80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience
Hello fellow nikonians, how difficult it is to get sharp pictures on a 80-200 F2.8 ED handheld? at 200mm shutter speed 1/60 with say ISO 100 in normal cloudy skies?
#1. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 0smzimmer Basic MemberMon 22-Oct-01 06:05 AM
I own the 80-200 afs and have no problem getting sharp photos hand held. I frequently shoot 100 speed film with 80-200 and F100 @ speed 1/60. This is the default speed on program mode with flash. I get very sharp results. There are many times when a tripod is just not convenient. Of course, the caveat is that any photo will not be as sharp as one shot with tripod. I frequently have my film developed (usually Fuji Reala) and order 5x7 prints and they are very sharp. I really like my 80-200 lens and use it often.
#2. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 1Mon 22-Oct-01 08:32 AM
I'm saving already for 80-200 f2.8 but i plan not to get the one w/ AFS. I tried the non-AFS and AFS in shops and the first one is lighter and reacts fast in my F80. The AFS really focus faster and more quiet(not that big difference though for me). Since my subjects are usually not fast moving (portrait, landscape, street, flowers etc.) then the cheaper and lighter version suffice for me already. I don't know if the 5 ED lens of the AFS version will have an impact on the pictures that i'll capture in comparison with the 3 ED lens that D-ED have.
Am i making a good decision? do i make sense?
#3. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 2jrp Charter MemberMon 22-Oct-01 10:34 AM
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For handheld shots at 1/60 sec with the 80-200mm f/2.8D ED lens, lean against a tree, a car, a wall; tuck your arms against your chest, craddle the lens with your left hand, breath in and breath out slowly, as you breath out again, squeeze, (don't jerk) the trigger button. It is possible, but whenever you can at least use a monopod.
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#4. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 2Mon 22-Oct-01 03:56 PM
Many seem to think the non-AFS current version has sharper optics, and is the better buy, despite two fewer ed elements. I have been researching this for a while and have run into several people and quite a few articles written on the subject.
So you won't be missing much since the standard focuses fairly fast.
#5. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 1tomas Basic MemberTue 23-Oct-01 06:59 AM
I also own the 80-200 2.8 ED lens & have to be honest with my comment on the ability to produce sharp images hand held. I have a problem hand holding the lens & shooting at any shutter speed less than 200.In order to produce images sharp enough to have enlarged to 8x10 I very often have to rely on a monopod or tripod. If 4x5 prints is what I'm after, hand held shooting at higher shutter speeds are adequate. However I have found when enlarged the prints do not have the same crisp sharpness as the ones shot on a monopod/tripod.
This is my findings, others who can hand hold with out camera shake at lower shutter speeds are to be admired but not everyone has that ability.If it only had the VR technology now your talking.
This is not to take away anything from the performance of this rather fine lens. It's just that it's weight in my opinion is something that must be taken into condersation when using this lens to it's maximum potential.
#6. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 5Tue 23-Oct-01 10:23 AM
That seems about right. It really confirms the old rule of thumb. I know a few people who can handhold longer lenses, but they are a rare few.
Now Tomas, you own the nonafs version right? How do you like it?
#7. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 6tomas Basic MemberTue 23-Oct-01 11:58 AM
>That seems about right. It
>really confirms the old rule
>of thumb. I know
>a few people who can
>handhold longer lenses, but they
>are a rare few.
>Now Tomas, you own the nonafs
>version right? How do
>you like it?
In response to your question how do I like the 80-200 2.8 lens.
Yes, I was referring to the A/F Nikkor ED 80-200 2.8 non S lens, latest version with tripod collar.
Aside from the weight of the lens which I commented on I believe that the 80-200 2.8 is a great lens, probably one of the finest zoom tele lenses available in that focal ramge. I have found it to have excellent sharpness at all focal lengths & apertures except when focused close when it's slightly soft.It suffers from some light fall off when used wide open but is reduced when stopped down.
You have to remember it's a zoom lens & even though it's performance can compare to many quality primes, in my opinion is still not their equal. This is true of any zoom vs prime comparison.
It's A/F speed on the F100 is in my opinion almost as fast as the S lens, which I had the chance to test it against before purchasing.Despite it having a different optical system to the far more expensive 80-200 2.8 AFS lens the performance & results in my opinion is almost equal & not readly distinguishable.
So I guess the answer to your question is I do like the lens.Just wish it had VR technology.
#8. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 7f5fstop Basic MemberTue 23-Oct-01 01:26 PM
I have seen the reports of the AF-S having better optics and MTF scores; however, I cannot determine a difference between the two, and I can't believe anyone else can.
As for AF speed, I will have to say I noticed a large difference in AF speed between the two when shooting hawks. With the non-AF-S version (which I have sold) it was extremely difficult to get good shots of hawks flying over rivers. However, with the AF-S, the AF speed has allowed me to obtain some decent hawk photos; under the same circumstances. (Same with air shows when we had them.)
This is not with the limiter switch set to limit the AF range, when the switch is set to limit the range, it is a lot faster.
For shooting other subjects, the older version never failed in obtaining a decent shot.
Both lenses were used with an F100 and F5.
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#9. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 8Tue 23-Oct-01 04:32 PM
This is just a massively unresolved issue for me. This is the reason I started testing Sigmas in the first place.
I just don't get it, the standard 80-200 is around $850; the AFS is $1500. The Sigma with HSM is $800. MTF testing, they form a tight group.
I want an all purpose solution (the zoom would cover from 80-400 with TC) for 400/5.6 and less, I guess I'll just keep the 300mm AFS with TC.
Uh oh, just had a thought. I'm thinking too much, the sky is blue, I have a great camera/lens system - - - time to shoot some pictures.
I'll get back with thinking tonight!!!!!!!!!!!
#10. "RE: 80-200 F2.8 handheld? w/experience" | In response to Reply # 9Thu 25-Oct-01 02:47 AM
I'm very happy with my 80-200 f/2.8 ED version with tripod collar for which i managed to bargain upto 830 USD. I am not very interested with moving subjects so i didn't purchase the more expensive AFS version. The sigma 70-200 f/2.8 USM was another consideration since the shop owner is really explaining me the technical benefits of the sigma in comparision with the nikkor. 8 contact pins (could be used for teleconverters??), USM high speed silent motor, 30 USD cheaper, fixed maximum aperture of 2.8 in the entire focal length, hood included, 5 low dispersion lens. But i had a bad first impression. I feel the sigma is poor in construction quality compared with nikkor and it looks darker in my F80's viewfinder compared with the Nikkor. The focusing speed is also not as fast as the Nikkor AFS 80-200 f/2.8. Just my opinion.
Well, i'll try to expose some films this coming sunday and see how steady my hands could be carrying this huge lens.
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