Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs
I have just ordered a D2Xs and am looking to find which two lenses i will need to suit my purposes, first i want pro quality fast lenses to cover a wide range of subjects including Architecture, Macro, Studio, Portrait, Landscape, i assume these will be from the DX range as these are designed for the D2Xs as far as i understand, i do not need a large zoom, also is there a screen you can get with a grid on, maybe i want my cake and eat it but what is wrong with that! oh yes i want the best i can get but i am not rich so cost is a factor,
Thanks for reading this, any help will be much appreciated.
Relax,nothing is under control. Da,
#8. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 1RockyIII Nikonian since 27th May 2006Thu 12-Oct-06 04:30 PM
> Nikon 12-24, Nikon 17-55 and Nikon 70-200.
> These are fast, pro lenses and expensive.
At f/4, I would not say the 12-24 is especially fast, but that may not be a big consideration if using it on a tripod for architectural shots. For such use, I think a program like PT Lens to correct for distortion would be a must.
#2. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
Which one of these phrases usually don't belong with the others .
"Fast pro quality"
"best I can get"
"cost is a factor"
Now it is time to play our game .
The 35-70/2.8 AFD and the 80-200/2.8 AFD are perhaps the best bang for your buck when you are looking at top quality lenses optics wise. I mention these since you said cost is a factor. Sure...they don't have VR or AFS and the 35-70/2.8 has the rotating front element thing that makes it tougher to use a polarizer but optics wise, they are no slouches. What you have written indicates you really do not need super fast autofocus capabilities. I bought a 30-70/2.8 as my first mid-range zoom and still use it at times (because it is smaller then my 28-70/2.8). I do not find myself using my 80-200/2.8 AFD these days since I do have a 70-200/2.8 but I have let friends use it when we are out shooting together. The great thing about these two lenses is that you can also use them on your film cameras.
Theses lenses do not address though the wide end or your macro needs. You certainly want a lot out of two lenses .
On the wide front, because of the 1.5 crop factor, you should consider a 12-24ish type of lens. I have a Nikkor `12-24/4 but others have expressed positive thoughts about non-Nikkor lenses of this type and usually at a lower cost. There is an article here https://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/nikkor/af/wide_angles_shootout/index.html testing the various alternatives that written by Jason Odell (DRJAY) and Rick Walker (RWALKER).
I cannot address macro since macro just isn't my thing.
#3. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
The 28-70 f/2.8 and the 70-200VR f/2.8. The VR is an incredibly valuable feature, but you can buy an almost equivalent piece of glass without VR (the 80-200 f/2.8) for about $800.
If you can't afford them now, I would just save your money and wait... maybe pickup the 70-300 (make sure to get the ED version)
With the D2Xs, you are going to buy them eventually, its just a matter of when
#4. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
Consider the weight of what you'll be carrying around; there is no adequate Nikkor substitute to the 12-24 or a 70-200 or 80-200/2.8 on the 2X, but in the mid-range Nikon's 18-70 "kit lens" is remarkably good and will help you to save some money -- and it's the kind of lens you'd probably keep for its small and convenient size even after you have the resources to go all f2.8 all the time. I use it as a walkaround on my 2HS over the 28-70 2.8 I have because of the small size. Of course you have more resolution to worry about on the XS, but it still rates pretty highly even on the high-res bodies. You'll probably want to stop it down a couple of stops at the wide end to milk all the 2XS resolution for detail shots like landscapes, but on the long end it's very good at every aperture. On the 2HS it is very good at every aperture and every focal length.
For the telephoto lens, of course the 70-200 VR is the ideal given the VR and the very fast AF, but to save money not to mention fitting a smaller space in your camera bag, a used 80-200 2.8, the one with the built in tripod collar, is well worth considering; almost as good optically, acceptable AF performance, and less than half the price.
