I am thinking of pulling the trigger (or is it firing the shutter?) on a D2Xs. The wife says it's just for the "prestige" of owning the camera and I am slightly inclined to agree with her. I had the opportunity to play with one for a few minutes on the last ANPAT and it was instant love though I am not sure I can quantify it. The viewfinder is amazing, so big, bright and clear. It makes the D200 look like I am viewing through a straw and the extra info up the side is nice. I like the idea of the hopefully more accurate WB with the sensor up top.
The megapixels really mean nothing to me 12 vs 10 isn't that big an increase but I understand that the noise is better on the D2xs at the higher ISOs. I like the idea of the grip being part of the camera so I don't have to put it on/remove it though it will add to the weight/size.
I would be losing the pop-up flash and the intervalometer functions but I rarely use those anyway.
The D200 would become my backup when travelling.
So talk me out of it or talk me into it. NAS is really tugging at me on this one.
"Form factor" (I prefer "size and shape" when I'm not talking memory cards or motherboards) is, to at least some portion of the market, a big downside with the D2 bodies. You have a forced gain in size and weight where a body with an optional grip can offer as much or more capability with more flexibility. In fact, the built in grip is the primary negative that keeps me from considering a D2Xs.
The biggest attraction to me of the D2X is not 8fps that I'd never use. It's not an incrementally better viewfinder. It's not an inconsequential 2 megapixels. It's the AF system with nine cross type sensors (the D200 has but one). Nikon could make me happy by putting the D2-series AF system in a D200s update.
>an optional grip can offer as much or more capability with >more flexibility. In fact, the built in grip is the primary >negative that keeps me from considering a D2Xs.
I guess I feel the opposite way. I almost always put the grip on my D200 when using it handheld. The only reason I take it off is for tripod use because of the wiggle I percieve in the mating of the grip to the camera. Since I am going to add that weight anyway for handheld use it doesn't bother me if it's always there since I won't have to constantly be removing the grip and installing the l-bracket or removing the l-bracket and installing the grip.
>If the D200 had the same autofocus engine and focus point >layout as the D2X/H, I would probably have a D200 right not >as oppose to a D2X.
Me too, if it had also been anounced a year earlier -- nonetheless, I couldn't be happier with the D2X. Several respected Nikonians would prefer a 'lighter' D2H/X, but I personally love the extra weight -- we're all different. I think it helps me to steady the camera, feels solid and it is more rugged because the weight comes from the metal body.
Well I certainly don't need it. It's just a hobby. I do enjoy creating high quality photographs of family events just because I can. It's a good feeling to be able to provide pictures that aren't dark or full of redeye or all the other things that P&S cameras are so good at.
I don't do any of this professionally although I have contemplated getting into shooting local area horse shows. Seems like an easy gig, if there is such a thing. Spend a day in the sunshine, take a bunch of pictures, post them on the web and let people buy the prints from you. The photogs I have seen doing this seem to be very busy when it comes time to sell the prints. Parents love good pictures of their kids.
But that's a future thing and my D200 is certainly up to that task.
Maybe the money would be better spent on good glass. But except for some primes I think I almost have that covered. I don't know if primes really fit my needs anyway. My 12-24 and 70-200 are both supposed to be good lenses and I am eyeing the venerable 28-70 2.8 to fill in the middle. I have the 18-200 for general purpose stuff. It's a great lens for family gatherings where I can shoot wide or zoom in on an individual person even in a large room.
And I have my support covered with a good Gitzo tripod and M10 ballhead.
Basically it's because I can afford it and I can't really think of a reason why I shouldn't. So yeah, it's definitely a "want" item.
Photography and computers are my two hobbies so that's where my expendable money goes. The wife doesn't seem to have a problem with it. I guess if I changed my mind later I could always sell it, right?
I have a D2X and D2H. I am looking at getting a D200 so I can have something smaller to use at times.
If you have any anticipation of shooting low light and/or fast action perhaps you may want to consider the D2Hs. Some think that the D2X/Xs has the abilities of the D2H/Hs within it. This is not the case though. You have already said, that the megapixels are pretty meaningless. You already have the D200 for your uber megapixel needs. I haven't been too thrilled with the D2X at high ISOs. The D2Hs would bring you speed and high ISO performance. It could be said that the D2Hs brings more favorable differences to the table when compared to your D200 then the D2Xs does. Except for the HSC grid in the viewfinder and the label of "D2X", I wouldn't know which one I was using until I shot high action. The way it feels in your hand, viewfinder, controls, etc. are just like the D2Xs you held.
Have you considered a D2Hs? It isn't the number of megapixels but the quality of them that counts!!! I have a D200 and a D2Hs. I shot some stuff at a wedding on Saturday using available light at ISO 1250 with a D200 and they were very good. I'm not sure a D2Xs would have been better but I'm 99% sure my D2Hs would have been about the same as the D200.
Hedley Originally from Merthyr Tydfil, Wales -- now in Arkansas
Frankly, unless you are shooting action, where the CAM2000 AF system and faster frame rate really make a difference, I'm not sure there are significant practical advantages to justify the D2X. (Did you ever resolve the battery-life issue you were having with the D200? The vastly greater battery life of the D2X, compared to what you were getting at 6th ANPAT, would be a boon. Then again, for the difference in weight between the D2 and D200, you could probably carry several spare batteries!)
I don't especially miss pop-up flash, and since I shoot a lot of sports, I find the D2X a better choice. (In fact, I just bought a second one.) If I weren't taking advantage of that aspect of the D2X, I would probably opt for a D200.
