Thu 24-Jun-10 01:20 PM | edited Thu 19-Jan-12 04:02 AM by jrp
Today Nikonians is launching its new Dynamic Membership feature.
This allows all active members to earn additional days which are automatically added to their membership term.
Basic (the initial, free, limited term membership), as well as Silver, Gold and Platinum members can participate.
For the forums in English, a total of 35 days can be earned.
For Basic members this is in addition to their free 25 days. This has the intention to allow an increase for the total duration of their free term to 25 + 35 = 60 days. We believe this will give active new members an extended opportunity to live the Nikonians experience and make the decision to join.
Days can be earned as follows:
For the first, initial forum post: +4 days
Each additional forum post: +1 day
Introduce yourself in the New Users forum: +2 days
Note: A total of 20 days can be earned by posting in the forums.
Upload 3 or more images to own gallery: +4 days
Update the public profile and equipment information: +2 days
For each added and accepted friend in the user menu: +2 days
Silver, Gold and Platinum members can also add days to their membership according to the above list. But remember, if you are Silver, Gold or Platinum member and you renew before its term is over, you also earn an extra 30 days, making it a total of 65 extra days.
Additional days are added instantly as earned.
As a separate but related note: We have opted to differentiate the max number of days that can be earned at other languages forums (for example at those in German and the upcoming in French) since they are in a developing stage.
UPDATE: Due to the global economic difficulties we have updated the policy as you may see here, enforced since October 1st, 2011
The initial free term has been more than tripled, first post earns 6 days, not 4 and more. There is no limit to the earned days, so effectively the membership can be indefinite as long as there is activity. Silver, Gold and Platinum members don't need to accumulate days.
Very nice idea, and thanks! I haven't seen any updates under the "Membership" tab in "My User Menu" yet even though I've made several posts. Perhaps I've misunderstood the posting requirement; does it only apply to posts that the member originates?
>You did not misunderstood it, but the number of days earned by SGP-Members will show in their membership tab early next week.
The quote was from your post of June 26; it's now July 6 and I haven't seen any change in my membership expiration date despite having made numerous posts. Is there still a problem with updating the earned days or am I not looking in the right place (I looked in "My User Menu>Membership").
Thanks for the help, and I obviously think this is a good idea since I'm tracking it.
I'm wondering where one can check on their "membership extension" as well. I know I have made forum posts since the announcement was made, but did not see any update to my membership duration. My membership is coming up soon so I would like to know if my membership is actually being extended with post(s) I make or if it is not fully up and running yet.
I just checked my Membership status and am happy to report that it has been updated. Thanks for your attention to the issue and my thanks to JRP and Nikonians for providing us all with such a valuable resource. This is a prime source of my educational material in all things related to NIkon.
I have been a Silver member for quite some time, but have only recently had the time to read, or post. Is there a way that one can post questions concerning cameras, adapters, filters, etc. so that all will be aware and have an opportunity to share their opinions?
As a relative beginner I benefit enormously from the time taken by other members who contribute to these forums while I've only contributed a few questions. I learn so much from just reading other people's questions ... a search of the forums will usually find the answers I need.
It is fantastic that you've found a way to say thanks to all those people to whom I'm so grateful.
We should encourage comments / rating posts for images . Plenty of great images sit without comments , users watch the viewed count drop as their images get buried 4 pages down . Low traffic viewing , high traffic image uploads .
It's certainly a step in the right direction, but I think it does not go far enough. When I first joined Nikonians, I got a lot of help from fellow members who answered my questions and gave me advice. But, like other enthusiasts, I gained a lot of knowledge and experience over time. Over the last couple of years, all my interactions at Nikonians pretty much involved helping others and answering questions of newer members. I enjoy doing it, but I'm wondering to this day why I need to pay for it.
I am sorry but I think this is a horrible idea. I have been a silver member of Nikonians for just over 3 years now.
The past year or so has seen my photography interest wane for lack of time, but I have always seen Nikonian as my photography home. I learned here a great deal, although now I come back now less than I used too. That said, I am still more of a lurker in any case, only expressing my opinion the few times when I felt that I indeed can answer something better then the "usual" posters.
I am no longer able to upgrade my membership, and feel a bit betrayed after 3 years of loyalty. I refuse to play games like "post so and so posts and get a carrot". I will be forced to let my basic membership run out and my account will be deleted according to what I understand. Thus I will probably never return, because there is no way I am going to re-put in information and re-build any kind of profile.
So be it.
Thank you Nikonian community for good 3 years.
p.s. A better idea would be to allow anyone who has had a paying membership, a year of basic membership. Maybe match the time they paid. Call it basic +. Possibly remove some options like number of images that can be submitted, cannot post in the used forum (or that is already paying member only, not sure). Or something. But to delete an account? Excessive. You gain nothing beside a few bytes of space and lose people whom might come back later. People they have shown already that they DO pay.
It doesn’t get easier, you just go faster. – Greg LeMond
>I am sorry but I think this is a horrible idea. >I have been a silver member of Nikonians for just over 3 years >now. > >The past year or so has seen my photography interest wane for >lack of time, but I have always seen Nikonian as my >photography home. I learned here a great deal, although now I >come back now less than I used too. That said, I am still more >of a lurker in any case, only expressing my opinion the few >times when I felt that I indeed can answer something better >then the "usual" posters. > >I am no longer able to upgrade my membership, and feel a bit >betrayed after 3 years of loyalty. I refuse to play games like >"post so and so posts and get a carrot". I will be >forced to let my basic membership run out and my account will >be deleted according to what I understand. Thus I will >probably never return, because there is no way I am going to >re-put in information and re-build any kind of profile. > >So be it. > >Thank you Nikonian community for good 3 years. > >p.s. A better idea would be to allow anyone who has had a >paying membership, a year of basic membership. Maybe match the >time they paid. Call it basic +. Possibly remove some options >like number of images that can be submitted, cannot post in >the used forum (or that is already paying member only, not >sure). Or something. But to delete an account? Excessive. You >gain nothing beside a few bytes of space and lose people whom >might come back later. People they have shown already that >they DO pay. > I agree with this post. It's a terrible idea. I, too, have been a Silver member for years. However, I will not play this game for multiple reasons:
I am not always constant in my forum appearances, but I do like to "come home" as mentioned.My ability to post regularly is impacted by real life -- travel, schedules, kids, etc. So, I could post intensively for weeks, and then not have a chance to get back on for weeks. Why should I be penalized?
