I am looking forward to what happens. And if it is a new camera, I am looking forward to Bjorn's evaluations. If he can get his hands on one for a few days, I am sure that he will post some interesting photos and incite.
>They are obviously going to rely on him heavily IMHO to >promote whatever it is they are unveiling
Really, what's your source inside Nikon marketing dept? According to him there are 350 journos there. Do you really believe they are just going there to copy down what he says ? Their editors won't be best pleased since they could have saved a fortune in travel expenses.
He also says that a D3H due early 08 and D3X late 08 (under his Nikon roadmap predictions). So only a D300 out tomorrow ?
>Who is Bjorn? And since when did he become the go to guy for Nikon?
Bjorn is a professional photographer in Europe who specializes in landscapes, macros, IR, and "experimental" photography.
Since he isn't a rep., you are right, he has no weight on company happenings; however, he conducts very non-biased reviews of the equipment he uses. He also pushes for Nikon to make more "D" lenses (with aperture rings), something that I like very much. I would love for Nikon to at least announce optional "aperture ring conversion kits" --but I digress.
So far, when I research a lens, I rely heavily on his evaluations. I picked up an old "consumer" 200mm F4 Nikkor AI prime for $46 because he rated it a 4.5 to 5 out of 5, and sure enough it has quickly became my favorite lens.
I also found his D200 (and D2h) reviews of long-exposure photography to be very informative. Most people do lens cap tests, but Bjorn takes his gear outside for real world examples. He generally puts the camera to different tests than dpreview and Thom Hogan, and his insites are welcomed by landcape photographers.
So that's who he is . Go ahead and check his site out, it is very good.
---------------------------- Nikon: Don't forget some of us still prefer to use an aperture ring!
>They are obviously going to rely on him heavily IMHO to >promote whatever it is they are unveiling
It is clear Bjorn Rorslett's opinions are heavily weighed upon by many Nikon shooters and probably Nikon itself. But I have always got the feeling this was owed to his honesty and strict adherence to rational methods and intellectual acumen (on top of his obvious talent and experience).
In this case "intellectual acumen" means being forthcoming with all conclusions with strong attempts to quell one's enthusiasm or bias while simultaneously making such bias as transparent as possible. This means his version of "promoting" doesn't marry well with common variants found in marketing machines, so I wonder how effective he would be in this role.
Plus ever heard the phrase 'never put all your eggs in one basket' - if they do use 'professionals' from around the world, not just from inside Japan (might happen you know), the emphasis will be on plural not singluar. They would have well known wedding,portrait,sport,pj etc photographers not just someone who shoots nature or whatever especially on the remote chance that they release a sports version (turbocharger,alloy wheels etc will be optional extras !!!!).
I don't trust anyone whose website is as terrible as Ken Rockwell, and besides... the only camera Nikon would be smart putting out first is the D3h. The D2h was old when it was introduced and has been behind for almost four years. The D200 is just now becoming two years old and isn't in need of an update.
The only reason a D300 would be welcomed is if it replaces the D3h in specs and build quality. It better shoot 8fps or more and have 10.2 MP or more. Then the D3 could come at FF or something. Other than that there is no D300 coming tomorrow or anytime soon. Nikon needs that D3 or D3h to be unveiled first, and reclaim all the lost sports journalist and action shooters.
Why couldn't they do both at once? Look at the D80 and D200: They use essentially the same sensor and no doubt much of the electronics system is common between the two. Same with the D50 and D70. It makes perfect sense to come out with two bodies that have the same basic sensor but differ in things such as the AF system, viewfinder, frame rate, buffering capability, flash, build, etc. Those things have a substantial effect on the body cost and are, to a large degree, the things that distinguish pro bodies from amateur bodies.
I wouldn't be surprised if two cameras with the same basic sensor capability but different body capabilities are announced at the same time, especially if there is a substantial change in sensor capability, such as live view or dramatically better noise or DR performance. (But I'm not predicting any of that; I surely don't know what will happen!)
Sure, No Problem. It will all be public knowledge in a couple of hours now.
