After reading the posts here, and at the D200 forum, I removed my name from the D200 waiting list at my local camera store, opting to take the plunge into something (I hope) I will have fewer regrets for not taking that extra step into quality.
So, now I plan on getting the D2X in May.
The only concern I have is that the camera was introduced in June, 2005.
Are there any rumours floating close to the ground that would indicate Nikon is accelerating it's production cycle and will shortly come out with its next generation high-end pro digital SLR?
I will be looking seriously at the 17-55mm zoom, and either the 70-200 or 80-200 to fill out a full range. The former is supposedly superb in every way, while the latter will also function on my FM3A.
Any thoughts greatly appreicated, especially since the one year anniversary of the D2X is upon us.
I have no idea as to when NIkon will be releasing their next digital camera.
All that I can tell you is that I purchased my D2X last November and absolutely love this camera. The image quality is superb! Sure something will come out in the future but the D2X will serve you very well.
Got mine today, I love it. You will love your D2X, too!!! Better hurry up buying it - just think about how many shots will you have missed if you wait until Nikon brings out something new, or even: how many shots you could have taken today! Cape diem!
Actually it was introduced in November 2004 and shipped in March 2005.
DSLRs are now computers, so the methodology for buying computers now applies: buy what you need when you need it, and then don't look back. There will *always* be new developments in price, technology, or both. If you buy before you really need it, you'll likely waste money. But if you buy when you need it, you'll have spent whatever difference toward achieving whatever goal you had.
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What is it that you really need? I had the D200 and I dodn't need an ego-buster (I am a Buddhist monk, so that's for that). But I needed something that can focus even in lowest light - such as in temples and shrines. So, it is the D2X, because the D200 can't do that. And I needed voice-recoding ability, because sometimes on a shoot I have to visit several temples in one day, and I always mixed up my scribbled-down memos. So, it is the D2X. By the way, I LOVE the DX 17-55 F2.8, and I wonder why there is not so much talk about it in these forums. In temples, I can't use flash, so I shoot hand-held, and YES, this lens always outperforms ME.I recently had it on my D70 at night (what we call night, at around 7:30pm), and it is a wonder-work in any lightening-situation, and these colours are fabolous!!!!
Not to be critical of your purchase, but I just love how people are so afraid of the D2X being obsoleced so quickly. It makes me laugh on the inside. I'm getting great images with a D50 and D1H at the moment I'm sure your D2X will create beautiful images as well!
I have the D2x and can say that any camera making the D2x outdated would have features you will not need. The pictures I get with the 17-55mm, the 70-200mm and the 12-24mm are nothing short of sensational. As a retiree from an exacting profession (Actuary) I am a nitpicker by design. There simply are no real issues with the D2x. My only problem with any of this equipment is the weight. I partially solved this by using the tripod more often. Given the quality and build, you should enjoy this camera for many years.
D2x outdated? No! And really neither is the D1x. Both are solid performers that I have (literally) carried and used from Pole to Pole (well Arctic and Antarctic Circles anyway)and in between. Newer tech stuff doesn't necessarily make earlier tech stuff obsolete. Take time to learn each camera's features, strengths and weaknesses, and you're in a good position to hone your skills.
Theres a rumour on the bickering/flaming/mines better than yours site, that there is an update in the pipeline to be announced in the next two months! D2Xs dunnno if it's true just what i heard, true ISO 1600 and a bigger buffer. It would be nice if most of it were available as a firmware upgrade? Obviously not the buffer..... Don't flame me just what i heard. Cheers Jules.
Makes some sort of sense i guess? Find a way to lower the noise and give decent ISO 1600 performance (maybe some NIK help here?). Give it a humungous buffer so it can shoot 8 frames a second uncropped and voila sports shooters delight! All with minimal R&D, both replaced (D2Hs and X) in one go and then a real fancy puppy later on maybe? Just the sort of thing Nikon would do Cheers Jules.
Let me start by saying that my D2x exceeds my capabilities, so...
I can't see needing anything more. Again, its capabilities exceed my skills/talents. Hopefully, I'll catch-up.
Having said that, though, a lot of us were saying that about our computers a few years ago!
I agree with the earlier poster. DSLRs - like so much digital equipment these days - is quickly superceded. Are the features desirable/needed - that's for an individual to assess. Will it make you a better photographer (musician, artist, etc.)? Again, for each individual to assess.
Trying to buy the "final" camera you'll ever need in this environment, however, is no more likely than buying the 1 computer you'll need for the next 10 yrs. There will always be something with "better/different" feature/functionality and the job of the mfgs is to create the demand/desire to upgrade.
So, does the D2x meet all my needs - yes. Will I be tempted to upgrade - yes. Do I need to - doubtful.
