All the sites say the street price for the EOS 10d will be around 1499. Pentax is also bringing out a 6 MP SLR. Will the D100 go down? I am hoping to buy another D100 and give it to my girlfriend. How long to wait?
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I would like to see a D100x (improved D100) that includes Nikon Capture (why isn't this included already?) for $1500. Unfortunately, this would force Nikon to lower the prices of its Coolpix cameras as a 5700 would no longer be worth $1200.
I was thinking about this myself. Nikon will have no choice but to lower the price. After all, canon have just improved their camera and reduced the price by 500 (or is it 700?) USD. Of course, Nikon may have their own tricks up their sleeve, I guess PMA will give us some ideas on that.
Don't count on it, at best, Nikon will keep the price on the D-hundred the same, but will include a mail in rebate (USA only probably since it appears that Nikon does not does not do the international community any justice!) No doubt this will happen in the spring, with a D100 replacement in the fall. Nikon likes to do the rebate thing on Coolpix cameras just before they are going OOP, I can see them following the trend with the D-hundred as well (I know it's not a CP! ) As I recall the original D1 had a rebate just shy of the release of the D1x, and D1h. As for a flat price drop, don't count on it Nikon seems to run under the "If it's too expensive, then you can't afford it, go shoot with someone else!" mentality.
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In the UK, there was a Christmas promotion for top 4-5 Consumer DigiCams e.g. 5700, 5000 etc. and also for the D100.
The D100 was offered with a coupon for a 1GB Microdrive. I applied for this and it arrived within a week.
The D100 was bundled with a 'free' MB-D100 grip and also a starter CF card (32MB).
There have also been offers on a D100 body with some of the zoom lens e.g. 24-85 3.5/4.5 where the 'extra' for the zoom is about 1/3 off.
I bought a D100 + 'free' MB-D100 + 'promotion' 1GB Microdrive at the best price I could find, and I 'agreed' with the dealer to buy the 24-85 for the difference later if required.
After using the D100 for a month, I also bought the 24-85 lens (for the difference between the kit and body only).
In the UK the SRP has been reduced and the street price of the D100 body has been reduced. The offers of a 1GB Microdrive has finished and the body + grip offer seems to have not be be replaced with a buy a body and get the MB-D100 at a reduced price offer. The price of D100 with a lens does not get a 'kit' price.
Overall the price of the D100 body is down, but the price of 'what you need' has increased. Getting the price of the body down must be good for everyone because apart from real enthusiasts the digital bodies are still seen as too expensive which denies many the entry into the market.
I also waited, 'researched' and bought at the lowest online price that I could find, eventually from Digital Depot in Stevenage UK.
That was at 1548 GB pounds sterling, and included an MB-D100, together with the 1GB Microdrive 'gift' from Nikon UK. I also bought the 24-85 3.5/4.5 AFS at 309 pounds. Digital Depot now have the D100 body at 1399 pounds, and an offer of 100 pounds off the 'usual' MB-D100 price of 249 pounds, giving a total of, what a surprise, 1548 pounds!
Just goes to show that you can never really judge the market (just like stocks/shares!), and that different techniques/deals will always be used to market consumer (or even prosumer) goods. Have used and enjoyed the D100 and 24-85 extensively over the past month and keep being amazed by it, but have not used the MB-D100, as rechargeable Ni-MH AA batteries will not work. Wish now that I held held off a month (or had pressed for an 'unbundled deal' without the MB-D100) and used the extra 149 pounds to put towards another lens.
If you go to DPREVIEW, they have a press release touting that the Kodak 14 has finally be shipped and that "Street price is determined by the sellar." The release goes on to say that because of high demand Kodak expects most sellars to have their street price "close to the $4,995 retail price."
So, since street price for the 10D is determined by demand, I think the inital asking price will be closer to $1700 and then move down as demand wanes. Nikon will either drop the price of the D100 or introduce it's replacement at about the same price level as the 10D.
Nikon didn't announce any important news at last Photokina and it's very silent just few days before PMA. The only D-SLR with Nikon body is coming from Kodak and it has pretty good resolution and pretty good price compared to EOS-1Ds and D-1X. So I think that Nikon should reconsider D-1X and D100 prices or will lose some market unless they have a secret product.
On last december I was going to buy a D100, however when I heard that Canon D60 was discontinued, I postponed my purchase because 2003 surely will bring great news. The big disadvantage of D-SLR is the fast obsolescence. I keep my Olympus OM-1 (25 years) and OM-2S (15 years) who are my work horses as my N80 is also, however, my 2 years old C-2100UZ digital is asking loudly to be replaced...
>Nikon didn't announce any important news at last Photokina >and it's very silent just few days before PMA. The only >D-SLR with Nikon body is coming from Kodak and it has pretty >good resolution and pretty good price compared to EOS-1Ds >and D-1X. So I think that Nikon should reconsider D-1X and >D100 prices or will lose some market unless they have a >secret product. > >On last december I was going to buy a D100, however when I >heard that Canon D60 was discontinued, I postponed my >purchase because 2003 surely will bring great news. The big >disadvantage of D-SLR is the fast obsolescence. I keep my >Olympus OM-1 (25 years) and OM-2S (15 years) who are my work >horses as my N80 is also, however, my 2 years old C-2100UZ >digital is asking loudly to be replaced... > >j.a.
Well, just because Nikon may or may not release a new "D100" doesn't mean that my present D100 will stop working or refuse to take pictures. In fact, my Nikon D100 will produce better and better pictures over time because my skills will increase ...
First I thought that a new kid on the block would make me dislike the D100, but I'm very pleased with it. I'll save my $1500 ( estimated price of new version of D100) and spend them on the new VR lenses instead.