But, in all fairness, Nikon has done a very smart job of leaking some info to various sources to build the excitement. It says their marketing is very smart. I own a company with facilities and resources in Europe, America, Asia and Australia. I have some contact that I do believe are reliable and are direct. I sure don't know all the details, but I believe that what I have stated are facts. Just not universally know facts for a couple of hours yet.
And, I was also smart enough ( and dropped a LOT of money at) to get Nikon Thailand to promise me 6 months ago that WHENEVER a D3 was released, this year, next year, or 2009 I'd get the first non demo D3 they sale in Thailand. I have friends in Japan and at Nikon MFR facilities Thailand. I could have been lied to, but these are first hand reports to me from people that should be in the know. I sincerely believe that these ARE facts.
But, your point is well taken. One thing business has taught me it that even with a signed and noterized contract, don't believe anything UNTIL the CHECK HAS CLEARED. (G)
D2X -- The meaning of life. D2X & D200 -- Having it all.
I don't trust anything that Ken Rockwell says either, but what does that have to do with Bjorn. Please do not dump Bjorn in the same category as Ken Rockwell!
Just guessing, I think that if there is one camera that is in need of an update it is the D2H. I am not a MP hound, but at only 4MP it is fairly dated in today's marketplace. The D2H needs a D3H more than anything else needs a new upgrade.
But you may be correct. Maybe the D300 is what they have ready now. It may have the new Sony 12.4MP sensor as its major improvement to keep pace above the 40D. But I cannot see Bjorn traveling to Japan for just a D200 announcement....we shall see...
Didnt he say in his write up from a couple days ago that the D2H was the only DSLR NOT to meet up to Nikon's expectations in sales...but the D200 surpassed there expectations. What I found interesteding was that he said (in terms of an upcoming announcment) "re-read those last two sentenses very carefully" Later adding that when Nikon makes there big announcment, people will be upset because they will see lsss Mp than Canon's 22mp Pro DSLR that was just announced. He goes on to say that they will be comparing the wrong Nikon with the wrong Canon. Still saying that there will be a new Nikon 'pro body' out next year. Last thing... he spoke of a new full frame Nikon DSLR like it was common knowlege. So tomorrow (or whenever the announcment is) will be very interesting. I guess in going by what he has said (or not said) I was thinking a new full Frame 12 mp D300 may be on its way. None the less,I bought the D200 the first day it arrived. It continues to be my back-up to my D2H. The camera was a disappointment and I decided from now on I'll stay a generation behind Nikon's 'latest and greatest' so they have time to get the kinks worked out. (I bought a D2Xs last week) But I stiil cant 'wait to see what happens!'
Not that I don't trust Ken... I just don't think he is important enough to listen to. I would trust any one on this site before Ken (who wrote a piece about photogs wasting their time commenting to posts on the internet, yet writes some lame stuff himself). And I have this thing about bad websites. It's like your portfolio, so take the time to make it look good. If its bad then I feel the same way about your images.
That's all besides the point though. I don't know too much about Bjorn so I don't know what he has to do with a Nikon announcement. If they called Dave Black (who shot most of the first shots with the new CLS system along with Joe Buissink) then I would be interested.
Thom Hogan writes some of the best how-to books for Nikon gear, and makes the most sense (unlike Ken). They can both shoot pretty good, but once you start entering the world of the web and multimedia, you can't come with the same old stuff, and your own speculation. Thom wanted the D3 to be a camera with modular backs. It was what he thought would be a good thing, not what he expected, and I understand his point, but taking off the entire back of your camera wouldn't make too much sense in a world where dust is a major problem in DSLRs.
Bjorn wasn't called for a D300 which would replace a 20 month old camera when Nikon has a 48 month old camera beginning to be decommissioned. I don't know why anyone would be begging for a D300 anyway.
My speculation is that it will be a D3H or something for the sport shooters. If it's 10 or 12MP and better high ISO noise I'll be the first to buy one. I don't need and surely don't want to work with 22MP files. Can you imagine that file sizes in RAW???? eeeeek!!!
The rumours of the minimum 200 ISO, I think, gives it away.
I stand corrected but isn't the D2H/D2Hs the oldest camera in Nikon's line up?
Here is South Africa Nikon has no stock of the D200, D2Xs & D2Hs...
Makes one think...
