D2X Focus (Positive this time)
I thought this was an interesting test. AF-S. Center focus point on light. Image one... actual image resized in PS CS2. Image 2... 100% crop. 50mm 1.4 AFD lens. JPG fine. Handheld. PP consisted of auto levels and sharpening using Nikon CSPro for D2X. Impressive I would say!
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#4. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 0
Yes, Donzo98, I am always amazed at the detail my D2X can capture. I can view at 100% and see amazing detail.
Also, the AF is certainly better than any camera I've ever tried.
I think many of the negative posts are people that either don't have their AF set up right, or don't know how to use it.
I suppose there may be some that have bad D2X samples. But I've personally helped 2 photographers that insisted they have bad D2X bodies, get a clue about their camera and they are loving it now. Unfortunately, this often isn't something that can be written on the web.
#5. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 4Mon 02-Jan-06 04:49 PM
>>>>I think many of the negative posts are people that either don't have their AF set up right, or don't know how to use it.
I suppose there may be some that have bad D2X samples. But I've personally helped 2 photographers that insisted they have bad D2X bodies, get a clue about their camera and they are loving it now. Unfortunately, this often isn't something that can be written on the web.<<<<<
I'm astonished that you would state this, in light of extensive evidence of the D2X focussing issues, well documented by numerous professional shooters. This is akin to a "have" - those who were fortunate enough to receive a working camera, disparaging the "have nots" - those who would dare complain about their misfortune in receiving a malfunctioning D2X.
Fact of the matter is, the problem exists, it affects SOME of the cameras, but enough to warrent concern about Nikon's "Sell it First and Fix it Later" business model. Too often, the partisanship evident among photographers concerning their cameras obscures the fact that we as photographers, of ALL LEVELS and SKILLS, need to stick together and address these issues as one. Please don't misunderstand, I support Nikon, as their cameras have done remarkable things for me, but when they have a problem, they need to be put on notice.
#6. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 5Mon 02-Jan-06 05:18 PM
OK gentlemen, please let's not get too strident about this issue, as has happened in the past in this forum
There have certainly been some D2X's with focus problems, but equally there have been some users who thought they had faulty AF but found they needed to change their technique or adjust their expectations.
In any individual case, either cause is possible. We should not bash people who believe they have a faulty camera, but neither should we rule out faulty user technique.
#7. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 6
#8. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 7Thu 05-Jan-06 03:06 AM
Thanks for translating. Nikonian can be somewhat difficult to comprehend, and what I took to be a somewhat arrogant and dismissive post, in fact, as you have untangled for me, was not. My apologies to all around.
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#9. "No worries!" | In response to Reply # 8Thu 05-Jan-06 05:58 PM
That's the bad side of these forums. Typing can't show context, attitude, emphasis or intent.
If we were all sitting in a room, we would probably discuss, laugh and all agree. Or help each other (what a concept J ). On the Internet a comment written, or read, in the wrong context can anger someone.
I, personally, am a jokester and have a great attitude and sense of humor. But, sometimes my posts seem a bit harsh because others don’t know me and make assumptions (as do I).
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#14. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 5
My own sample i bought and was astonished at how crappy the image quality was. In and out of my studio. Being a photojournalist for over 10 years i was hard-pressed to believe that it my 'my technique' and after being enlightened by the poll here about the "pro" vs. "non-pro" owners of the D2x I was one of the "pro" and dismissed the problems as 'user error.'
Nope! mine was back-focusing and image was inferior to that of my D1x and D2h.
I considered sending it back to Nikon etc. BUT!! and its a big *BUT* then i decided i would try the firmware update first.
I now own the most fantastic photojournalistic tool i have ever laid hands upon. THat camera is god in a box for me!!!
Perfect image quality--so sharp and so incredible. Lightening quick AF system. etc.
All the raves in one camera now!
but for the record i will say that before i did a firmware update i was holding a $5,000 paperweight.
All of the solutions that i have seen offered on the board are excellent suggestions. HOWEVER, the D2x should and will operate as 'user friendly' as the D2h or D1x or D100 etc. when it is properly updated and working.
Anyhow, i kiss the thing goodnight i love it so much now....but i remember the doubt and horror i felt when it was back focusing and only one of 5 shots were actually sharp. Yikes!!
#15. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 14walkerr Nikonian since 05th May 2002Tue 31-Jan-06 12:34 AM
It's good to hear the problem was resolved. My own experience has been extremely positive, and I find the D2X very easy to use. The only thing I have to watch are the larger-sized AF sensors, but that's an easy adjustment. I agree that the D2X should and does operate as "user friendly" as other Nikon DSLRs when everything is adjusted correctly.
