I just got the 85mm f/1.4 lens-A true beauty. I was expecting amazing bokeh, but it is really out of this world. I took a picture of a 3-4" branch about 10 feet away with a backround of tree tops and sky.
It is really unbelieveable what this lens can do at f/1.4.
You will find that the manual 85/1.4 falls below the AF 1.4 in terms of bokeh. There can be a certain roughness to the rendition of background detail. On the other hand, it shows less colour fringing and is sharper when stopped down, so it is better as a landscape lens. I own and use both, each for what they do best.
The 200/2 VR by the way has every bit as good bokeh as the AF 85/1.4, it might even be better
anyone have any information about the 85mm f/1.8? im new to photograhy and like doing Portraits but i also dont have a $1000 to drop on a lens when i can get a used 1.8 for around $200 does anyone have any shots with the 1.8?
In general, I find the 85mm f/1.8 to be sharp, contrasty, and without noticeable geometric distortion. It has well controlled flare characteristics, and it even uses relatively inexpensive 62mm filters. But when it comes to bokeh, it's less than optimal.
My apologies, but here comes "shot 37" again . I burned off this shot with the 85mm f/1.8 after doing a shoot against a backdrop. It's a throwaway, but I use it as an illustration of both "bright circle" and "double line" forms of bad bokeh in the background chrome.
I very much doubt an 85mm f/1.4 could have saved this shot, but it does show that the 85mm f/1.8 slightly over-corrects spherical aberrations in the background at this shooting distance.
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thanks for the example so in your opinion is it worth the extra money for the 1.4? (im e-bay hunting right now) and I just put down $100 for a 1.8 MF but I don’t think that will last… if it does I will be shocked I want to get top notch primes but I cant spend that much just yet
thanks for the example so in your opinion is it worth the extra money for the 1.4?
The only way I can answer that question is to say that I haven't used the 85mm f/1.4 and have no intention to buy one. This week, that is .
But it's a subjective call based on what you shoot, the way you shoot it, your budget, and what value you place on speed and bokeh. If the creamy bokeh of the 85mm f/1.4 gets a pro one new regular client, it's clearly worth the extra $700. But if that $700 means not paying the bills on time, it's clearly not worth it.
I freely admit to being a portrait lens addict. I use a number of different focal lengths, depending on the subject and the mood (intimate, casual, or formal) I'm trying to capture.
One of the traps for new photographers is to adopt a style based on equipment rather than choosing the equipment that suits their style. An 85mm f/1.4 is a great tool, but it may not be the right tool for you. Since a $1000 purchase will be a strain on your budget, I suggest either renting or borrowing one before buying, or working with some less expensive and specialized tools until you're sure of your own preferences.
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HI ultra, I'm not going to dispute the quality and characteristics of the 85 f1.4. I have both the MF and AF versions. Overall it is my favorite lens and has been for a long time.
I do want to open up an alternative when it comes to bokeh. The 105 f2DC lens has amazing bokeh. Better than the 85 f1.4? Well...... different. Since the 105DC is not as fast, wide open it is not as out focus away from the focal plane as the 1.4 wide open at any given distance. Thus, the 1.4 is better at selective focus. But at the same aperture, the DC has smoothest, creamyest, most beautiful bokeh I have ever seen. It's almost magical. The DC has not been experienced by many people so it tends to left out of the bokeh competition. I just want to alert folks to it. As a portrait lens, I think it is the best, period.
Would I trade the 85 f1.4 for the 105 f2DC? No. The selective focus of the 85 trumps the advantages of DC and on a DSLR the DC's focal length is a bit too long for my tastes. On a film camera the decision to choose one or the other would be harder. It would depend on whether I did mostly portrait work which I don't. Would I have both lenses? You bet, and I do.
Can't wait for mine to be delivered. Since I already have 2 great 2.8 zooms, 17-55 and 70-200 I was hesitant to get the 28-70. Even though the 28-70 2.8 has great bokeh I wanted a faster lens and the 85 1.4D probably has better bokeh. So I decided on the 85mm 1.4D and some foot power to fill in the above 55mm missing from the 17-55mm.
Now I have to decide whether to get a big telephoto or NAS with the 28-70. I will have to see how well my 85mm makes me not miss the 55-70 range.
In my sights was either a Nikkor 105mm f/1.8 AI-s or a Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/2.8 AI-s, for different reasons the two, but I thought that since I want to get into some macro/microphotography, I'd start with the Micro 105 and have a secondary portrait lens as well (I use the AF 85mm f/1.4D IF) as my main portrait lens.
