Fri 14-Aug-09 12:47 AM | edited Fri 14-Aug-09 12:47 AM by markscamera
In this era of high mp cameras I was wondering if anyone still uses their D2H's? I use mine mainly for backyard birding and macro now, it used to be my everyday do all body until I got bit by the high iso bug. Mark Stephan NAVY
Fri 14-Aug-09 10:45 AM | edited Fri 14-Aug-09 10:49 AM by tgreenwald
I have D2X and D2H and will grab D2H most of the time when I know I won't need to crop. I shot a wedding reception this weekend and used the D2H for the candids with a 105mm f2.8 and the D2X with a 28mm lens for the huge group shot that was going to be printed large for "mom" with over 70 people in it. No one asks what camera I'm using between the 2 cameras and on the web where most photos seem to live these days who can tell the difference. Are printed out hard copy photos going the way of the 8 track tape? I always shoot RAW so the small 4MP file size of the H is welcome and really speeds up a large shoot. Plus 8 frames per second of the D2H is great for wildlife like 4 year olds. At todays prices it's a real steal. Perfect back up for D2X as same battery and layout. I had to put a big name tag on it so I don't grab the D2X instead. I was on my way to a used D300 and ended up with a D2X and D2H for about the same price to replace a D200. No plans for new bodies for the forseeable future (what happened to my NAS) Regards,
I'm afraid that the D2h isn't getting almost any use any more, now that I have two 12mp bodies (D3, D2x). I hate to let it go, but I think that'll happen shortly. I don't have enough interest in IR to have it converted, and I can't think of another good use for it.
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>In this era of high mp cameras I was wondering if anyone >still uses their D2H's? I use mine mainly for backyard >birding and macro now, it used to be my everyday do all body >until I got bit by the high iso bug. >Mark Stephan >NAVY
I still use the D2hs with the 70-300 VR anything else i shoot with the D700.
Evan though I own a D2x and D3 I use the D2h for family events and when large files are not needed. Still takes wonderful captures with great color. 4 mega pixel camers are still viable for many situations. Regards,
Sat 15-Aug-09 04:21 PM | edited Sat 15-Aug-09 04:25 PM by MelT
I bought my D2H back in Feb 2004 which was not too long after they started shipping. I still use mine. I makes for a great "candid" or "event" camera when results would never be any larger then 8x10. Dealing with small 4MP files are such a joy to process when you need to deal with a lot of them compared to much larger 12MP files.
Sure...I could perhaps use the 2.0 crop mode of the D2X to get smaller file sizes and achieve the same thing but then I would have to concentrate on shooting within the grid zone of the 2.0 crop in the viewfinder instead of simply shooting what is in my viewfinder. I prefer just grabbing my D2H instead.
I bought a D2Hs about a year and half ago. Love it. Now the D70 seems like a Coolpix. Cropping sometimes is a problem so for the extra reach. I bought a VR 70-200. Just waiting for the right price on a D2Xs....bad NAS.
D2Hs is still my only digital camera. It still meets my needs, small files, sweet 8x10s. I am sure a used D3 is in my future, but economy being what it is, the current kit is shooting the pictures. Cheers, Christopher My_Nikonians_Gallery ~ My_website
Sun 23-Aug-09 02:45 PM | edited Sun 23-Aug-09 02:50 PM by tgreenwald
I'm waiting as well for the Sub 1200 D3, it will be here. Hard to think a D2X for under 1000 with low activations. Todays wonder camera is tomorrows trash. Invest in lenses. I never grab the Coolpix any more as I just can't stand the lag time so my "compact" is the D2H with 28mm f3.5 AIS, kind of a big compact but I only have to know one camera for all I do,.
Love my D2H, it is a wonderful camera, got it just after they came out, so have had it a while, I use to take it exclusively when I traveled, amazing the beautiful prints you can get out of those files.
I'm think about converting it to IR, as I have two D2X's now... and after a class using Silver Effects, it processes IR amazingly.
I sold my D2h a while back. But if I still had it I would not hesitate to use it for applications pointed out already. I have several 16x20" prints made with images captured with the D2h. It was my first "pro" camera and it never disappointed me when I owned it.
Today I spent the day looking at D300 and D700 prices. I already own a Nikon D3 and a D200. Both take pictures that I am happy with. Some of the pictures are great some are not so great. But what ever, I like them. It came to me after reading a post about a New 18mp Canon and a suggestion that Nikon should now raise its game to compete. I am sure it will, but I wont anymore at least for the time being. Its all getting stupid. Why on earth do we need these very powerful mega pixel cameras.
