Help me to get this straight guys, the DX HSC mode on the predicted D3 means the DX lenses are fully compatible with D3's DX HSC mode? Are we going to lose anything with a DX lens on a D3 that is set to DX HSC mode?
>Help me to get this straight guys, the DX HSC mode on the >predicted D3 means the DX lenses are fully compatible with >D3's DX HSC mode? Are we going to lose anything with a DX >lens on a D3 that is set to DX HSC mode?
If I answer this question, please don't assume that I know any more about the D3 than JRP posted - I don't
If the D3 has a DX-size HSC mode, then I would be confident that Nikon would implement it so that DX lenses will work just the same as they do on a current DX body. Speculating, perhaps some fancy electronics is possible, which switches the camera to HSC automatically when a DX lens is mounted...?
I hope that any HSC electronics allowed for an override. Specifically, as you know, DX lenses can be used on a FF sensor without vignetting at some focal lengths. It would be nice to be able to use at least some of my 12-24 range at 1.1 crop. Assuming I could get to 16mm without vignetting, on a 1.1 crop lets say an 18mm equivalent this will give me the same angle as at 12mm on a DX sensor but with a 20MP image not 12.
The D2x has a HSC mode which records half the viewfinder area at 6MP at a faster rate of 8 fps instead of the normal 12 MP. If a D3 comes and it is 18MP FF my forecast is 1/ There will be a 66% high speed crop mode to allow use of DX lenses at 12 MP capture. 2/ The FF bodies will be able to recognise current DX lenses from the CPU chip, applying a 66% HSC mode automatically. 3/ On the D2xs in HSC the unused area of the viewfinder is grayed out - a FF Nikon is likely to work similar.
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> There will be a 66% high speed crop mode to allow use of DX lenses at 12 MP capture.
I think it would have to be done by area, and the 66% is by linear dimension (ie 23 is 66% of the 36mm wide frame, and the DX short side of 15mm is 66% of the 24mm high frame). Therefore the DX crop would be (23x15) / (36x24) = 39% of the pixels of the full sensor. If the main sensor is 20mp, the DX crop mode would be 8mp or thereabouts.
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In Singapore the 12-24 is now going for S$1,080 which is just over US$700 - perhaps they know something. I was contemplating buying one but just now cannot see the point in buying a lens which may soon become a white elephant. Come on Nikon please tell us where you are taking us...
I am also a wee bit concerned that my two month old 17-55mm may about to become a sub-optimal piece of equipment. I guess I should just enjoy using it and forget NAS
A forlorn wish - if it comes I just hope the D3 (what a resonant name that is) is current for several years only to be superceded by a D3HP which will run till forever till I'm old and grey.
Personally I would gladly trade FF hyperpixel developments to improved high ASA performance and film like dynamic range. My hard drive is getting full fast enough!
Good luck with the D3!
William Symonds D200 and F3 owner and someday D300HP XS GT turbo owner Bogor, West Java
Thanks for the tip. I will just have to take nostalgic street photos of people peering into camera shop windows and taking test shots of brick walls... it'll be the closest I can get to a D3 for a while..
I have totally bought into the D3 concept and put my name down for one at AJ Purdey last week (now looking like a £4000 camera not £3000!). My comment was that I just don't see myself using it with any DX lenses. I make large prints and usually re-size to images more than 1Gb thus starting pixels count for me.
I just can't wait for my 28mm 1.4 to be wide and my 85mm 1.4 to be a little less long. The 17-35 was never long enough for me on my D2x so I opted for the 12-24 that I like very much.
Other than those rare occasions when I have needed an even faster fps, when all is said an done, high speed cropping is a wonderful way to sell, er, a cropped picture.
In summary I believe that many of us will end up owning a D2x and a D3. In this case to have one's cake and to eat it too, you really need two cakes.
The exact reason i just picked up a 17-35mm F2.8, just looking to the future a bit. It will be very interesting to see what Standard zoom appears with the D3, making such a major change theres bound to be one! Saw somewhere on the net, (The jungle drums are banging hard now!) That there is suppposed to be a 50MM F1.2 and a 24-120 F2.8!!! Latter i just can't see as feasable, Maybe it would cover 120MM with Dx crop? More likley a 24-80MM F2.8 in which case everyones existing 12-24's would still be pretty useful methinks from 15/16-24 actually being wider (equivalent, don't want to get into that argument!) than it is on a current Dx body. Anyway all idle speculation really, i'm not buying a D3 whatever it has under the bonnet but the D200 successor is on my cards or the one they won't do because i want it a Digital F6 (well i can dream can't i?) Who's to say what the D200 upgrade would have as a sensor? If and when the D3 lands Nikon needs to set out a clear direction here methinks as Folks don't like buying into uncertainty, easier with one sensor format but with two? three? more? Canon did it and they seem to have done a reasonable job here of what sensor size matches which purpose. Nikon needs to do the same but i still feel the Canons three sensor sizes is one too far... Cheers Jules.
So they bring out a D3X prototype, that does not means a lot, Nikon make lots of prototypes. As far I can see, judging from Focus UK show, there is not a great call for 35mm gear, interest, yes but marketing interest, little.