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D800 with DxO Optics Pro

walk43

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walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Fri 25-May-12 12:49 AM

What is the forums opinion of DxO Optics Pro and its capabilities for post processing D800 images? All I have ever used is Photoshop for my editing,(sharpening, colors, etc) but I have heard and read good things about DxO Optics Pro. Will it make my D800 results that much better ...(assuming its not my errors)?

Dan
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#1. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

laddad Gold Member Nikonian since 13th Nov 2005
Fri 25-May-12 12:24 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 12:25 AM by laddad

I'm still waiting shipment of my D800! On the other hand I just updated my DXO to DXO Elite version 7.5 last night. I use Photoshop CS4 for image tweaking but to me there is no better RAW converter. Remember it is a "RAW Converter" and does not compete with Photoshop for things like layering, etc. After using DXO for raw conversions you will never go back to Photoshop for raw image conversions! I plan to upgrade Photoshop to CS6 also but to me obtaining the newest DXO was more of a priority. Remember that you must purchase the DXO Elite for the D800 and not the standard version.

mikesrc

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#2. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 1

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Fri 25-May-12 12:48 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 01:18 AM by mikesrc

Well folks I've been using the DXO 7.5 beta for a while. Got my butt eat out for even letting folks know it was out there. The full blown DXO 7.5 just Kills CS5 in raw conversion period!! This new version just makes it so much easier to take a file from a D800 and make it more perfect than you thought possible. With a little fine tuning DXO Elite is all you will ever need for raw conversion OR to enhance your jpgs and this new version phones home to tell you what modules to install. I think this is the finest photo software program on the market today. Download the trial version and I would make a large bet you buy it. In my gallery under Flowers 2012 almost every thing has been processed with DXO 7.5 Elite and once you have used it you won't go back to anything else. This program corrects camera and lens distortion all buy it's self. Plug a picture in and it will tell you what you need to do to get the distortion out. The color can be adjusted to be any where you want to go. Amazing program, simply amazing!! Every body needs to download the trial and give it a shot.

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GiantTristan

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#3. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Fri 25-May-12 01:22 AM

I have been using DxO for many years and it is basically the only post processing program I use, though I have NX2 as well as PS. DxO integrates very well with LR4 which I mainly use for cataloging and searching. Just make sure that the appropriate DxO lens/camera modules are available. You may also want to download the user manual from the DxO site in order to gain a better understanding of the program's capabilities.

In case you are interested, there is a recent thread in the digital post processing forum which may answer some of your questions.

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tomlawone

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#4. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 2

tomlawone Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Mar 2011
Fri 25-May-12 01:23 AM

I just upgraded to version 7.5. It is an excellent program, but never rely on their "planned" modules. I have a Nikon AF-S 28-85 f/3.5-4.5 lens I use as a walk-around lens. They have "planned" a module for it for well over a year. They put in an anticipated date and then just keep pushing it into the future. Other than that, it does a great job.

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laddad

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#5. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 2

laddad Gold Member Nikonian since 13th Nov 2005
Fri 25-May-12 01:29 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 01:33 AM by laddad

I agree completely with Mikesrc !!!!!!!! Download the trial version, use it and then you will buy it!!

mikesrc

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#6. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 4

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Fri 25-May-12 01:33 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 01:37 AM by mikesrc

>I just upgraded to version 7.5. It is an excellent program,
>but never rely on their "planned" modules. I have a
>Nikon AF-S 28-85 f/3.5-4.5 lens I use as a walk-around lens.
>They have "planned" a module for it for well over a
>year. They put in an anticipated date and then just keep
>pushing it into the future. Other than that, it does a great
>job.

Sometimes DXO has a problem getting a PERFECT lens to do there modules with. Give them a little time and it may show up. My old 28-200G showed up on the D800 list right away. BTW I have that same old 28-85 sure is a nice one. Got mine from a little old guy in Japan!!

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William Rounds

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#7. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 6

William Rounds Gold Member Nikonian since 25th Mar 2011
Fri 25-May-12 03:10 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 03:21 AM by William Rounds

I think DxO is great, haven't used it for any photos with a D800 yet.

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tomlawone

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#8. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 3

tomlawone Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Mar 2011
Fri 25-May-12 05:12 AM

Mikesrc, I am now at about 15 months on the "planned" module. I have a pristine example. For testing, do I send it to them in Paris or in the US? I am not joking. If in the US, I would have sent it to them. I read Thom Hogan's critique about how Nikon can produce a great camera but cannot get user controls even close to good. That is DXO labs. Excellent idea and program but no management that can execute. If you say you "plan" something, then do it. Failure is not an option. Or do not put out a plan. If I were at the top in that outfit, someone would have some explaining to do for the inability to execute the plan. This is a business, not a public service. Not arguing with you, but this outfit has no excuses.