Agree with you 100% Frank! I will not need the updated one but will i want it? Well you know the answer to that! Not so sure that the cycle times for Nikon in the past will count for much in the future. Digital is a fast changing game and Canon seem to be trying to force everybody else to play the fast changing high stakes game. I would love Nikon to ignore them and take their own sweet time but i think it would cost them dear! Personally i bought the D2x because there was no milestone in the pro am department, so they brought one out three months later! Already i had lost £1000 in resale on the D2x so i really could not sell (and get the extra lenses i so crave!), nor when the D2Xs or D3 or whatever appears and my D2x is only worth £1000 not the £3000 i paid not six month ago will i sell it? No! I like many others cannot afford to do this every year or so and so now consider myself out of the upgrade game. Still if true the upgrade has come sooner than i or many others would have expected. Likely as not the next i will consider is a D300? As it will probably be the first in the "affordable" sector to best the "two x" in some meaningful way, or maybe the white lens giants call will be to strong! After all the body will be next to worthless by then and my lenses will probably hold their price as they always have. Who knows? Digital seems to change every week! Tired now so off to bed ramble over. Goodnight.. Cheers Jules.
I did the same thing, took my name off the D200 waiting list. I haven't looked back once. Get the D2X, don't worry about rumors. This camera is incredible and I don't think you'll regret it either . Follow this forum closely, there are some old pro's with this camera and I've gotten some great advice. Shoot lots of pictures, play with the various features of autofocus, just enjoy it as much as you can. This camera will be top end for a long time to come.
Yes, I agree with Doug W, please don't get me wrong, any Nikon gear is made for a specific purpose, and they always do their job perfectly. The D200 is an excellent camera with its 18-200 lens for general journalistic activities and as a travel camera, and as an all-round camera. But, to be completely and utterly honest, although we never have any regrets, right, I would rather have bouhgt the D2Hs instead of the D200, plus the D2X. So, my advise to anybody looking into buying the D200 is, comparing it over the D2X: if you can find a D2Hs for a similar price as the D200, go for the D2Hs.
What i said last night was purely my personal view and based on the heresay from , well you know where. I would not attempt to sway anyone from the D2x, buy it now and take wonderful pictures from now until it is replaced and even then it will be every bit as good as it always was! The sensor will be updated at some point, if not most improvements will be thru firmware, which you can get. Besides there is far more to the D2x than just the sensor and maybe a tad too much noise over ISO 640! The ergonomics the focusing the white balance, i could go on all day! Just hope no one thought i was bashing the "two x" last night, i wasn't i just love it! Cheers Jules.
IMHO the only meaningful thing that would make me want to trade would be dynamic range performance that is good as print film and/or less noise in the higher ISO range. Other than the dynamic range I get as good results as my old 4x5 twin reflex cameras as far as IQ is concerned. When you factor in the autofocus and metering in this puppy it surpasses any camera I've ever wanted.
It is a modern marvel as far as I'm concerned,
Bill North Wisdom cannot be given, it must be gathered...
I had been seriously reconsidering my decision about the D200 and was beginning to lean toward the high-end Canon line. Although I have a few good lenses for my FM3A, they would not completely fulfill or match the capabilities of the D2X. As such, I figured I would have to buy a new set of lenses for either brand.
The answers to my post greatly strengthened my position with Nikon, especially the comment by (? -- the monk) about shooting high quality and with sure focus in low light. I hadn't heard that much about low light focusing, but that certainly is an indicator of the D2X's professional features.
And you are right, just like a computer: buy it and don't look back -- except I will always be carrying my FM3A.
You wil find the low light focusing on the D2x second to none! Tried everything above eight megapixels and the closest was the Canon 1D mkII. It isn't about just throwing more focusing points at it (45!) but the quality of those points, The D2Hs/X have Three "X" and Six "T" sensors plus the two outer "-" sensors and it works beautifully! Another reason that i would not part with it is whenever i get the thing out of the bag i get this silly grin! Happens every time I think it'll still happen even when there is a D3x though that may be in the bag beside it! He He He... Plenty of people feel that way about the D1x too! Cheers Jules.
The person who posted the D2xs tidbit at dpreview seems to be named Jeff Curtner. He has posted information that has often turned out true in the past before anyone else knew anything.
Honestly though, even if they decide to come out with a D2xs (and just suppose it has less noise at ISO 1600) who is to say that the announcment will be in June? This is Photokina Year after all. Maybe they will save it for then.
Also, I would think that a new camera would be a great opportunity for Nikon to raise the price back up to $5000. Heck, with the D2Hs, they even increased the price $300 above the initial price of the original D2H!
Finally, if this D2xs does come out in the next six months, full-frame will be unlikely any time in the next 2 years from Nikon!
