Just like the PC's. Obsolete every 12 months. For a camera company that designed all of it's bodies and lenses to be nonobsolesence. They sure seem to be replacing bodies relatively quick. (Not meant as a slam on Nippon HQ or anything)
Aaron J. Heiner Team Coast Guard Photographer US Department of Homeland Security
Forgot to mention that many of my images remain hidden, stored on the disk of my computer, never to see the light of the monitor screen again.
p.s.: on the composition, since I was shooting these images for one of my Porsche colleagues and I had full control over the placement of the vehicle (since I could tell my friend where to go ), this is a posed shot from a tripod, and it had better be composed.
It seems likely the D2 will be released by next summer. The price of the gray market D1X has fallen to only $2,200! At this rate it will be well under $2,000 before the end of this year. It makes a lot of sense that a new model is forthcoming. 5 megapixels could not remain as the state-of-the-art forever. Maybe the D2 will be at least 10 megapixels.
I know you will hate to read this, but A&M PhotoWorld just raised the price from $2,200 to $2,549. When I visited their website the other day the price was $2,200. I bought my Nikon Super CoolScan 4000 from them in early April. As I recall, the price was the same back then: $1,059. They shipped it immediately. The scanner box itself was placed in an additional outer box.
If you really want the D1X for $2,200, then wait a while longer. Sooner or later the price will have to decline, especially with the economy in such bad shape. Also, be aware this is a gray market price. This should NOT be a cause for concern. Read the story of my recent experience shipping a gray market F100 for service--Nikon honored the warranty regardless of where I bought the camera.
Thanks Mark, I just tried the link and it doesn't seem to work, perhaps I'll try again later. However, this price is very low that I'm reluctant to order. B&H and Adorama has the US D1X at $5500. Even Delta International, where i order all my grey market stuff, is still selling at almost $5000. I can't believe that a grey market camera could be had for 1/2 the price of a US one. I'm just concerned that this will turn out to be one of those "too good to be true" stories. Thanks, I'll check them out.
Quite a few mail order businesses advertise the D1X significantly below $5,000. I have seen a few of them advertise in this $2,000 - $2,800 range. If you have never ordered gray market, then you will not understand. I NEVER EVER pay the US price. It is not worth it, because you still get a warranty from Nikon stateside anyway.
The link I posted is working perfectly. Again, this is the same mail order place from where I bought my scanner for $1,059. Others are content to pay $1,500 for the US version. Look at the percentage discount there. It is sizeable, to say the least.
By the way, visit that link often. The price is fluctuating with demand and the yen. Today it is down to $2,479. I am tempted to order one myself. However, I don't really need a digital camera right now.
You can ignore most of those ratings, which I have seen before today. The experience is similar to contacting the Better Business Bureau--they always have numerous complaints on file for any business. Those things you can read on photo.net are true about every mail order business. I can tell you stories about others, including B&H, which many Nikonians respect, but why bother? Just order the merchandise and be happy.
just so you guys are aware, the $2200 D1X A&M is selling is the body only - no battery, charger, software, etc. and their shipping rate is something bizarre, like $100 or something. and the mack warranty they recommend to go with it is $700, when it's usually $180 everywhere else. kind of a weird set-up, if you ask me.
i was looking into it myself, but I ended up getting a good deal on a new D1H elsewhere, since the press work i use it for doesn't really require the extra resolution of the D1X.
The battery, charger, and software is $400 separately from B&H. The prices for those items were not listed on the A&M website, so I have listed the B&H prices. How important is the battery and charger? Can the camera be used with high quality Alkaline batteries? When visiting Costco I buy a pack of 16 Duracell Ultra AA batteries at $11 for use with my other Nikons. These are better than standard Alkaline batteries. They cost only about $1 more per pack.
You get a standard gray market one-year warranty with everything. If you want extra warranty coverage, you can buy it. I never buy extended warranties for anything. So that adds up to only $2,600. This is still much less than the $5,739.95 (after rebate!) that B&H advertises for the US version. The shipping probably reflects the international shipping cost. Anyone who can afford this camera won't be worried much about the shipping. For comparison, I examined the B&H FedEx Economy: $61.25 for shipping to Dallas.
Don't forget the A&M price will fluctuate with the yen. The link currently shows $2,349, down a bit from the earlier price. Watch the Bloomberg financial channel for yen forecasts, especially in the evening. Or, visit the Bloomberg website.
The more I discuss this camera, the more I want one. But not right now. H&R Block owes me $903 due to their error.
Hi Mark, the D1 cameras cannot use standard batteries, they only use the EN-4.
I'm usually not a big extra warranty fan myself, but for $140 I bought the Mack 3-year extended pro digital SLR warranty, which I think is a good investment considering after my Nikon one year warranty expires, even the smallest service on this camera would most likely cost at least what I paid for the warranty itself. As much as I respect Nikon, we're talking about a company whose lens hoods cost at least $15! Plus the warranty effectively gives you 4 years of coverage.