I think I am going to get off the merry go round for a while and concentrate on using what I have well.
I will probably change my mind again, but for the moment having a sensible hour or two.
So keep using your allegedly out of date equipment, because it actually does the job it was intended to do and well.
My favorite long range candid camera was an issued D2Hs with a 500/4.0.
When the price cut on the D2H popped to unload inventory in anticipation of all prospective D2H sales going to the D2Hs I bought a D2H.
A great candid camera for my personal ownership, I mounted the 1999 vintage consumer 70-300/4.0-5.6 AFD ED Nikkor zoom abd found it's lightweight and now reasonable speed screw drive AF as a great pairing. In December of 2006, I replaced the 73/4 year old 70-300 with the current 70-300.4.5-5.6 AFS VRII ED Nikkor and re-defined rapid subject acquisition and focus with pro lens detail and contrast as long as I can shoot at f8.0 to f11.0, shutter between 1/15th (up to 200mm equaling 300mm with VR on to 1/500th. (faster shutter speeds reduce shadow detail) and ISO 1200 or lower.
Don't buy the latest, use the existing tools to the max.
Yes I do. It is a great camera and works for my needs. The camera was in the car and I was just messing around. Well after the Sun was down I shot this building front. Just adjusted for WB in Capture other than that it is straight out of camera. Second shot is a 100% crop. Shot with a 70-200 with the VR on. I don't think it's that bad for 4 meg camera.
Long Exposure NR: Off High ISO NR: Off Exposure Mode: Programmed Auto White Balance: Auto Tone Comp.: Auto Compressed RAW (12-bit) Metering Mode: Multi-Pattern AF Mode: AF-S Hue Adjustment: 0° Image Size: Large (2464 x 1632) 1/45 sec - F/3.3 Flash Sync Mode: Not Attached Saturation: Normal Exposure Comp.: 0 EV Sharpening: Medium high Lens: VR 70-200mm F/2.8 G Sensitivity: ISO 400
Being on a tight budget, I bought a used D2H this spring so I have been shooting with it several times a week for awhile now. I really enjoy this camera. The pro body fits my hands well, balances heavier lens reasonably well, and seems logically laid out. This was my first pro body camera and I can now understand why they are so favored. The LCD screen is pretty weak though but I manage with it anyway.
I really like the raw image quality on my D2H. I have to work harder to get great pictures (exposure mostly) than my brothers do with their D300 & D90's but I love the "film like" look better of my pictures over theirs too.
I routinely shoot at ISO 1600 out of necessity (indoors usually) but find the grain (noise) in the photos not objectionable and sometimes very pleasing if I let some highlights go and make sure my histogram is hugging the right side as much as possible. If I had a newer camera (D300 or D90 or better) then I would probably take more shots and get more keepers than I do now so I have had to compromise a little in this area for the sake of my budget.
My D2H is very strong in focus speed and when shooting 8 fps. When shooting action or getting some shots off quickly the D2H is absolutely ear to ear grinning awesome! So my number of keeper shots goes way up here which helps balance out some loss of keepers when shooting high ISO pics. When shooting people and my kids especially, I find that I shoot often at 8fps and then pick out the best photo in the series. Kinda like shooting slow video and then grabbing the best frame later in post processing.
I really like the high eyepoint D2H viewfinder too especially when trying to frame the shot and pay attention to all the details of a potential photo. I wear glasses and it seems to be nice and bright and less tunnel like than my D50 or my brother's D90. It also works reasonably well with manual focus lenses.
So... YES I still use my D2H! If you are on a tight budget then I highly recommend one even though it has both strengths and weaknesses. I am on the lookout for an affordable D2HS though... for its significant improvements over the D2H. More pleasing skin tones & out of camera JPGs, better LCD, and less camera repair issues are the big things. And some years down the road I hope to buy a used D3 when they are finally in my price range.
Wow...LooneyTunes pretty much described my situation as well... Although my entire reason for getting the D2H was for value VS Costs (which makes absolute sense!) and for the 8fps for sports photography... I don't shoot at night too much so High ISO is not my priority, even though like many, I think the film grain looking noise adds to some photograph rather than distract... So either a D2Hs or D2X in near futur again for me!