I am checking Google News, Nikon's global site and Nikonians every 15 minutes! I am so excited!!!! (maybe for nothing.)
Whatever it is, if it's a pro body and 10MP or better I'll buy it!!!!
I will not buy a D80s though!
And maybe we will hear about a SB880 speedlight with iTTL III with even better CLS!
Come on Nikon - Give it to me!!! Not more pixels, I don't care about full frame, and please please please, better noise performance!!!
Leave live view out, no need for that, and something similar to Canon's focus adjustment thingie for different lenses... That's all I'm asking!!!
I wouldn't mind if Nikon introduced both a D3 and a D300. That can only be a good thing, maybe a sign of the R&D cycle speeding up.
A DSLR is only a computer with a viewfinder, 2 years is a long time. If they introduce the D3 and D300 now, the cameras will be available in 3-6 months and that will make the D200 over 2 years old model too.
I'd really love to see some new stuff. And after that we can start speculating and telling rumors about a D400.
The difference between a "computer with a viewfinder" and a computer is that the "computer with a viewfinder" still takes pictures of the same quality it did when you bought it. A computer is made obsolete only by new software which comes out and won't run on the old hardware due to memory or CPU usage.
This does not apply to cameras where there is no degradation of performance relative to the task at hand.
Do better cameras come out? Sure. Do the old ones cease to function or take lower quality pictures than before? No.
Hmm, I still know people that are still running Windows 95 on an old Pentium 133. It works with the same software just as good as it did 10 years ago. What is the difference with an older model camera that still works? Why is a camera different from a computer in this regard exactly? I am not sure that I follow.
I think the point of the previous post is that computers have a history of rapid improvements so it would make sense that 2 years for a "computer with a viewfinder" is a reasonable release cycle too.
>Just guessing, I think that if there is one camera that is >in need of an update it is the D2H. I am not a MP hound, >but at only 4MP it is fairly dated in today's marketplace. >The D2H needs a D3H more than anything else needs a new >upgrade. > >But you may be correct. Maybe the D300 is what they have >ready now. It may have the new Sony 12.4MP sensor as its >major improvement to keep pace above the 40D. But I cannot >see Bjorn traveling to Japan for just a D200 >announcement....we shall see...
I don't own a D200, but I have one at work. Given the price/performance, I wouldn't recommend anyone to buy a D2X over a D200 unless they had a really clear need for it: in other words, a serious and highly skilled amateur, or a professional who needed speed or ruggedness or both. I love my D2X, but for most people the D200 is a more appropriate camera, including many professionals and many very serious amateurs.
I would welcome a D300 first. In terms of how the market works, the D300 would be a much more natural upgrade path for D40(x), D50 and D80 users, who are the bulk of Nikon's buyers. What's more, if priced to sell, I might well buy one as a second body. I can't see myself buying a D3 anything for a long time unless some overwhelming professional need crops up which I can't even imagine.
This reminds me of when I was 5 years old and waiting for Santa to arrive. I'm as excited as anyone, but I'm nervous that some of the specs seem exaggerated -- so much so that many will be dissapointed when the Press Release hits the wire.
Honestly, if a month ago today, someone were to have said a 12MP, DX sensor, 10fps with fantastic noise at ISO6400 were to arrive at the end of August, most of us would have been happy and expected something like that to compete with the focus-challenged MKiii. But now with rumors of a 36mm, RGB sensor with ISO25600 and increased DR -- I'm nervous, the rumor-makers have set the expectations of some too high.
A few more hours... I'm pretty excited. I won't be buying one though... my NAS is under control. Well, at least until they hit the shelves at B&H.
To me, 12MP and high speed (12FPS) in APS format sounds like the new Sony chip, and a good candidate for a D300 (not really due for another year), or better yet a D3H (due now, or perhaps overdue by some expectations)
For a D2X replacement, I would expect 20+ MP, increased dynamic range and low noise at high ISO, Full Frame, and of course, new lenses.
D800 I still own an F100; do you think film will make a comeback?
I'm eagerly awaiting this in a little over an hour from now (AU time), as I have been looking for a cheap D200 or s) for a while now, and I can see that the bargain bins should be filling with many 2x varieties after the D3 is announced...