I have just purchased the new Nikon D600 body only as I intended to use my Nikon 16-85 DX and 70-300 VR lenses, which I currently use on my also recently purchased D7000.
However, after going into the matter a little further, I am now thinking that to use the DX lens in crop form, would be a waste of the D600's resources and was wondering which lens I should purchase?
I'm not too familiar with shutter/apperture settings at this stage, but I've bought 'Mastering the D7000' and also saw that Stan recommended to another member, Bryan Petterson's book, 'Understanding Exposure', so I'm into those at the moment.
I've read a few reports about the kit lens ie the 24-85 and the price would certainly suit my budget, but apparently there's distortion/pincushioning (per Gordon Lang's review on Camera Labs) I'm not sure what these terminologies mean exactly, but they don't sound good.
May I ask for advice as to a decent FX lens - I know that the 24-70 would suit, but I really didn't want to commit to that degree of expenditure at the moment.
Many thanks for your anticipated responses.
#1. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 0MotoMannequin Registered since 11th Jan 2006Thu 20-Sep-12 06:42 PM | edited Thu 20-Sep-12 06:44 PM by MotoMannequin
Maybe for comparison you should reference some reviews on your 16-85. The distortion on that lens is pretty extreme, so if you haven't noticed it there, it probably won't bother you on the 24-85. You'll find this is always the case with lenses that zoom from very wide to telephoto, and all of the 24-xx FX zooms do the same thing. If it really bothers you then you should probably only consider primes (lenses that don't zoom).
Honestly I'd recommend you master the basics and figure out how you'd like to specialize your photography, which will drive your lens choices, rather than load yourself down with a lot of pretty average, general purpose lenses.
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#3. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 1Thu 20-Sep-12 07:49 PM
Thank you for your response Larry and I did reference some reviews on the 16-85 and you were right about the distortion. Maybe the best way to go is to get a 'prime' as Steven suggests and use it on the D600 for general stuff?
#2. " RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 0
Somewhat agree with Larry with your lens choices. The key is your own shooting style. I wouldn't purchase another 24-85 or 24-70 mid range lens because you've pretty much have it on your DX body. The reason most people wanted FX, may be going wider? may be shallower DOF?
For a small budget, I would start with may be a 50mm f/1.4 for both low light and shallow DOF situations. Or a 85mm f/1.4 or f/1.8 for people photography on your D600. I'll use your DX lens on your D600 and use the 50mm / 85mm for more specialize situations. I am not a big fan of walk around lens type of person. I usually have one walk around zoom lens and pair up with a bunch of primes for my everyday shooting needs.
However, everyone has their own style and only you'll find the right gear for yourself. Hope that helps.
#4. " RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 2Thu 20-Sep-12 07:58 PM
Can I ask you, Steven what the differences are in the 'primes' you mention and if one is better than the other for the odd landscape shot and general every day shots? I'm not trying to reach the pinicle of photography, just want to take nice amateur pics (lol)
You also say you would use the DX lens on the D600 - do you mean the D7000 or am I picking you up incorrectly?
#5. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 4masteven Registered since 23rd Jun 2012Thu 20-Sep-12 11:44 PM
I would continue using your DX lens on either the D7000 or D600. If you need bigger file size for bigger prints, then the D7000. If you are only printing smaller prints (say no bigger than 10" by 12", this has no scientific number but from experience I know my 6mp D70 will print 10" by 12" no problem) I'll use it on the D600 for better dynamic range and better high ISO performance.
Prime lens usually deliver better picture qualities because zoom lens has to compromise for a range of focal lengths. Modern high end zoom lens deliver great qualities but the good ones can be expensive. Now your existing lens would cover your everyday basic general situation. you could invest your money in one of these things to expand your horizon.
1. a wide angle lens for landscape
2. a FAST prime lens for low light or people (50mm or 85mm as mentioned)
3. a macro lens for macro photography
4. a long lens for wildlife photography (most expensive amongst above options)
5. a fisheye lens (probably least popular and usually one of the last ones people buy)
And there are probably more and in each category there will be high end and entry level versions. First thing first is figure out which style interests you most. I'll let others to provide you more specific lenses.
#6. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 0
> kit lens ie the 24-85 ... but apparently there's distortion/pincushioning ... I know that the 24-70 would suit
Let's put this in some perspective. The 24-70 also has a non-trivial amount of distortion, especially at the wider end of the range. Furthermore, it actually as more corner fall-off than even the 70-200/f2.8 AFS VR-I, which is "notorious" for its corner fall-off. And finally, for some reason, nobody ever seems to say it, but the 24-70 has a fairly high degree of field curvature. So are you sure that it would suit? I mean, who would use a lens with all these problems?
