AF lens, including G lenses with no manually adjustable aperture ring, they should be fine. VR (vibration reduction) lenses will also work fine on the D100. Beware of any lenses with apertures dimmer than f/5.6. Such lenses may be difficult to autofocus, especially in less that bright lighting. The AF module in the D100 is rated to f/5.6.
Third party manufacturers do make some good lenses, but if you really don't know much about the specifics, you might be better off sticking with Nikon, and the resale value of the Nikkors will be higher anyway. The Nikon 70-300 lenses are little gems for the price. The ED lens has a manual aperture control and an ED lens element, but the G lens is practically the same optically. These lenses are usable, if a little slow, for wildlife on a D100, and are a wonderful way to get into telephoto photography on a budget. They are optically very good, especially for this price, and if coupled with either a 5T of 6T Nikon diopter lens, make a very good macro lens. I carry a 70-300ED and 5T adapter in my bag, and even though I own an optically beautiful 80-400VR lens, I'm not giving up my 70-300ED.
Be careful with your choice of wide angle lenses. The optical peculiarities of the CCD sensor may not be compatible with standard ultra-wide angle or fisheye lenses. For standard wide angle capability, the 18-35ED is affordable and is extremely sharp stopped down (which is how one mostly uses a wide-angle landscape lens anyway). You can get one for about $500. This is my standard wide-angle lens on the D100. For wider, I would wait for the digitally optimized 12-24DX lens, but it'll cost you about $1000US or more. (How much do you REALLY want ultrawide? You can get tremendous DOF with the 18-35 at an effective 27 mm...is that enough?)
Finally, the 24-85AFS/G is a nice little lens in a very useful focal length range for the D100. The street price here in the US is around $360.
A very nice and very affordable kit might include:
24-85AFX/G (already have it)
70-300ED or G ($300 or $130US)
5T or 6T diopters ($40 each)
For more capability, you might consider:
12-24DX/G instead of the 18-35ED
80-400VR instead of (or in addition to) the 70-300ED
70-200AFS/VR/G and teleconverters instead of (or in addition to) the 70-300ED.
There are similar third party solutions as well, but I've stuck with Nikkors for a variety of personal reasons. Just don't expect many real optical gems in the sub-$200 price range (the 70-300G being one of those rare exceptions.)
The initial kit will cover effective focal lengths from 27-450 mm, a wide range of capability. The VR lenses, while pricey, are optically superb and offer interesting hand-held, monopod, or creative bracing possibilities for wildlife photography etc.
I've pretty much described my own kit (18-35ED, 28-105D, 70-300ED + 5T diopter, 80-400VR) and it has served me very well with both an N80 and a D100.
#6. "RE: Additional answers..." | In response to Reply # 5BCNikonian Registered since 02nd Jan 2003Wed 16-Jan-08 12:01 PM
I bought my SIGMA 15mm. Fisheye yesterday for 395€ and my first impression is very good. I want to test the lens in a open street (next sunday I'll have some opportunities) but you can see a shot I made 5 mins. ago.
In a D-100 is rediscovering wide lenses, but in a classic SLR, 15 mm are...bufff...huge.
Sigma 15 mm. FISHEYE
f/2.8 1/20 sec. (handheld)
Xavi, a Nikonian in Barcelona
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Xavi, a Nikonian in Barcelona