Having to post to keep your membership active will lead to a bunch of threads having insubstantial comments, like "+1" or "bump" rather than real discourse. Just what I want to do -- wade through all of those.
God forbid that I take up another hobby other than photography for a while. Apparently, once I do that, there is no coming back to the forum unless I pay.
So, count me out. I am leaving this forum for good, as I suspect many others will.
You know,...brainstorm ideas are not always the best. Glad to see you invested so much IT time in a not-well-thought-out idea (not!).
I don't understand why this is a bad item. Maybe I missed something but I believe this is a great benefit. The greatest benefit of Nikonians is the diversity of the members. Skill level from very new to expert and many in between. This is the same with interest level. If I want to learn about a different genre of photography, I can find a forum easily enough on Nikonians.
I can go on and on but I cannot understand why this feature is bad.
>What is your real/basic problem ? > If you bothered to read my post, you would see my "real" problem....
I belong to tens of other forums and none of them...NONE OF THEM...require anything from me to keep my membership open. I can post for ten days in a row, and then not for months. I can come back and enjoy friendship and interaction wherever I choose -- and not be limited by having to meet quotas for posts.
If you don't understand the reasons posted, then I suspect you are being intentionally dense, locked into your own perception without even trying to understand another perspective.
Glad I no longer have to come here for information and discourse -- there are many other "free" sites out there that require nothing of me except to participate when I have something to contribute. This forum needs to get back to its roots rather than becoming a marketing machine driven by hits (for ad revenue) and the drive to add new members ("Get free days by signing up friends!").
Any site that demands me to sign on virtually everyday ("+1 day for a post") is not a site I want to be associated with, nor do I want that burden placed on me.
Tue 21-Feb-12 12:21 AM | edited Tue 21-Feb-12 12:23 AM by jrp
Bruce, I am very sorry you feel burdened. We have run many scenarios whereby you can take extended breaks. Maybe our membership policy descriptions or explanations are lacking. We'll review them. Thanks for the heads up.
The "free" sites are not free, someone has to pay for them as soon as their size goes beyond running it from the kitchen or the garage.
We, the founders, are the ones burdened with such cost and we were neither wealthy or even rich to start with. One could maybe say we were well-off -until Nikonians begun to grow to the size it has today. This is not a site to generate losses for a monster corporation.
We have always thought of nikonians.org as a community, where we all need to contribute with something.
How do I stop receiving the frequent, nagging emails telling me exactly how many days left in my membership? The intermittent splash screen reminding me of how important it to upgrade is slightly annoying, but tolerable.
Well, this actually did surprise me; real controversy on The Nikonians. And, Surprise! It really does cost something to host a world wide forum.
I have two (2) main comments:
(1.) I do not have any credit cards nor any other similar convenient way that I can contribute to the financial costs of running such a forum. My cash basis only financial accounting system is a legacy of the death of a marriage and years of paying child support. It has been in just the last few years that all of my "financial burdens" have attained the age of public majority and I am no longer subject to financial responsibility for them. This one single change is the main reason why I can do things in photography again. The USA State of Washington Child Support Schedule must be experienced to be fully believed. Merely looking at it does not really convey the idea, nor the way that you are treated by the court and the state, simply because you are an absentee father. The NOW (National Organization for Women) has been suggesting that the State of Washington Child Support Schedule "should be adopted nationwide." Does that give you an indication of where the State of Washington stands in this regard?
(2.) I do understand the need for financial support for the operation of a forum, and I do so with the APUG Group by sending a money order to Sean just about once a year. I do believe in making contributions to organizations and groups that are of great benefit to me. The main problem I often experience is their chosen way to handle the financial transaction. Often I am not able to do it in their selected and published way. Sean in New Zealand has an optional way other than a credit card for me to contribute to APUG. If an alternative path for a financial contribution other than a credit card can be found here, I can do that. It does seem that people without a credit card often are left out, when they are not able to participate in the specific way chosen by the organization. I have found that now that I have money once again, still I am not able to get back to where I was before the death of the marriage.
Ralph (A former husband, and a fully dues paid, court recognized, absentee father.) Latte Land, Washington
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I post a query about this before with no responses.......I will try again.
After posting something I receive these emails explaining that days are being added to my membership, HOWEVER the end date never changes.
Can anyone explain why multiple days added always yields the SAME end date?
Here is the last one:
"Thank you for contributing to the community with your input. As a small token of appreciation, we have extended the duration of your free, Basic membership by 68 days
Tasks you can do to further extend the duration of your Basic membership: Introduce yourself in the new users forum: +2 days Upload at least three images to your galleries: +2 days Update your profile and include an avatar or image of yourself: +2 days For each added and accepted friend in your user menu: +2 days
By further posting in the forums, updating your profile, adding friends and uploading images in your gallery, you can extend the duration of your Basic membership indefinitely. We REALLY want you to become acquainted with the Nikonians community experience, a community which is not comparable to online forums