Oh wait... that's the reference standard! OK, it has less distortion than the 18-200VR or 16-85VR and even though it has corner fall-off oddly enough folks seem to get over it (and on the 70-200) and most people seem not to even know what field curvature means. Oh, and the post processing software is able to correct almost all of this in one click (certainly Lightroom and DxO do).
As Larry said, you seem satisfied with the 16-85, which ALSO has all that distortion, some corner fall-off, and I'm sure it has other optical defects too. The 24-85 is probably a very reasonable kit lens. Nikon basically don't make any real losers (the old 70-300G isn't so great though).
> I'm not too familiar with shutter/aperture settings at this stage
If that's your level of photography, to be honest, you probably don't need a D600 at all, let alone the lens complications that come with it. In fact, you will likely find that there is surprisingly small difference between the D600 and the D7000 - it will be there, but these tools are skill multipliers. Until your skills improve (and by then you'll also know a lot more precisely what you need), my advice would be to not spend a lot more money on gear and spend it on improving the photographer.
Brian... a bicoastal Nikonian and Team Member
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#8. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 6briantilley Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003Fri 21-Sep-12 06:15 AM
I'm with (the other) Brian on this one. I'd leave things as they are for a while whilst you learn more about the equipment you have and how to deploy it, and gain some more photographic experience and knowledge. Careful study of the two books you have bought will give you a great start.
Incidentally, I probably wouldn't have recommended getting a D600 at this stage, but since you already have it, that's a bit of a "fait accompli"
#9. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 7Fri 21-Sep-12 07:20 AM
Thank you Gentlemen for all youre advice. I think the best thing is to 'hold fire' for the time being and not purchase anything more until I gain more experience and more importantly, know what I'm doing.
It's been a pleasure communicating with you all and i hope to do so again in the not too distant future.
#10. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 9jgould2 Nikonian since 13th Oct 2007Fri 21-Sep-12 03:09 PM
Lots of good advice in this thread. If I was looking to replace the 16-85 DX lens on an FX body I would choose the 24-120 f/4 VR lens. I use that lens for about 85% of my landscape photography.
#12. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 11Sat 22-Sep-12 12:32 AM | edited Sat 22-Sep-12 12:51 AM by J_Harris
I believe you were referring to Jim's comment about the 24-120 f/4 (not Wayne).
I would also like to compliment the 24-120 f/4. It is my favorite lens for my D7000 and is very popular and respected by many others here. It would be a very good choice since it would work great for both your D7000 and D600 and doesn't cost anywhere near as much, and is much lighter and smaller than a 2.8 Professional zoom lens. Providing 24mm is wide enough for you on the D7000 and f/4 is fast enough.
As others have said - it is best to first understand your needs and shooting style and then make your decision on the next lens. I learned that lesson the hard way.
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#13. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 12Sat 22-Sep-12 07:53 AM
I seem to always 'learn the hard way' Gerry (lol) that's why I thought I'd contact you people.
To be honest with you, I have read up on a lot of reviews about the 24-120 lens and what has put me off a bit is that 'reviewers' are saying it has a lot of distortion/pincushioning and it's sort of scared me a bit, as I wouldn't know how to correct these faults. Yet on this forum, people like yourself who have been good enough to take the time to respond to my query are happy with this lens?
#14. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 13Sat 22-Sep-12 11:17 AM | edited Sat 22-Sep-12 11:24 AM by J_Harris
A distortion comparison of your 16-85 and the 24-120 f/4 is below.
DX (10' / 3m)
DX (10' / 3m)
FX (10' / 3m)
Here is what you can do. Take pictures at different focal lengths with your 16-85 and D7000 that match the 24-120 f/4 focal length in the chart above. Print the pictures to see if any distortion is noticeable. If not then the 24-120 f/4 lens will not be noticeable either. Remember to match DX to DX distortions, as you can see they are a little more if using the 24-120 f/4 with the D600 (FX).
If you do see distortion and it bothers you, it can easily be removed with a single click of your mouse using Nikon's Capture NX2 or several other software programs. As has been stated by others, almost all zoom lenses have distortion. If they could remove all of it in the lens you would not like the cost - software will remove it for all your lenses for a fraction of the cost.
Sorry for all the periods in the distortion chart, I haven't figured out how to get "TAB" to work in a post.
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#15. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 14Sat 22-Sep-12 12:58 PM
Thanks for taking the time to type that out for me Jerry - most informative and exactly what I ''needed'' to know, but obviously didn't know how to ask (lol) Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!
#16. "RE: Which lens should I buy?" | In response to Reply # 15Sat 22-Sep-12 02:22 PM
>Thanks for taking the time to type that out for me Jerry -
>most informative and exactly what I ''needed'' to know, but
>obviously didn't know how to ask (lol) Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!
My pleasure, its always a good feeling when information provided is helpful, especially for new members.
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