Here's my deal. My wife has a D7000 w/ 18-200 on it full time. We want to improve the optics. She wants an all around lens. She rarely shoots at the longer end of the 18-200.
Here's the my real deal. Whatever I get her, I want to also use it on my D800E. Should I get her (me) a 17-35 2.8, 16-35 4.0, 24-70 2.8 or some other lens? I've ruled out the 14-24 2.8. It's too heavy for her and I fear her pre-school class will trash it.
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#1. "RE: FX Wide Zoom for D7000" | In response to Reply # 0WildIsle Nikonian since 06th Jan 2010Fri 15-Feb-13 02:25 AM
Seems these questions are fairly common so you could scroll through this forum and find lots of advice on pretty much this exact topic.
One thing I note is that most of the lenses you ask about are leaning to the wide side of things whereas the 18-200 covers a greater range starting at an FX equivalent not as wide as the FX lenses you seem curious about. So I guess you have to decide if it's a wide angle zoom you want for your D800 or an all round FX lens that will do double duty on both DX & FX?
If it's the latter then I guess the 28-300 might be on your list. I don't have that lens so I can't speak about it first hand but the accounts I read sound like the IQ is pretty decent. Not quite up the standard of the 24-70 f2.8 though.
Personally I'm a fan of the 24-120 f4. I shoot it on both DX and FX. The IQ is better than good, very good really but maybe not quite outstanding. But it's the range that I find so useful.
All the lenses you mention are have great optics and others will chime in to bat for them and offer other suggestions. You can't go wrong with either of them. But to find one that fits best you could look through your past images in Lightroom et al and get an idea of where a majority of your images are shot on the focal length scale. That might help guide you toward a zoom range that best fits your collective styles.
Whatever you get I think making sure pre-schoolers stay well away from it to avoid disappointment goes without saying!
#2. "RE: FX Wide Zoom for D7000" | In response to Reply # 0jec6613 Registered since 12th Feb 2013Fri 15-Feb-13 06:28 AM | edited Fri 15-Feb-13 06:58 AM by jec6613
One of the problems with DX cameras is that although they're great on the tele end, the wide end wrecks havoc. If you want a wide FX zoom that's still considered wide, and not normal, on DX, there's only one choice: the 14-24 f/2.8. It's one impressive piece of glass, but not what you want.
Of the remaining ones you mention, the problem with the 24-70 is of course that it starts far too long for DX - while it's 24-70 on your D800, that becomes a 35-105 on the D7000, which isn't terribly useful if you want wide.
On the flipside, the 16-35 and 17-35 suffer from the opposite problem: they only go to 52.5 mm on the long end on the D7000, barely past a normal prime, while the 24 and 25.5 mm FoV at the wide angle really barely gets into wide angle. Of those two though, you want the 16-35 and not the 17-35. It's a modern lens with Nano coating and VR, which the 17-35 lacks, being so old that the top end Nikon camera at the time of its launch was the F5! The extra stop is made up for by the VR, and high ISO capability of DSLRs.
Honestly, if you want her to have improved optics, I'd go with a DX lens ... *AND* get yourself an FX lens. No, seriously!
- For the D800E, the 16-35 f/4 with its VR is perfect.
- For the D7000 the 16-85 DX VR is the ideal lens.
Here's why: when you say, "Here's my deal. My wife has a D7000 w/ 18-200 on it full time. We want to improve the optics. She wants an all around lens. She rarely shoots at the longer end of the 18-200." ... this screams for the 16-85. Let me explain:
To leave it on your camera all of the time, you need moderate wide angle and a moderate telephoto, which means it needs to start at 28 mm, or, even better, 24 mm (on DX, that means 16-18 mm) and it needs to go beyond 85 mm (that's 55 mm on her D7000). So, the minimum range to leave it on the camera for her is 18-55 (ever wonder why that's the kit zoom range? that's why, it's a very flexible range; I'd be willing to bet a few dollars that the majority of her shots were taken between 18 and 55 mm). In the long list of 18-xx DX zooms (18-55, 18-70, 18-105, 18-135, 18-200 and 18-300), all of which could be considered fairly sharp, but none of them stand out above the 18-200 you have on it already. However, there's also the 17-55 DX and 16-85 DX, both of which are superior to the 18-200 that's on there now - but both have the drawback of being DX only. The 16-85 is the more flexible choice, and is also significantly less costly, letting you execute on step two:
As you said, "Here's the my real deal. Whatever I get her, I want to also use it on my D800E. Should I get her (me) a 17-35 2.8, 16-35 4.0, 24-70 2.8 or some other lens? I've ruled out the 14-24 2.8. It's too heavy for her and I fear her pre-school class will trash it."
Well, none of those would ever ben an all-in-one lens on a D7000, as mentioned above - although the closest is the 16-35 f/4 (I'm discounting the 17-35 f/2.8 for the reasons mentioned above). The 24-70 f/2.8 would actually make a fairly good portrait lens on DX.
Combined, the 16-85 and 16-35, come roughly to the price of the now old and hopefully soon to be replaced 17-35 f/2.8 or the 14-24 f/2.8, and she gets an optically superior replacement for the 18-200 without compromising much if any capability, while you get a new lens for yourself. If she needs telephoto beyond the 16-85, that's when you reach for the FX lenses where the DX's smaller sensor gives them an even longer reach.
Oh, and while you're sitting here and debating it, go out and order the 35 mm f/1.8G DX. You will love it, everybody with a DX camera does, it has high quality optics in a small inexpensive package, at about $200 USD new. Who knows, that might end up being the only one she decides she needs!
That's just my tuppence though.
#3. "RE: FX Wide Zoom for D7000" | In response to Reply # 0briantilley Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Fri 15-Feb-13 07:21 AM | edited Fri 15-Feb-13 07:22 AM by briantilley
Welcome to Nikonians! A word of caution, before you make your decision...
A "better" lens will not necessarily improve your wife's images - that statement applies to anyone, I'm not singling her out...
Depending on what the limiting factor is with her D7000 and 18-200mm, a lens with higher optical quality might no make too much difference. For example, if she is typically shooting at slower shutter speeds and relying on the 18-200mm's VR system, than a lens like the 24-70mm, excellent though it is, could make things worse.
The 18-200mm is not great at any one thing, but it is a very good all-round lens that is capable of some really nice results.
My second thought is that you may be looking for too much from a single lens, and could end up with a compromise that doesn't really satisfy either of you.
Basically, I would encourage you to do some more analysis of what you'd both like to improve before jumping in. If you've already done that and just didn't mention it, I apologise
#4. "RE: FX Wide Zoom for D7000" | In response to Reply # 0Ray B Registered since 17th Dec 2008Fri 15-Feb-13 10:43 AM | edited Fri 15-Feb-13 10:44 AM by Ray B
>We want to improve the optics.
>She rarely shoots at the longer end of the 18-200.
>Whatever I get her, I want to also use it on my D800E.
>I've ruled out the 14-24 2.8.
I took the key issues in your question to be these ^^^
And based on that I really think the 16-35mm 4.0 VR is the perfect choice as it meets those requirements and offers a good step up in IQ.
Only you can decide if 35mm is long enough for your wife on DX bearing in mind she rarely shoots at the long end.
The 16-35mm is fast becoming my favorite lens on my D600 and I'm sure you'd be delighted with it on your D800E too
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