My D100 will be in service for a long time, like the OM-1 and the OM-25 that you own. My D100 will probably not be in service after 25 years but he who lives can tell ...
The 10D. Ritz is making pre-sales pricing announcements to "capture" as much of the early-adopter market as possible with deposits and waiting lists. With their relatively large distribution channel, they're almost certain to get a good chunk of the initial production run...
>The 10D. Ritz is making pre-sales pricing announcements to >"capture" as much of the early-adopter market as possible >with deposits and waiting lists. With their relatively large >distribution channel, they're almost certain to get a good >chunk of the initial production run...
According to the Canon rep at PMA they'll be available much sooner and more widely than before. He said they got caught flat-footed on other releases, so have a warehouse with (if I recall correctly) 7,000 units stocked and ready for shipment. He made it sound like 10Ds would be on store shelves in a matter of days...not months.
The question has been asked a billion times on this forum whether to buy a D100 or wait and it is usually answered with a resounding YES DO IT NOW!!. With the inevitable price drop on the way I find myself poised to buy. Here's my new dilemma: Say the D100 comes down to $1500-- how long do you think it will it be before Nikon announces a product that will drive the D100 price down yet again, or put the D100 into the obsolete pile? Is there anyone else thinking like this? Should I just take the plunge the moment I have the chance? I'm having a blast with my N80 and slides but am wondering how much money I'd be saving shooting tons of digital and only shooting slides when the occasion demands the films chemistry. That's something else that's on my mind-- the whole noise and CCD/CMOS issue. Will it be years before we can really use a Nikon DSLR in a similar fashion as a camera loaded with Provia (ie, 10 minute exposures etc)? Wondering if I really need to be posting this right now... Guess I'm just getting ansy. After all, $1500 is still a boat load of money. Thanks for reading, Robin
My opinion would be to just get it if it comes down to $1,500. There would always be better products coming out so if you keep waiting you will end up never getting anything. During the waiting period you would have missed a lot of picture opportunities with the D100. I went with the D100 and don't have any regrets.
right on. I read many posts regretting accelerated "obsolescence" of digital hardware, and arguing that continuous price decreases during lifetime of a model discourages from buying.
That argument is flawed. The right price of an item at any one time is the price that a user (or x users) is ready to pay for a set of features and services. If you "NEED" (or desperately want) a digital SLR today, buy one today, at today's price.
For professionals, ROI will be linked to their production and their sales. With digital, productivity increases so much that ROI is accelerated in most professional situations. Or, less optimistic, requirements from publishers, media and agencies are now such that professionals would put their revenues in jeopardy by postponing their transition to 100% digital workflow. The earlier you are in a position to respond to the market's expectations, the more revenue you will get and/or the more chances you will have to maintain or increase your market share (or even to just survive).
For amateurs, replace ROI by pleasure (a much better position to be in), and check how much you value that pleasure. That is the right price. Postponing purchase decisions every 6 months because next generation of products at new price points are expected, deprives you from that x amount of pleasure during that time. Again, up to you to value the "loss".
There is no reason for the digital photography industry to behave any different than the IT industry at large (computers, printers, storage media, interfaces, etc, etc). I was not wrong to invest in a G3/400MHz 3 years ago, simply because I have been using it intensively ever since. It has been a valuable tool. I must now decide if it is completely written off and if I should invest in equivalent price 1Ghz G4, or if the G3 still is good enough for the tasks at hand.
Same will go on for years and years for the DSLR industry. My D100 was worth every cent of the 3,000 EUR I paid when I bought it, even if it will soon be marked down at under 2,000 EUR. Those 1,000 EUR were a fair price to pay for the services it has given me during the months I have been using it. In 2-3 years time, I'll evaluate whatever is on offer at that 3,000 EUR price point, and buy it if the new features and new performance justify the new investment.
Used hardware resale value is a notion to forget in the new photographic world.
Ok, you have reminded us one of the capitalism principles and its game consists in offer a wide range of products to compete between themselves and for every manufacturer to improve their products to make people to spend their money, this is what some calls consume society and it is as old as capitalism is.
Anyway we are talking about obsolescence of cameras and there is a reason because I think that the argument about "regretting accelerated "obsolescence" of digital hardware, and arguing that continuous price decreases during lifetime of a model discourages from buying" is not flawed at all.
First milestone for digital cameras is to fit 35mm quality. Some experts says that it will happens with 11-13 megapixels sensors that are begining to be offered. However there is another milestone which is price compared to 35mm cameras and probably the final milestone would be to have the preference from most film shooters.
D100 is a good selling machine because it offers great performance for F5 price, so if anbody planned to buy a F5, there can be a possibility to switch to a DSLR if he can get enchanted, as a matter of fact, when I switched to Nikon I didn't buy a F100 or F5 having the money, I preferred to buy a N80 plus 3 lenses and wait for a best priced DSLR than D1X, then D100 appeared. I haven't bought it yet because it's not available in my country and sadly I don't have any abroad trip scheduled yet. Maybe if I wait a while I could save some bucks as I did when I bought my first digital camera where I saved $300 in two months. In fact, if D100 price falls to $1500, the extra money will pay my trip to USA.
I don't desperately want a D100, perhaps because I don't make money from my pictures. If I were a Pro, probably it would have more than a couple of bodies and they would produce enough money to pay themselves at any price I would bought them. I'm an advanced amateur and I have to work a lot to get my money and for me is more pleasant to save $500 after a couple of months wait than to pay extra $500 for the pleasure of shooting sooner. If I could had a lot of money to spent, I wouldn't thinking in D100 or D1x, I already would have a EOS-1Ds that probably I would change for a Nikon "D1s"