Lens for both portraits and close-up photography
I am trying to satisfy two interests (portrait & close-up photography) with one lens.
I am stuck in an analysis/paralysis cycle trying to decide between the Nikon 85 1.8 + close up diopter and the Tamron 90 Macro...I will be using a D80 with this lens
Can anyone please impart words of wisdom to get me out my analysis/paralysis cycle
#1. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 0benveniste Nikonian since 25th Nov 2002Sat 25-Nov-06 07:29 PM
I am stuck in an analysis/paralysis cycle trying to decide between the Nikon 85 1.8 + close up diopter and the Tamron 90 Macro...I will be using a D80 with this lens.
I don't know how wise these words are, but here goes.
Bill Claff calculated the 85mm + Nikon 6T as giving a maximum reproduction ratio of 1:2.8 versus the 1:1 of the Tamron, and after figuring out which camera I was using my shots confirm that. I don't know if that's enough of a close-up lens for your needs. The other problem is that the 6T appears to be a discontinued item, and used copies are selling well over the supposed retail price.
I've used several different short-tele macros for portrature. I still use a 90mm f/2.5 Tokina for this purpose. Depending on the lens, there are two or three shortcomings to this approach. The first is the smaller maximum aperture. Not only does this make it slower to focus in dim light, but it also limits the control you have over depth of field. That being said, my Tokina is the same speed as the legendary Nikon 105mm f/2.5.
The second is focus throw. Since the mechanism of a macro lens covers a longer range of subject distances, at portrait distances the focus is very sensitive. Sometimes too sensitive. Especially when focusing manually, it's very easy to overcorrect your focus point.
The third is bokeh. Many macro lenses, but far from all, have indifferent to poor rendition of the out-of-focus area, which can cause jarring transitions between the subject and the background. I've never used the Tamron, so I can't really speak to this.
I've yet to find a Nikon-mount prime in the 85-105mm range that wasn't razor sharp by f/5.6, macro or not.
So as you'd probably expect, either choice offers some compromises. If I was looking for a dual-purpose lens for a D80, I'd probably go with the 60mm f/2.8 Micro or Sigma's 70mm macro instead of either of these.
"There is no real magic in photography, just the sloppy intersection of physics and art." — Kirk Tuck
#2. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 0yo_andrew Nikonian since 26th Jan 2006Sat 25-Nov-06 08:09 PM
>I am trying to satisfy two interests (portrait & close-up
>photography) with one lens.
>I am stuck in an analysis/paralysis cycle trying to decide
>between the Nikon 85 1.8 + close up diopter and the Tamron
>90 Macro...I will be using a D80 with this lens
often, after having been stuck trying to force a decision, I have discovered the reason for being stuck: I HADN'T HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION.
Maybe by thinking it possible to complete your lens collection with "one more lens", it seems you have limited yourself, perhaps unnecessarily, to at least one huge compromise: a standard, film-sized portrait lens with a close-up accessory. This is bound to disappoint on macro at least. And by requiring that your highly speciallized portrait and close-up lenses be one and the same, you must compromise one or the other.
Portrait lenses desire to have a large aperture for subject isolation (which just happens to make them outstanding in low-light conditions, where zooms are usually not), whereas macro lenses require close-focus capability, but commonly suffer a small maximum aperture. This dilemma is simply solved by the proper application of MONEY (sorry, no, I don't know of a magic bullet which has no compromise).
So far you have collected some zooms, but have realized, correctly, that none of them is the ultimate portrait or macro lens. Depending on which feels more important to YOU, you would be well-advised to buy the BEST you can afford (I'd stick with Nikkor): portrait or macro. After you have absorbed this new addition into your kit, and gained experience with it, you may find that one of your zooms could easily be sacrificed in order to fund the purchase of the other specialized lens.
Bottom line is hold out for a really GREAT lens for each of these functions. Your photography will show you the difference.
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"THERE'S MORE TO OPTICS THAN MEETS THE EYE"
Not till we have lost the world do we begin to find ourselves
#3. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 2untamedheart Registered since 09th Jan 2005Sat 25-Nov-06 10:54 PM
Id say your best bet is 60mm Micro. A very good portrait lens especially for head shots...(not great at infinity) and super sharp for macros. Working distance is minimal tho.
F5, D80, F100, D50
Nikon 85mm F1.4 AF-D, Nikon 16mm F2.8 AF-D, Nikon 80-200 f2.8 AF-S, Nikon 35-70mm F2.8 AF-D, Nikon 105mm F2.8 Micro AF, Nikon 60mm F2.8 Micro AF-D, Nikon 105mm F2.5 , Nikon 105mm f1.8, Nikon 50mm F1.8 AF, Nikon 75-150mm Series E
Current line up
85mm f1.4 AFD, 50mm f1.4 AFD, 28-70mm F2.8 AFS, 17-35mm F2.8 AFS, 80-200mm F2.8 AFS, 35mm F1.4 AI, 28mm f2 AIS, 105mm F2.8 AF Micro, 105mm F2.8 VR, 105mm F2.5 AIS x 2, 105mm F1.8 AIS, 60mm F2.8AF Micro, 50mm F1.8 AF, 50mm F1.8 AI, 16mm F2.8 AFD Fisheye, 75-150mm F3.5 E x 3, 35-70mm F2.8AFD, 180mm F2.8 AIS ED, 12-24 F4 Dx, 28-80mm F3.5-5.6, Sigma 100-300mm F4-5.6, Tamron 90mm f2.8, Tamron 17-50mm f2.8
#4. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 0
The Nikon 35-70 f2.8D is a great lens for portraits and it also has a macro mode. You could purchase a Canon 250D or a Canon 500D filter instead of the Nikon 6T.
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#5. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 4medimond Registered since 14th Nov 2005Sun 26-Nov-06 02:15 AM
As much as I like my new (used) 35-70mm F2.8D lens it has a Maximum Reproduction Ratio (Macro Setting): .7. Not exactly a 1:1 ratio.
My 28-105mm has a better Maximum Reproduction Ratio (Macro Setting): 1:2.74
I agree, this photography hobby (for me) is expensive! It's hard to purchase one lens that does everything well.
#6. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 5edmun Registered since 16th Sep 2003Sun 26-Nov-06 03:53 AM
AFS 24-85, AF 70-300 ED, AFS DX 18-70 are already in your bag.
All three are good portrait lens. The 70-300 needs to be on a tripod.
I have used the Tamron version of this for nudes in a studio class, I taught where I had to stand behind the students. Quite sharp.
#8. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 5sergeantcigar Registered since 23rd Dec 2005Wed 16-Jan-08 11:58 AM
I don't think it's quite that bad... From Nikon's website:
Closest Marked Focus Dist
: 0.6m/2 ft.
Maximum Reproduction Ratio
So, it is .7 at 2 ft, and 1:4 at .9 ft. Still not the same as a 1:1 ratio, but considerably better than .7 if you get close enough (.9 ft.). For someone just starting out with a lens collection, it is a great place to begin. As always, when you try to get more than one specialty out of a lens, you are going to give something up. I do think on a DSLR, this is a very good portrait lens.
Also, the ability to get close to your subject gives you some creative latitude. Here is a shot of the walkway going up to my house. It won't make it to a fine arts show, but it does show what you can do with this lens. It also shows the very good bokeh this lens has.
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#7. "RE: Lens for both portraits and close-up photography" | In response to Reply # 0
I find the 105mm f/2.8 micro Nikkor on a 35mm film camera perfect for portrait and close-up work. However, I am not sure how well it would work on the APS-size digital camera.