But now you drew my attention to something I had never considered before: the AF 105mm f/2D DC. Are you serious about the bokeh? If so, micro/macrophotography may have to wait! How does the focusing ring feel when the lens is focused manually? Any input from you would be highly appreciated.
HI Magus, Well, you posed the difficult question. The 105 f2DC is as fully professional as any Nikkor. It is certainly as good as the 85 f1.4D. The feel of the focus ring is top notch but I must admit that I have mostly used this lens on my D2H in AF. I shoot street portraits with it and the 85.
On the D2H the effective focal lengh is about 157mm. For me that's a bit long for studio portrait work. With film cameras it is THE classic portrait focal length. But then, so is the 85.
If you place bokeh as your number one priority then I would choose the DC. It's bokeh is astounding. Rick Walker (walkerr) and I have exchanged views concerning this lens. Rick, chime in here if you wish. I don't want to put words into your mouth.
My impression is Rick is less enthusiastic than I am. He feels the DC effects are very subtle and don't jump at you. I tend to agree about the effects being subtle. However, with extended use I have concluded that it's subtlety adds up to a beautiful image making capability.
That said, and with two somwhat different views being expressed, you should give the lens a try. I was fortunate in that I found the lens at my local dealer. I was able to borrow it and evaluate the results. Obviously, I bought it.
I recently acquired the 105 mm DC Nikkor and have had it out a few times on a D2X. My early reaction is that it is a challenging lens that will take some time and practice to fully utilize. Others on this site have raved about it as a portrait lens and I am willing to invest the necessary time to master it.
Any suggestions concerning the use of the DC ring? The effects do appear subtle to me as others have mentioned. When properly managed with the also demanding D2X, it produces spectacular results. Sharpness at the subject focal plane is amazing.
Thanks for your comments,
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Hi Magus I do not like AF lenses in principle too. I got, as you did, AF1.4/85. I think that lens is prity solid and feels good. Some get AF lenses gets rattles inside the barel, but this one looks "normal" It is optically beter than ais sister, but that mechanical part of the lens take me to think about MF. If I know that my AF will be forever in the same condition as now is I will newer consider MF, but as I could find around it can get loose due to lens hood turning on/off many times (which I never use). What is your points in getting MF. I have two F6 and looking for another Nikon lens for my second F6. I use now 2.8/55 ais and it is rock on steel but that bokeh eh eh eh make me to think about another lens but which?
>Thus, the 1.4 is better at selective focus. But at the same aperture, the DC >has smoothest, creamyest, most beautiful bokeh I have ever >seen. It's almost magical. The DC has not been experienced >by many people so it tends to left out of the bokeh >competition. I just want to alert folks to it. As a portrait >lens, I think it is the best, period.
Sparky, I agree with your statement. Here is a good example of what the 105 DC can do.
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Congratulations on your recently acquired 85mm f/1.4 lens.
I have used the 85mm f/1.8 for years but have never considered replacing it with the f/1.4 because of the difference in filter size. Since the f/1.8 uses a 52mm filter and the other lenses I normally carry with this lens also use 52mm filters, it fits right in. The slightly faster 85mm f/1.4 lenses do not fit in as well because the manual focus uses a 72mm filter and the auto focus uses a 77mm filter.
> The slightly faster 85mm f/1.4 lenses do not fit in as well > because the manual focus uses a 72mm filter and the auto focus > uses a 77mm filter.
I guess that this makes sense if one already owns the 1.8, but since so many of the modern Nikkors (300 f/4, 70-200 2.8, 12-24 f/4) have more or less standardized on 77mm filters, those make up the bulk of my filter kit. So ignoring cost, the 1.4 might make more sense for people just starting a collection.
I generally prefer larger filters anyway, because I can usually use step-down rings to adapt them to smaller diameters (which one can't do in the other direction).
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Yes, I agree. In my opinion the 70-200mm VR is the best zoom lens in terms of bokeh. It needs a little more separation between the subject and backround due the the smaller aperture, but this is insignificant. Both perform wonderfully!