My D2Hs just arrived, so I'm getting a very late start on this camera. After using it for a few days, I've confident that I bought it for all the right reasons. I'm waiting for my grandkids to get well for the ultimate test. I know this is not a landscape camera, but I couldn't help myself this week. The fog, rain and breaking out of the fall colors called me outdoors.
Roger It is still ISO, aperture and shutter speed, right? "Nikonians membership - My most important photographic investment."
I have to laugh "My D2Hs just arrived, so I'm getting a very late start on this camera". That's the way I felt once I got mine what an upgrade from my D70. Then NAS took over and I got the VR 70-200. That camera and lens combo just blow my mind. Still have to wait a little for the leaves to change here in Mid Tenn.
Not many people are selling. I waited a long time to find one. There were only a few other opportunities, but the timing was right on this one. I know your are right about the resolving power. I'm very impressed with what I've seen so far and I like what I'd call the color roundness in the D2Hs images. I've got a few days of something else than photography to get through .... I feel a bout of pixel withdrawal about to set in.
Roger It is still ISO, aperture and shutter speed, right? "Nikonians membership - My most important photographic investment."
P.S. Go back to your field of flowers, and re-shoot that scene with the D200 and D2Hs, same lens, focal length and distance, same light. Then report back how much additional detail you actually can resolve with the 10mpx. I'll bet it's not as much as you might think. _________________________________ Neil Nikonians Team My Gallery
I am a newspaper photographer who uses a D300 daily, but my trusty D2Hs is always in my bag and used quite a bit. When shooting sports or fast moving news events the super fast focusing and frame rate plus buffer of the D2Hs puts the D300 to shame. I have gotten images with the older D2Hs that I would never have gotten with the slower D300.
>Brian McInnis > >I am a newspaper photographer who uses a D300 daily, but my >trusty D2Hs is always in my bag and used quite a bit. When >shooting sports or fast moving news events the super fast >focusing and frame rate plus buffer of the D2Hs puts the D300 >to shame. I have gotten images with the older D2Hs that I >would never have gotten with the slower D300.
Is the D2Hs faster than the D2H?
Hobbyist here: I have a D300 and the D2H doesn't get as much use except as a back-up.
>>Brian McInnis > >Is the D2Hs faster than the D2H? > If you mean max FPS, they are the same. I purchased a used D2H in 2007 with 4,200 clicks on it and though I don't use it much, I am keeping it as a back up to my D3.
The Nikon D2HS ... the camera's buffer has been increased and (possibly) also its method of buffering; the D2HS can shoot continuously at eight frames per second for up to 50 JPEG frames (a 25% increase) or 40 NEF (RAW) frames (a 60% increase). The larger increase in RAW burst capability hints towards an improved buffering method and is twice the RAW buffer capability of Canon's EOS 1D Mark II.
Phil's preview also points out that the D2HS has "faster subject acquisition and tracking algorithms" than the D2H.
From Nikon's D2HS Press Release at DPreview.com: Faster, higher precision 11-area AF system - Refinements to the camera’s AF and lens drive algorithms further improve focus precision, subject acquisition, and subject tracking. The high precision and speed of the D2HS' AF system also contributes to achieving high-speed continuous shooting.
It was refreshing to see an attempt to DEBUNK THE CLAIM that there is NO DIFFERENCE between a RAW image from the D2H and D2HS. I tend to believe that it is a small incremental difference that may not be all that noticeable or important to many D2H shooters which is understandable. I would like to see even more evidence either proving or disproving all this.
If continuous shooting speed with the D2H or D2HS is important then having "fast enough" not "the fastest" CF memory cards is critical so the buffer can keep up with your shooting. Thom Hogan in his D2H/D2HS Guide (rev: 2006) said, "the SanDisk Extreme IV CF cards seem to be about the fastest at writing large files on the D2H series".
Turning OFF Long Exposure Noise Reduction in the D2H and D2HS camera menu to NOT LIMIT THE BUFFER size in addition to avoiding the "dark current frame subtraction" function being performed which takes valuable time (per Thom Hogan's D2H/D2HS Guide) becomes important also if you have a "need for speed". This impacts in camera JPG's so beware if you are shooting at high ISO and also shoot JPG only.
The D2HS also has a "High ISO NR" setting that the D2H does not. This can also limit buffer size. Thom Hogan's "D2H/D2HS Guide" has a discussion of this and how the Nikon manual and the C-REM remaining buffer count are at odds.