#19. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 14D2xdeviant Registered since 06th Feb 2006Mon 06-Feb-06 08:51 AM
I'm glad it wasn't just me. I sell the odd picture but was seriously doubting my abilities to focus a camera after months with the D2x. Installed the new firmware and only 1 shot out of 482 was OOF during my last shoot. Either the firmware corrected something, or my perseverance with technique has paid off - I suspect the former.
Obviously now I throw most of my shots away because they are ill-conceived to start with
#18. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 4
Since I decided to go ahead with a D2X as opposed to the D200, I've read with interest, the many posts re: focus issues. After having the camera a little while, I see what you and many other people are talking about. Thanks to all of you for prepping me for this, as I am thoroughly enjoying that camera. It's a joy to shoot with, I just have to keep remembering not to neglect my D100 that I still love.
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#10. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 0
Thank the lord. I wanted to personally thank you for posting this. I just got my D2X probably 3 weeks ago. It took me 2 months to say, ok, I'm taking a loan out and I'm going to go for it and buy the D2X. It took me that long because I read so many reviews, and especially here about people freaking out about this "backfocus" issue. The day I got mine, I was depressed cuz mine was acting funny as well.
So after reading the handful on here about the focus issues, I decided to dive into the vast af menu and tryed tweaking stuff, and that night, my problem was pretty much solved. So maybe I shoulda bought a cheaper refub because a lot of people probably returned their D2X'S because of this. But anyways, I do agree that there definately some factory defected cameras but before I'd send mine out, I'd troubleshoot it fully. Anyways, thumbs up.
#11. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 10
#12. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 11Mon 30-Jan-06 01:13 AM
Received my D2X back from NPS in El Segundo. I talked to people in Melville, Washington DC NPS, the Nikon Reps at MacWorld, trying to find out if Nikon is aware of this. They (the repair side) acknowledged that yes, there may be some issues with focus. The California Nikon Rep was in denial and she had to call for backup from marketing as I was starting to foam. She agreed that some D2X's did have problems. In any case, the camera was returned and I tested it - it now works as it should. The repair status for NPS indicated "major service." I reiterate my point - professionals and ampro shooters should not accept this from anyone. This is not a good business model for Nikon. If a pro gets burned on a shoot because Nikon is unleashing some funky equipment on the planet, you know they won't get burned twice. This is the 2nd Nikon product OUT OF THE BOX that was defective. In the past, I've purchased a lens and used it immediately on an assignment (the excellent 20-35mm 2.8) but no more.
#13. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 12jampham Registered since 29th Nov 2005Mon 30-Jan-06 05:11 AM
I also recently got my D2X fixed from Nikon El Segundo after using it since it was first released and being suspicious the entire time that the AF was off. I blamed myself for most of that time and now I know that it was not me but the camera! Talk about a big relief. My camera focuses exactly how I had originally expected it to and I am so glad to have it fixed. Talk about a HUGE difference in performance. So again to all of those out there that have been suspicious that something is just not right with the AF (mine was backfocus that caused many soft images) to take it in to Nikon and have them take a look. It's certainly worth it for that extra peace of mind. I now trust my D2X which I did not fully before.
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#17. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 13PassGlass Registered since 23rd Dec 2005Sun 05-Feb-06 02:26 AM
>I also recently got my D2X fixed from Nikon El Segundo after
>using it since it was first released and being suspicious
>the entire time that the AF was off. I blamed myself for
>most of that time and now I know that it was not me but the
>camera! Talk about a big relief. My camera focuses exactly
>how I had originally expected it to and I am so glad to have
>it fixed. Talk about a HUGE difference in performance. So
>again to all of those out there that have been suspicious
>that something is just not right with the AF (mine was
>backfocus that caused many soft images) to take it in to
>Nikon and have them take a look. It's certainly worth it
>for that extra peace of mind. I now trust my D2X which I
>did not fully before.
Same here...Sent my original D2x back to Nikon after a few agonizing months of soft images and incredible disbelief...
It was the camera.
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#28. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 13BILIRUBIN Basic MemberWed 16-Jan-08 12:02 PM
I've no wish to heap coals on the fire of focussing faults ( alliterative eh?)but Nikonians in the Sports Forum have been very helpful in helping me sort out a problem, not a fault but a problem. Look up 'Heineken Cup woes' or 'Pros use Canon threads' ( one day I'll learn how to link these directly) and you'll see what I mean. For now I'll post a snap shot, literally taken when the goalie turned quickly to look at me, to show how quickly the D2X with a 300 f2.8 focussed. I've monochromed it using 'calculations' in PSCS.
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#16. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 12redstarphotography Nikonian since 18th Dec 2005Tue 31-Jan-06 02:27 AM
WOW! good point. Would you believe i got *burned* on a wedding shoot with my D2x out of the box. I never in a million years thought there would be a problem with it, It wasnt a total disaster thanks to some luck and post-production. But damn!!! that is the last time i will do that. Gone are the days of the F5. Out of the box, on with the glass, up on the runway shooting.