But if NAS overrules purely practical considerations, what the heck, get what you want!
Thanks Jon! I couldn't remember if you had a D2X or not. I kept thinking it was a D200 for some reason.
As I stated above, there is no good reason for getting the camera except that I can. I got a nice Christmas bonus that's going to fund it.
That's the dilemma I face. I want it. I don't need it.
It's Ron's fault. If he hadn't let me play with his I wouldn't be in this quandry.
I haven't nailed down he battery life issue. Because everyone's use is so different, it's hard to compare. I don't think I do more chimping that other people though I do have the image review on so I can do a quick check on exposure with the histogram. I just don't know.
Glad to hear you pulled the trigger. You'll never regret it, of course until you have to carry it on a three mile hike. But thats what the D200 is for.
ON a more serious note I find the dual sensor AWB on the D2X to be better than the single internal AWB detector on the D200. Also, what I do miss with my D2X versus the D200 is the ability when shooting JPEGs to shoot "vivid". Gives that lovely Velvia look I used to get when I shot slides. Maybe a future update on the D2X will include this option (are you listening Nikon?)
That is going to be a problem isn't it? Once you go pro... My next camera willhave to be a D4 or D5, whatever is out in 5 or 6 years. Will there be a D4? I understand the Japanese consider 4 an unlucky number which was why there was no Palm IV handheld. They skipped from III to V.
On the other hand I now have no excuse for upgrading my body for many years to come. So I might actually save money in the long run. Yeah, right.
I am waiting on the UPS guy now. I work at home so I hope he doesn't show up too early or my working day will be shot!
It's here. I can't play with it yet as the battery seems to be taking FOREVER to charge.
So while I waited, I decided to compare the difference in weight between the D200 with MB-D200 and the D2Xs.
I have two batteries in the D200 and of course only one in the D2Xs. No card in either camera. Straps were removed from the D200. No LCD covers on either camera. Neither camera has a plate attached.
The D2Xs weights 1 1/8 oz (32g) more than the D200 equipped with the grip. Not bad considering how freaked out I was feeling when people said how much bigger/heaver the D2Xs was. Actually the D2Xs is just a tad smaller than the D200/Grip combo. Not much but a little bit.
So I think I will be selling my MB-D200 grip. If I need a camera with grip it will be the D2Xs, if not then I can use the D200.
I just did the exact same thing. I have a couple of D200 Bodies and a batch of lenses that until recently satisfied my NAS. But a couple of months ago I attended a Nikon School and played with the D2Xs at a break. I just had to have it. I didn't need it, I wanted it. I had it in and out of my B&H cart for weeks. I finally pulled the trigger on Tues. The camera arrived today and the battery finished charging about an hour ago. Shot a bunch of nothing in high speed crop, just for fun. I'll keep one of my D200's as a second and give the other to my son to upgrade his D80 (yes, we are a Nikon Family) I can't wait to work the D2Xs hard. If it shoots as good as it feels, I'll be one happy shooter.
Actually have my $5000 set aside for a new D3X(And hope its not $6000) Do not really care how long it takes either. When its just something to play with the thrill of a new piece is worth the wait. Expect to keep both D200's as well. A D2Xs would be really great but personally feel Nikon is closer to a new upgrade then most think. Feb. , June , or Dec. we'll see. D G Berg
I bought the D200 last August, confident that this was the one I had been waiting for. I had owned any number of digitals from the D100 down ( in size not in age). But then I made the fatal mistake of picking up a D2Xs at a dealers and I just fell for it instantly. Needless to say with the sale of three of my camera bodies and a healthy bite from my credit card I bought a D2Xs direct from Hong Kong three weeks ago.
The D200 has never been picked up since. I have been a Nikon fan since I was 16 years old, I am now 62 and I have eventually reached the top.
My son a keen amature is now after my D200, I think he will probably get it soon.
My wife and I started with a D70 and kit lens, which we thought was the best camera we had used (up to then, we had used film, N80, and only digital experience was a P&S).
After about 6 months, my wife convinced me to buy a D2X, which I've used exclusively since then. I was kind of disappointment when the D200 came out, in a way, because I thought "well, I could have bought TWO D200's instead and had two identical bodies with different lenses for shooting..."
Recently, while doing some portraits, I set up both the D200 and the D2X and was switching between them, and there just really isn't a comparison.
Once you use the D2X, it's hard to go back to the D200!
>It's funny how that goes! > >My wife and I started with a D70 and kit lens, which we >thought was the best camera we had used (up to then, we had >used film, N80, and only digital experience was a P&S). > >After about 6 months, my wife convinced me to buy a D2X, >which I've used exclusively since then. I was kind of >disappointment when the D200 came out, in a way, because I >thought "well, I could have bought TWO D200's instead and >had two identical bodies with different lenses for >shooting..." > >Recently, while doing some portraits, I set up both the D200 >and the D2X and was switching between them, and there just >really isn't a comparison. > >Once you use the D2X, it's hard to go back to the D200! > >nl
I was prompted to think back on the progression of Nikon cameras I've bought, and was surprised to note that with the exception of the F2A and F3, I always "mothballed" or sold the body from which I upgraded. However, since I shoot film and digital, I lug around my F5 and D2x whenever I shoot sports/action because those have the fastest focusing mechanism of any bodies I know, and as far as weight, I wouldn't have it any other way! From FM to F2A to F3 to F5 to D1x to D2x, I continue to use the manual-focus lenses that I bought during the pre-autofocus days. And you know what? No matter what camera body you put them on, you still get sharp pictures.