This thread piqued my curiosity enough to do some research. First, every reference I could find to A&M was really awful and apparently they are the same as Broadway Camera who are also consistently reported to be shady at best.
Doing a search on Ebay the only D1X's that I could find at that price point were factory refurbished. Are you quite certain that the advertised cameras are, in fact, new? In my experience if something seems too good to be true it usually is.
I can't really imagine a legit $2000 price difference between these guys and a reputable firm like B&H, gray market notwithstanding. On the other hand if the price is legit I would have to take a careful look.
>Hey, Patrick... > >How about a 12-14 megapixel camera, with all the goodies of >an F5, with a 8-10 fps capture rate, and at least a 50-60 >image buffer... > >Affordable Lexar 1.5 to 3 gig cards, and Epson printers that >will take your perfectly setup images and print them out, >with all your having to do is plug the camera into your >printer... >
>>Hey, Patrick... >> >>How about a 12-14 megapixel camera, with all the goodies of >>an F5, with a 8-10 fps capture rate, and at least a 50-60 >>image buffer... >> >>Affordable Lexar 1.5 to 3 gig cards, and Epson printers that >>will take your perfectly setup images and print them out, >>with all your having to do is plug the camera into your >>printer... >> > >My guess...June 2004
Hi Mark - just curious - have you shot with a D1X and made visual comparisons of the same scenes ?
I had a (too brief) chance a few weeks ago and was BLOWN away with the images quality at 8x10 - I have only an F100 so I can't compare somethings with an F5 but I understand it's flavor is similar to the D1x.
What kind of shooting do you do that you would need so much storage density anyway - if you're doing any on the fly editing, won't you save enough space repeatedly to keep the best shots and fit on a couple of cards or microdrives ? (I keep maybe 7 from a 36ex roll now).
No Lyle...I have not done any shooting with a D1 series..
I am definitely interested in a digital SLR someday..right now, my F5 still has lots of use coming, and until Nikon releases a D2, D3, or D4 with 10+ megapixels, and a FAST capture rate and fast write-to-disc write, I will patiently wait!!
I am basing my decision on Moose Peterson's talk about the D1H and D1X....according to the camera's specs and his talk, the D1H is faster than the D1x....the D1H is simply still too expensive, as I still need a few more lenses and a Gitzo tripod...
I have a fear of going click, click. click, and then the camera pauses while the data is written to the card.......
If that is so, then you might miss that shot of a lifetime while the camera is saving the images.
When Lexar makes a 3 or 4 gig media card that will hold 3K or 4k images, then I will be interested. I would not want to lug a laptop around on an African safari..thus one card that stores ALL images is attractive...
When my dream camera comes along (and I have no doubt that it will) I will buy a digital SLR, and keep my beloved F5 as a backup...
Finally, what I have seen with the D100 is that the fps and capture rate is about as slow as the D1x...
Now, you experienced D series users out there..please feel free to properly educate me on what may be my ignorance on the D1 series of cameras (but nicely, please!!)
>No Lyle...I have not done any shooting with a D1 series..
Try it ! Austin's a big place - someone will lend you one for a day.
> >I have a fear of going click, click. click, and then the >camera pauses while the data is written to the card....... >If that is so, then you might miss that shot of a lifetime >while the camera is saving the images.
Ahh yes, but instead of a couple of seconds in an (infrequent for me) burst situation, this usually happens to me for about 25 seconds at a time as I change film
>When Lexar makes a 3 or 4 gig media card that will hold 3K >or 4k images, then I will be interested. I would not want >to lug a laptop around on an African safari..thus one card >that stores ALL images is attractive...
That would take approximately 4-5 bricks of film to acheive, don't get a hernia lugging that around either
>When my dream camera comes along (and I have no doubt that >it will) I will buy a digital SLR, and keep my beloved F5 as >a backup... > >Finally, what I have seen with the D100 is that the fps and >capture rate is about as slow as the D1x...
Can't comment - but am interested in the inevitable comparisons. If I were shooting sports (as I once did with F2 and MD) and actually using burst modes I'd sure have the D1H instead of D1X for the point you note.
>Now, you experienced D series users out there..please feel >free to properly educate me on what may be my ignorance on >the D1 series of cameras (but nicely, please!!)
Me too. I've been reading on this forever and I'm buying in July...
>I have a fear of going click, click. click, and then the >camera pauses while the data is written to the card...
Actually you'd go click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click with a D1h before the camera would pause to write data to the card.
>If that is so, then you might miss that shot of a lifetime >while the camera is saving the images.
The camera only 'locks up' when the buffer is completely full: leave it long enough for it to have written, say, three images to the card and you can take another three. In practice, as Lyle said, you'd loose far more time changing film than you would waiting for the buffer to empty.
