D200 vs. D2x out of camera images
I am looking for D2x users who also have experience with the D200. I find that my D200 images come out of the camera "soft". I have the in camera sharpening at +1. I currenly use the picture project software to edit and have to use medium to high sharpening on most images to tighten them up. I have read numerous posts about the D200 "designed" to be soft for post processing, that doesn't make sense to me. The D200 color and resolution is great, but does the D2x have the same out of the camera "softness" Your response would be appreciated because I am seriously thinking of making the move up.
#1. "RE: D200 vs. D2x out of camera images" | In response to Reply # 0keylargomark Registered since 06th Apr 2006Sat 10-Jun-06 01:44 AM
I own a D2h and a D2hs, which might pretty much render my opinion meaningless to you, but since no one else has waded in here...
Most folks here have had little problems making exceedingly sharp images with both the D200 and the D2x. The current focusing engine on the D2 series cameras is the best Nikon has ever made. A quick search of the "Wildlife photography" forum here at Nikonians will show plenty of tac sharp images from both cameras by multiple users, albeit some post-processing could include sharpening with many.
I don't know what your definition of softness might be, but the images from both my H and Hs are sharp straight out of the camera. Although the D200 has a different focusing engine than the D2 series cameras, I don't think you should be having softness issues on a regular basis. I seriously doubt Nikon designs any "softness" into the images straight out of the camera, but other things could be the culprit: cheaper lenses, slower shutter speeds, low-contrast subjects, etc.
Also, as you may have read here before, the larger-resolution capabitities of the D200/D2x will bring out the before-mentioned culprits much more evidently when the images are viewed at 100%.
#2. "RE: D200 vs. D2x out of camera images" | In response to Reply # 1allstarimages Registered since 05th Feb 2006Sat 10-Jun-06 03:53 PM
Thank you for your input. I do get tack sharp images from my d200 as well. It is not an issue of lenses,(60mm2.8 macro, 70-200 2.8 vr, and 300 2.8 all nikon) It just seems that when I upload the images they are out of focus or soft out of the camera until I hit the auto enhance button on the picture project software, then I typically sharpen them some more. It just seems the images should look better upon first upload before I have to do anything to them.
Thanks for your response
#4. "RE: D200 vs. D2x out of camera images" | In response to Reply # 3tgreenwald Registered since 12th Dec 2005Sun 11-Jun-06 12:08 PM
Hi, I just yesterday had a "shoot out" with a friend who had a Canon 5D. We shot the same subject and tried to have the same camera settings. I had mine set on the Custom JPEG setting with +2 sharpening. When we printed the 8 by 10s on an Epson 2200 as well as on the computer my opinion was that the D200 looked over sharpened. The images were almost equal in all other areas. The edges were too distinct. It looked a little too crisp. So I may be lucky to own a D200 that is too sharp and needs to be softened which I now am using NONE for the JPEG sharpening and sharpening in CS2. The final sharpening depends on the final use. No sharpening fits all uses of an image. Yes I do shoot RAW as well as JPEG but honestly my JPEGS look so much better to me.
Some shots are not supposed to be tack sharp to be great, take a portrait, you don't need to see pores and zits in detail. Flowers might not look as good tack sharp in all cases.
I try to concentrate on composition now and it's amazing that my best selling photo is one that I think technically stinks, over exposed and soft yet it is my most popular.
But if your not happy with soft photos then there is a lot you can learn to correct this assuming your camera is not out of specs?
Can you shoot a newspaper to check for the dreaded back or front' focus?
I would suggest looking into Thom Hogans eBook and read the chapter on sharpening.
Also the lens you use might be a factor.
Also are you using an UV filters in front of the camera
Also are you out of focus a little?
So many variables here but from what I am printing my D200 is tack sharp when shot at a high enough shutter speed to rule out shake.
Also: at slow speeds are you using MLU (mirror lock up)
Some of my shots are so noisy (another topic) that this may make them looks soft.
Good luck getting happy with your D200, you could always sell it quickly and then get a new D2X or D2H but that way you might have trouble blaming the equipment for a bad photo. (this is supposed to be sort of funny not to be taken seriously)
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#5. "RE: D200 vs. D2x out of camera images" | In response to Reply # 4bpettersonjr Registered since 26th Nov 2003Mon 12-Jun-06 01:51 AM
I have both as well as the D2H, D2hs and D1X.
I find they all require about the same sharpening.
On the D200 under optimizw image- custom- tone -normal
saturation- normal sharpening- high hue -o color mode -1.
This gives me printable jpg. Some times I will need more usm in ps or NC.
If you are shooting NEF all of the above can be changed in NC.
However Nx will be out the end of this month or next.
Picture project leaves me cold, so I can not help you on that.
So just sit down and hook up the D200 to your computer and shoot remotely. That way you can experiment with different settings.
Oh sorry. You need NC 4.4 for that- but you can download it and use it for 30days free.
Also download Nikon View 4.2.7 It is free.
I gave you my settings- you and many other people will us different settings.
Each of us have had to experiment to find what we prefer.
Last nite I set up the D200 to experiment with the settings for
using th onboard flash +/- on flash vs +/- 0n ev mode on the camera as I had been having some problems.
Amazing what instant feedback can do for you.
Well I'm waiting for my D2Xs maybe in a couple of weeks along with NX.
So try NC 4.4=== Nikon View 6.2.7 and tethered operation for instant