If you don't have Thom Hogan's guide for the D2H/D2HS then I for one can highly recommend it as it is packed with very useful information that I needed to know but didn't. Sorry if I sound like a salesman for Thom but I am not, just a happy user of his camera guides. The really surprising thing about Thom's guides for me has been how he explains the history and why with enough depth, about a broad number of Nikon camera related technical things so that I feel like I really get the big picture. It is like picking Thom's brain (via search function) whenever you want to and getting to benefit from his lifetime of knowledge, experience, and industry connections. IMHO, the price of his guide is a bargain.
So hopefully this helps clarify some of the differences between the D2H and D2HS, especially regarding whether one is faster than the other.
I sold my D2Hs to help fund the D3. Now a year later I just bought a low mileage D2Hs. I love the D3, but have been using the D2Hs much more lately. I like the D2Hs colors and skin tones better than the D3. And I love the small files!
I do mostly photo's for the web, and much prefer my D2H over my D300! I too love the small files & the handling is better for me than the D300. On a different note, I was given a couple of 8GB, 300x Lexar UDMA CF cards. I formatted them in the D2H, and made some test shots that seem fine. I haven't used them for work or something I cannot duplicate. Anyone have any experience with them in the oldies? Thanks!
I am amazed how pictures from the D2H can turn out if I do my part correctly. This camera has definitely been fun with old legendary Nikkor manual focus lenses so long as I don't have to chase the action too much. I am now very comfortable using my D2H with manual focus lenses and often prefer shooting in manual exposure mode too. Learning the D2H this way has been fun and easier than I originally thought.
Here is a sample from Halloween 2009 of why I like my D2H:
Here is the same picture in a larger size with camera settings info:
I still use my D2H professionally. Its speed and focusing accuracy (when shooting motorsports, for instance)are impressive, even by today's standards and, to my eye at least, the colors and tonal range are much more pleasing than those from later machines. My D3s is a beautiful camera, all right, but its output seems "clinical." Comparing the photos from it and my D2H is like listening to a technically accurate but "cold" digital sound recording versus one played back on a vacuum tube amp.
I've never gotten a complaint from an editor or art director, either -- just compliments.
...I have a D3 and I love it, but there is something about those D2Hs skintones that is just special...anytime I can get away with the samller 4MP files, my D2Hs gets the call. I don't think it will be getting retired anytime soon...
>Interesting older thread, any new thoughts with the D4 just >announced, and the D800 on the horizon?
It was a great read. Timely too as I just put my D2h back into rotation as a remote cam. The low cost and high framerate means I get to put it in harms way when required. I used it this weekend on the third base line to shoot plays coming into third. And if light isnt going to be a problem, I still shoot with it from time to time.
Putting a 16GB or 32GB card in it means I can shoot it longer than I have batteries!
I have read all the responses on this thread and am still puzzled . What does the 'of HS' in the title question refer to. Just curious and probably I'm just dumb, but don't make a connect to anything. I realize it's an old,old thread but it had quite a few responses with no reference to 'of HS' or 'HS'.
Glad you brought this old post back. I responded in the original round, and have since given my wife a D90. Having had that taste of the new tech, I still much prefer the D2Hs and have invested in glass, and recently another bag instead of a new D.
The recent D4/D800 announcement does have my NAS re-surging, but since I only shoot with my D2Hs my computing is all sized for the small files. I have been updating infrastructure toward the future but have a ways to go. To date nothing other than the D700 and D3s got me interested. But for my photography I expect that a used D3 or D700 is in my future, I would have to retool my computing environment to handle the files of the D800. But after reviewing much of the material on the web, I am sure if I won the lottery I would own both. No matter what I will be keeping my D2Hs.
I just bought a D2Hs as my first dSLR a month or so ago. The small pixel count will force me to learn composition and basic photo skills and the relatively poor low light will force me to learn to use lighting.
With all this I made a quite passable 8" by 10" print of our infant daughter indoors without flash and the print made by Walmart. I'm convinced that it will be some time before the equipment is to blame more than "the jerk behind the trigger" as one of my rifle club buddies likes to say.
My thoughts exactly. I sold my D2Hs to finance a D700 which I don't really regret, but I wish I still had it. I agree that it was probably the best DX body made. I did recently buy another D1x as a second back-up and remote body (third time I've bought a D1x, maybe I'll actually keep this one).
It is really nice to read these sorts of threads about the D2Hs, especially when I'm able to see what other folks can do with them. Helps me stay focused that right now I'm the limiting factor of my shots, not the equipment. I need to remind myself of this sometimes when I come down with a case of pixel or high ISO lust.