#5. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
Good recommendations from many of the posts above. I shifted from an F4 too, (D2Hs) and haven't looked back. You commented, "i do not need a large zoom" but your profile didn't id your lens kit so I'm answering as if you needed basic coverage wide to 200mm. My opinion as follows:
Nikon's 12-24 is necessary if you want a wide carry lens, due to the APS sensor, bite the bullet, don't wait. That lens with whatever kit you have will get you started. So, while saving for the 70-200 f2.8 VR, I couldn't wait so I followed similar advice and got the 80-200 AFS f2.8. I am not sorry, but still intend to get the other lens eventually. I am filling the middle distance with 28-105 which is flat field, distortion low, has a good macro capability and sharp stopped down a bit. It's capable of pro work if used carefully. Again, I intend to replace it with a f2.8 mid zoom, leaning toward the 17-55, but undecided. I have managed to assemble autofocus primes; a 28 f2.8, 35 f2, 50 f1.4, and AIS 180 f2.8 ED for less then the price of one of the new fast zoom lenses. In the mid range when I find I need speed, when the 28-105s too slow, or I need seperation in the subject I go to the primes & shoot wide open. I would have a smaller bag if I could afford the real 17-35 & 28-70 instead, but you said cost an issue, as it is for me. Auto and Manual primes 'used' get the best for the least $$. I carry the following 12-24 (only new lens purchase), 28-105, 80-200, 35, 50, two TCs. I suggest that you stick to used, clean glass, and you can gain the coverage you want. My trade off was weight for Dollars. By the way, the reversing ring set, and extension tubes get you to macro, and the 28-105 reversed is a good alternative except for working distance.
The alternative? You bought the D2Xs, you had the 4K, get an 18-200 now, play with the range and then go ahead and get the real deal; right away 12-24 f4, then 17-35/55 f2.8, 28-70 f2.8, 70-200 f2.8 VR, 105 macro vr which is my fantasy bag right now. When your done, put the 18-200 in the travel package.
Enjoy the journey it's where the fun is. Love your hobby.
#6. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 5Martin Turner Nikonian since 19th Jun 2006Thu 12-Oct-06 09:53 AM
17-55 DX f/2.8 is the most universal, but are hard to track down second hand. This is the equivalent of 25.5-82 on 35mm film. It balances very well on the D2X.
You list a number of things such as architecture, macro, studio, landscape that actually tend to take quite specific lenses. The classic architecture lens is the 35 mm PC (shift) lens. Currently there isn't a DX equivalent, but you could just stand further back. Studio depends a bit on what you are shooting, but for studio headshots the 85mm 1.4 or 1.8 are well favoured, and the 50 mm 1.4 can be a good choice. For macro I like the 60mm f/2.8, which is the cheapest of the Micro range. I don't own a 12-24 lens (I'm not a big fan of the massive linear distortion of very wide angles), but I do use a 10.5 DX f/2.8 fisheye, which is a lens which really comes into its own on digital. The barrel distortion is (in my view) no more 'unreal' than the linear distortion of the wide-angles, and gives you many more options about where you choose to distort.
Katzeye make a screen with a grid, though I think you have to get it from their website, as that particular option is not available on this site.
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#7. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
> Architecture, Macro, Studio, Portrait, Landscape
Architecture - 17-35mm Nikkor
Macro - 105mm Nikkor
Studio - depends on the subject - though the 85mm f/1.4 f/1.8 are used for portraiture work with 35mm film i suggest the 50mm f/1.4 / f/1.8 as it gives you 75mm viewing impression
Portrait - as said for studio
Landscape - 12-24 Nikkor gives more spectacular views but isn´t a must as i find that a more compressed view adds impact to the shot (a 12mm shot can easely become boring)
My advice - even if you´re currently excited and want to do everything start simple and get yourself one decent lens which can deal with the X eg.a 17-55DX. Get used to the X and the lens and find out what you really want to shoot in the long term. Borrow different lenses from your dealer if possible or ask your local Nikon rep (they usually support their customers very well - at least over here). You may find that you eg. don´t like to shoot macro but want to shoot sports and then have to sell the macro lens to get a tele-lens and only loose money by selling the one to get the other.
Just my 2-cents.
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#9. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 7pointofview Registered since 08th Oct 2006Thu 12-Oct-06 04:42 PM
Thanks everyone for the wealth of info, I am much better orientated as to what my choices should be after all your sound advice. I will get back and let you know what I finally aquire, I so much appreciate your input,
Relax,nothing is under control. Da,
#10. "RE: Which two lenses for my ordered D2Xs" | In response to Reply # 0
I would start with the 17-55 and a fast prime at a focal length which counts most for you if i were in your shoes. The 17-55 balances nicely on the d2, focuses superfast and gives beautyfull contrasty pictures even wide open. As for the fast prime: i have choosen to use the sigma 1.4/30 a lot unless i am doing portraiture. For portraiture i like to use one of my 50s (1.4/50 or my beloved 1.2/55 Ai) or the 1.8/85.