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An over fertile imagination perhaps, all about the D400...

KnightPhoto

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"RE: An over fertile imagination perhaps, all about the D400?"

KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006
Sun 06-May-12 03:40 PM

>... Could my "pro light"
>triple the price and triple the weight D200 match it? Not even
>close.

OK, but the D200 was not anywhere near (or even close) to the DX-optimum per Bill Claff's sensor studies. So the rest of below is in context to Bill Claff's findings.

> So I went to dp review and checked out how it does
>against a D300s at high ISO settings. You may not want to hear
>the answer to that question at 1600 ISO.

Again D300/S is a 5 year old sensor tech, doesn't even reach ideal-CX and is not close to DX-optimum.

>So,here's a question. What percentage of pro and advanced
>ametuers still need FX format and will still need it as much
>in the future. Today's FX format is becoming a studio camera.
>If you are a journalist, with a need for mobility, do you want
>to carry the weight of FX lenses? What kind of resolution does
>the publication print? What size? If you shoot weddings and
>need to carry a few bodies and lenses, do you have a
>chairopractor on retainer for your shoulder from carring that
>FX format bag? How big are your prints going to be?

I agree that for many people, a near DX-optimum sensor camera is good enough for most uses. (not for me though)

>Your $4000 pro body will be
>obsolete in terms of real function in a few years. Another
>year or two it will succumb to a $800 successor to my wife's
>G1X. Camera's are no longer durables, they are disposables. I
>would need a lot of convincing to spend more than twice the
>considerable price of a D400 on a body that I know will be as
>obsolete as my poor D200 when the light is low, three years
>from now.

This is where your conclusion starts to lose it. Looking at Bill Claff's results, the D800 and D4 are not going to easily succumb to anything smaller-sensored since they are getting very near to FX-optimum. So my sense is they are, from a sensor results perspective, not going to be easily leap-frogged in terms of signal to noise ratio. I.e. you can't take the D200 results and extrapolate to today's FX because of the concept of ideal-DX and ideal-FX that Bill has outlined for us. The reason the extrapolation doesn't work is D200 is far far from DX-ideal and the current FX sensors are close to ideal-FX (as I imagine the Canon compact is also close to ideal also).

>4. I've been a Nikon guy since the late 50's. Have a drawer
>full of lenses, and old film pro bodies. Fact is, I only use
>two of my old lenses, a 50mm f/1.4 and a 60mm macro. If there
>is no Nikon replacement for my D200 that takes better pictures
>than my wifes $800 compact, I'll be Canon makes one.

The D7000 and D5100 (and most probably D3200) are Nikon's best DX sensor implementations today. Their sensor output thrashes the D200 and beats the D300/S. So my conclusion is at the D400 level of camera, we need an updated sensor with as close to ideal-DX as possible with today's technology. Once we get that in a DX camera, it won't be easy to get much better unless you increase sensor size to FX.

Here is Bill's results:
http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm

Best regards, SteveK

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