#20. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 16ridesideways Registered since 28th Jan 2006Tue 07-Feb-06 08:45 PM
can't the people who complain about lack of sharpness and therefore suspect a bad d2x AF get out in some bright daylight at iso 400 with a good f2.8 lens, plop down a test subject 10' away, and compare sharpness at f22 and f4. if fuzziness is caused by AF error, then it will largely disappear at f22 but not at f4. if the sharpness is equally poor at both f22 and f4, then obviously most of the fuzziness you're complaining about must be due to poor technique and/or unrealistic expectations. ok granted this test isn't perfect because sharpness varies somewhat with lens aperture-- but if your AF calibration really has error, then the variations in sharpness will be dominated by your AF error and not the typical variation in sharpness due to lens aperture.
shame on nikon for not noticing any AF problem before going to market, but it's really no reason for anyone to panic about the performance of their own d2x's AF-- it's pretty easy to test, and if it's broke then make nikon fix it.
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#21. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 20Wed 22-Feb-06 12:24 AM
There is very good reason to panic as to Nikon's cavalier attitude concerning the quality of their flagship camera and their relationship with the professional community. This is considered a professional level camera, and considering the large numbers of people who've purchased this camera, and the considerable number who've had to send the camera for repairs - out of the box, as I had to - then those of us heavily invested in Nikon equipment are sweating. This is the 2nd Nikon product I've had to have repaired or replaced out of the box. And of course, anyone using their heads would do the test you prescribe. So do you or did you have a problem with your D2X?
#23. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 22Phillym Registered since 23rd Nov 2005Wed 22-Feb-06 05:19 PM
Going back to reply #5 i agree that when Nikon has a problem they do nothing about it.
Here is a thread i just posted that has changed my mind about Nikon after 30 years of being a supporter.
I have been a Nikon fan for over 30 years but I am so upset with what i now find out.
Over the weekend i went to buy a D2x. When i got to the store I decided to take a couple of comparison shots of a window located next to the camera store with the D2x and my D1x. The store is a Childrens Toy Store and the window was loaded with dolls dressed up in clothing of every immaginable color. I used the same setting, same lens and when i printed the photos using photshop with no post processing I was shocked to see that all of the PURPLES were replicated by the D2x as BLUE. The D1x replicated every color perfectly. We tried it over and over again. No success. Could not duplicate the color purple. Called Nikon and was told to change the color space. Pre-set white balance and that did'nt work. Not convinced that it was a faulty camera opened another D2x and the same thing happened. This is really hard to believe. In the forums of Dp preview it appears that this is a Problem, however not one review (from the likes of Digital Darrel, Ken Rockwell,Thom Hogan etc,) have ever mentioned this. I called Nikon again and was then told that the D2x has a ultraviolet filter that makes purple appear blue. This is unacceptable for a pro-dslr.By the way the D200 has the same problem.
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#25. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 23Fri 24-Feb-06 09:42 AM
This is a formal (and public, obviously) request for you to cease raising the "purple" issue in multiple threads. Your question has been answered several times already in two other long threads. I'm sorry if you cannot accept the explanations given.
And by the way - since you seem to be extending your definition of the problem to include the D200 (with no evidence, as far as I can see), I'd also ask you not to start posting the same threads over in the D200 Forum.
#26. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 25Phillym Registered since 23rd Nov 2005Fri 24-Feb-06 12:57 PM
I will respond to your formal request and because it was a public post i will respons in a like-kind manner. My original post while answered, I could not accept answers. Many who answered did not even read my thread as their replies indicated. My threads were all civil and pointing out a problem (in my opinion) that the D2x should not have. Why anyone including yourself would take an attack postition is beyond me. Your comment on the D200 is wrong as I have tried and so has the store manager to replicate the color purple without success.
Am I correct that once a thread is answered by one of the members that the answer is the Gospel because that is basically what you said and I quote. "I'm sorry if you cannot accept the explanations given". Well your right. If an explanation is given but does'nt answer or address the questions then i can't accept it.
I will not say anymore on this subject.
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#27. "RE: D2X Focus (Positive this time)" | In response to Reply # 26Fri 24-Feb-06 01:27 PM
>Am I correct that once a thread is answered by one of the
>members that the answer is the Gospel because that is
>basically what you said and I quote. "I'm sorry if you
>cannot accept the explanations given".
Several knowledgeable members have taken the time, in more than one thread, to explain what might be happening, and have demonstrated with images of their own that the D2X (when handled appropriately) can indeed record the colour purple. Whether you take their advice is, of course, up to you.
I'm sorry if you considered my earlier post to be an "attack"; it was simply a request that the "purple" discussion not be carried over into other unrelated threads.
>I will not say anymore on this subject.