The top one taken in summer at Blue Pool near Wareham (that is the blue in the bottom of the shot) second one taken a week or two ago in the New Forest, both places are within 30 minutes from where I live (south coast UK)
PS, I need to fill in my profile again (had to re-register after the crash) both pics are from a d70 and 70-200vr
>Thanks guys > >The top one taken in summer at Blue Pool near Wareham (that >is the blue in the bottom of the shot) second one taken a >week or two ago in the New Forest, both places are within 30 >minutes from where I live (south coast UK) > >Jon > >PS, I need to fill in my profile again (had to re-register >after the crash) both pics are from a d70 and 70-200vr
Well what do you know, I'm about 30 mins from the New Forest too (south coast). Howdy Neighbour.
>Well what do you know, I'm about 30 mins from the New Forest >(south coast). >Howdy Neighbour.
Small world, I love the New Forest, it's so peaceful in the winter I can walk for hours with the dog (well ok it's sometimes a bit cold for that!). I've been going quite often recently to try out my new wide angle lens (12-24dx) on the cows http://oneoddsock.co.uk/pics/cow_1024_9792.jpg?"
I am hoping to get down there first thing in the morning when we have had a frost and test my new 85mm on a steaming forest pony. I like the scrubby heathland bits but as of yet have failed to capture an inspiring image.
>I just got the 85mm f/1.4 lens-A true beauty. I was >expecting amazing bokeh, but it is really out of this world. >I took a picture of a 3-4" branch about 10 feet away with a >backround of tree tops and sky. > >It is really unbelieveable what this lens can do at f/1.4. > >Try to find the branch. hehe
I would love to have this lens one day Have you tried using it for portraits or candids?
I have used it for some candids, though I find it just a little long on digital for standard portraits. I would post some examples but, to put it nicely, my portrait work leaves a lot to be desired. Great lens for this purpose, if you can get back far enough
OK....in another thread I was convinced to get the 70-200 VR instead of the D200...but now I'm thinking of the 85mm f/1.4.
My favorite portrait lenses that I own are my 60mm f/2.8 micro and my sigma 70-200 f/2.8. I was going to sell the sigma and get the 70-200 VR, but do you think I should get the 85 1.4 instead? I have to sell my sigma to get either, so I loose some range if I get the 85mm. What do you think?
It is a hard call. I have both, and could not imagine selling one. I think the 70-200mm VR is the lens to get first, due to its versatility, and then add on the 85mm when your bank account recovers from the first shock. THe 85mm is a wonderful lens for some puropses, but the zoom is more useful in some situations with the VR and all. It really depends on how much flexibilty you want, and how much available light photograhpy you do.
Good luck with your choice, you can't go wrond with either.
A few years back I struggled with whether or not to get the 85mm f/1.4 over the f/1.8. I ended up getting the f/1.8. It took very nice portraits but I never got over not getting the f/1.4. To make a long story short, last summer I finally gave in and ordered one. This is a fabulous lens. The photos are stunning! As for my f/1.8, I gave it to my sister and she loves it! I guess the moral to this story is if you have your heart set on this lens, get it, or you will always want it. In the end you may end up saving some money.
" I guess the moral to this story is if you have your heart set on this lens, get it, or you will always want it. In the end you may end up saving some money. "
What you say is very true.
In my relatively short 44 years on this earth, I have come to the conclusion that when there is something you want, but you "settle for" something lesser (usually due to budgetary issues); almost ALWAYS you regret it; and then you end up buying that which you wanted in the first place later on. So it works out that in "trying to save some money", in the long run, you end up spending far more $$ than if you just sprang for, or saved for, that which you really wanted in the first place.
Crunchyriff, I agree with all my heart. I retired from the military after 30 years, 5 months, and 19 days (no, I wasn't counting, it is on my retirement orders) and for my entire adult life I lived with what the "lowest bidder" supplied the US Army.
I have earned and deserve better, ergo ... Nikon ... upper echelon Nikon. I will continue to build my arsenal as finances permit.
A few months back my son asked me to compare the Canon Digital Rebel against the D70. The best way I could explain it was to compare a Corvette against a Ferrari. Both are fast and handle extremely well but .... a Corvette is a Chevy, a Ferrari is a legend. He bought the D70 kit, SB 600, and I gave him a 70-300D. Not bad for a first camera. I bought the 70-300D for about $350 and ended up getting the 80-400 VR a month later. Could have, should have saved some money on the first go round.
Well ...you wont find any Bokeh here lol ... but I do love using the 85 f 1.4 lens for all sorts of shooting when I'm not doing portraits. These were taken at Vancouver Airport near sunset this afternoon Dec 18. ... 1 /1000 sec at f 4.5 ISO 200.