Seriously though, i wonder if the rumoured D2Xs maybe isn't a D2Hs replacement? Exxxesss just sounds fast doesn't it! Maybe the fulfillment of Lbcast? Again only idle speculation but it would seem to be the logical progression since it's been out for a wee while now, well in digital terms anyway! The pity is that as stated by Zone v the price will likely go back up. Maybe we can expect a D70s replacement to in time for photokina? Altough this would seem a lot for Nikon in one go. They did suprise everyone in 2004/5 when they re-vamped the whole lineup didn't they Cheers Jules.
The D2X and 17-55mm DX zoom lens is a great combination! I used it to cover an event and with the High Speed Crop feature, one can go from wide to medium telephoto with a flick of a switch without too much of a hassle cmpared to switching lenses or carying an extra body/lens.
joeys_photos, now THAT'S a good advise, I never even thouhgt about it! I just carried the D200 with the VR105mm Macro lens plus the D2X 17-55 as a portraiture combo; will try your advise next time when I have only one body (camera that is, LoL). How are other members thinking about joeys_photos' tip'trick?
>The D2X is barely a year old from its release date, and >these people think its outdated already!!!! Sheesh!!!!!!!!!
Not if you already have the D2X. It will last you for a long time.
Keep in mind that if you are a buyer today and knowing D2Xs is coming in 2 months, it might be worthwhile waiting for the D2Xs. This is a no brainer. D200 buffer is now more than D2X. D2Xs will address that. People clamor for higher ISO, it looks like the new D2Xs will address that also but there are no details how it wil be done.
This could be akin to D2H and D2Hs. Which one will you get today?
The Canon 5D and D200 is eating into D2X sales. Nikon got to do something about it fast. I am on the verge of getting a Canon 5D until I heard about this rumor from a reliable source. Add me as a new customer for Nikon and 3 of their lenses!
>>The D2X is barely a year old from its release date, and >>these people think its outdated already!!!! Sheesh!!!!!!!!! > >Not if you already have the D2X. It will last you for a >long time. > >Keep in mind that if you are a buyer today and knowing D2Xs >is coming in 2 months, it might be worthwhile waiting for >the D2Xs. This is a no brainer.
1) if so it will be about 18 months earlier than any other s model released so far, and where is the D1Xs?
D200 buffer is now more >than D2X. D2Xs will address that. Wrong, the D200 files are smaller so a couple more fit in the same buffer, which is plenty deep for just about all cases, except for the extreme sports shooter which the D3H (which is more likely) will most likely resolve.
People clamor for higher >ISO, it looks like the new D2Xs will address that also but >there are no details how it will be done. > I'm for higher ISO if they can do it doesn't mean they will need a new camera to do it. I'm looking for an upgrade maybe.
>This could be akin to D2H and D2Hs. Which one will you get >today? > >The Canon 5D and D200 is eating into D2X sales.
I don't think this is true, to any great extent, the people that are buying the D200 and 5D wouldn't have come up with the money for a D2X except for a few geeks (like me
>Nikon got >to do something about it fast. I am on the verge of getting >a Canon 5D until I heard about this rumor from a reliable >source. Add me as a new customer for Nikon and 3 of their >lenses!
Do as you like... go take some pictures.
--- -Steve "If it's a good idea . . . go ahead and do it. It is much easier to apologize than it is to get permission." - Grace Hopper
I find this discussion so very funny, yes, I was pondering about the same issues, until I realized that EVERY MOMENT that I spend in front of the computer contributing to such kind of discussion, and EVERY MOMENT that I spent thinking about the various pros and cons and fears and worries and so on and so forth, were moments LOST shooting pictures. So, instead of contemplating any further, I immediately ordered a D2X. Outdated? Not outdated? Who cares, I got billions of great shots in the meantime. Now THAT'S time spent worthy!
OK, based on my limited experience, based on my own experience, now I would not have bought a D200, but rather a D2Hs (for sports), plus the D2X (for everything else), but this is *ONLY* becsause this is most appropriate for *MY OWN* photographic situation. Yours is surely different: all people have different faces, and all have different situations in their photographic life.
So, we all need to ask us: What is our own situation, what is appropriate for us? And nobody else can answer that question for us.
This is something like the full-frame discussion: hot air about nothing. Show me a picture taken with, say, a D2X that would have been better in FF? Betcha wont be able to!
PS I would like to know what you all think: I hope that we can, should the D2Xs evolve one day, upgrade free, just like, say, the d70 to d70s. --- Yes, Nikon is listening to us, right!?
I know what you mean! I added the bit about th D2Xs rumour and i quckly felt guilty about idle gossip! That said the initial source seems to have credibility, i'd like to think that the lower ISO noise would all be software based and therefore just firmware, The buffer upgrade and no doubt extra £100 for the "s" top plate i could live without! If thats all there is to the upgrade? Can't see what else they could put on the body it's damn near pefect! Shall we let this thread go? All go out and take some pics? Sorry to add to the discussion AGAIN Cheers Jules.