>When Lexar makes a 3 or 4 gig media card that will hold 3K >or 4k images, then I will be interested.
Would you really want to put all your eggs in one basket? Suppose you lost the card or formatted it by mistake....
>Finally, what I have seen with the D100 is that the fps and >capture rate is about as slow as the D1x...
If you rely on the 8fps of the F5 then this would be a snag. Personally I've never come close to the limits of my D1 (which gives me 10 shots at 4.5fps in RAW mode) even when photographing birds in flight, and I use some old SanDisk CF cards which are amongst the slowest out there.
> >Would you really want to put all your eggs in one basket? >Suppose you lost the card or formatted it by mistake....
My eggs in one basket??? hmmmmmmm....loose it???? Only if a person is either clusmy or careless.....On a number of smaller trips, I have yet to loose one roll of film.......If I indeed place all of my images on a single large disc, I can assure that that I would be extra vigilant in caring for it...and if my skills are not improved enough to prevent an accidental reformat of a disc, then I will not be taking a digital SLR on an expensive trip to begin with...Heck, a person could do that with a current disc full of images!!!!
I would never take any camera (film OR digital) on ANY trip where I was not 100% confident that I knew exactly how my camera works. I still remember the stories that I heard at the 2000 NANPA conference here in Austin, where people like Joseph van Os and Gil Lopez-Espina told me of people who had paid mega thousands for African Safaris, and they showed up with brand new gear..and not a clue as to how to use it....
In closing, my comments above are not to say that I will never own a digital SLR...Someday I WILL own one...maybe the rumored D2 next summer or a D3 right after that..Digital SLR's, like anything else, will get better, faster, and cheaper...and when people like Lexar DO make 3 and 4 gig storage cards, I bet that few people will still schlepp around numerous cards after that....
In closing, Alan, thanks for your reply!!! Now, before you reply, be sure to rest you fingers after typing all of those clicks.
The point was just that no matter how careful you are accidents can happen, cards or disks can fail or become corrupted (although that's extremely rare), and it's better not to risk loosing everything. You back your computer up, I hope?
Hence my own preference to carry several lower capacity cards rather than one large one. Even when cards get large enough that I'm able to shoot several hundred pictures without the need to change I'll still carry two on long trips and shoot alternate days with each.
Actually cards are more corruptable than one might think. I was going through CF cards and SM cards weekly when I was working retail(Memory Stick was the worst) I would have to demo the digital cameras using 32meg cards, and about every 8 days either the CF or SM card would go. Ok, so that's more like 16 days of use.
Personally I like the idea of a write once read many CF digital card film. Kodak said they would sell I think it wasa three pack of 128meg cards for 10 bucks, downside is they are write once.
Aaron J. Heiner Team Coast Guard Photographer US Department of Homeland Security
#33. ""Hi, I saw your ad for the camera for $2,000..." | In response to Reply # 32
Thu 25-Jul-02 12:20 AM
now,that is a Nikon D1? Right?" "That's right." "Wow, what a great price. I'd like to place an order, please." "Sure. Now, will you be needing anything else with that? You probably need some batteries." "It doesn't come with batteries?" "No." "Okay. How much for batteries?" "Let's see. I think we have a deal on that right now. Yeah... $450 for the Nimh and we got a good sale on Nicads... only $195. So I'll write you up for 2?" "Did you say $450 for batteries?" "Alright that's 1 Nimh. Now your going to need some lenses." "Wait... I've got lenses already. A lot of good Nikon lenses. I don't need lenses." "Sure, you do... YOU KNOW HOW MANY GREAT LENSES NIKON MAKES? Ah, come on, a professional like yous-self gonna need lenses. We got a great one on sale right now.... it's the ah... 15-89mm AFS G lens that we got a shipment just now..." "Nikon makes a 15-89?" "Nicon makes it. Yeah... I'll put you down for 1... now, you're gonna need a case..." "Ah... actually can I just get the camera please... I don't need..." "Ah, don't fucking waste my time... now give me your credit card number..." "Ah... I really don't want..." "##### you, you loser! Why you fucking wasting my time when I have so many other clients on the phone!" CLICK.
Well as you can see ksokool has spoken and explained the situation very well. Many, many years ago B.A.F.(BEFORE AUTO FOCUS)I overheard a conversation in a store where the woman wanted to purchase a Nikon F3 and the salesman told her the FINDER was extra. I wanted a haliburton case .........saw it for one price in magazine......went to store and it was more money.......why? "The price in the magazine was without the foam". MD-12 for FM2........"That doesn`t include the battery pack". Strange how when I asked them to sell me these items without foam/battery case.........the refused. Black body FM2......"you don`t want that because it`ll show up all the scratches and you`ll get less when you sell it". My response: "I DIDN`T EVEN BUY THE CAMERA YET AND YOU HAVE ME SELLING IT!" Now you know why Modern Photography with there watchdog policy and dropping ad`s went under.