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walk43

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#9. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 3

walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Fri 25-May-12 09:37 AM | edited Fri 25-May-12 10:41 AM by walk43

Thanks everyone for your input so far. I think the trial version is on my to do list!!

Quick question...it sounds like DxO has a Db or list of DxO camera and lens combos that their software is programmed to work with. Where can I check what those combos are? The last thing I want to do is get a software package that doesn't work for what I have.

PS: to mikersc or others....do I need the standard or the elite version to get the best functionality for D800 pics...or is the elite version doing some magical things and are just more creative. I want the best possible solution for editing individual pics for IQ...but don't need special functions like double exposures, gigapan, time lapse, etc.

Advice welcome!!

Dan
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laddad

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#10. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 9

laddad Gold Member Nikonian since 13th Nov 2005
Fri 25-May-12 11:11 AM

Go to DXO.com and then click on "DXO Optic Pro" just under the large picture towards the middle of the page. Then on then next page simply input Nikon & D800 and enter. Next click on "Supported & Planned Combinations".

mikesrc

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#11. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 10

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Fri 25-May-12 11:20 AM

The D800 requires the elite version.

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mikesrc

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#12. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 8

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Fri 25-May-12 11:24 AM

>Mikesrc, I am now at about 15 months on the
>"planned" module. I have a pristine example. For
>testing, do I send it to them in Paris or in the US? I am not
>joking. If in the US, I would have sent it to them. I read
>Thom Hogan's critique about how Nikon can produce a great
>camera but cannot get user controls even close to good. That
>is DXO labs. Excellent idea and program but no management
>that can execute. If you say you "plan" something,
>then do it. Failure is not an option. Or do not put out a
>plan. If I were at the top in that outfit, someone would have
>some explaining to do for the inability to execute the plan.
>This is a business, not a public service. Not arguing with
>you, but this outfit has no excuses.

Please remember that lens has not been built since the late 90's or so and if you look at there roadmap there planning on having over 10 thousand combos by the end of 2012. That takes a ton hours to do

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walk43

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#13. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 11

walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Fri 25-May-12 12:23 PM

Perfect...thanks!!!

Dan
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walk43

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#14. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 11

walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Fri 25-May-12 01:33 PM

Two Questions:

1. I notice in the list of supported cameras and lenses that the Nikkor 300mm f/4 is not listed. Is there a workaround in the software for unsupported lenses???

2. If a lens is listed, is it also supported using that lens with a TC-1.7EII? I am supposing it is but asking your opinion.

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GiantTristan

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#15. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 14

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Fri 25-May-12 02:13 PM

1. You can still do the RAW conversion, but no lens corrections are applied. Corrections will have to be done manually.

2. Lenses with TCs are not supported.

Tristan

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mmelton1

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#16. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 15

mmelton1 Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Dec 2006
Fri 25-May-12 10:34 PM

i just bought and downloaded DxO Optics Pro Elite version....

OH MY GOD!!!! this is how i had always hoped my D800 pics would look...

i wish they supported the Nikon 300mm f4 lens and i wish they supported TC's but other than that...WOW!!!

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mikesrc

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#17. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 16

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Fri 25-May-12 11:07 PM

Told you so. Give them time there working on it.

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walk43

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#18. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 16

walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Fri 25-May-12 11:54 PM

Do us a favor and show us a before and after....please!

Dan
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#19. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 18

wmcy Gold Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2006
Sat 26-May-12 12:07 AM

Sorty for being late to the party, but you've piqued my interest. I currently use Aperture. If I decide to try DxO, will I stil need Aperture?

Thanks.

Wm.

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#20. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 19

alleese Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Feb 2009
Sat 26-May-12 01:26 AM

>Sorty for being late to the party, but you've piqued my
>interest. I currently use Aperture. If I decide to try DxO,
>will I stil need Aperture?

If you use Aperture to catalog all of your images, then you will still need it. DxO is a really good raw converter, but it doesn't catalog, keyword, sort/find.

I fell in love with DxO in 2008. It fit into my workflow perfectly. I use Lightroom to catalog the TIF or DNG image after converting through DxO.

-Al

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#21. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 20

wmcy Gold Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2006
Sat 26-May-12 02:47 AM

>>Sorty for being late to the party, but you've piqued my
>>interest. I currently use Aperture. If I decide to try
>DxO,
>>will I stil need Aperture?
>
>If you use Aperture to catalog all of your images, then you
>will still need it. DxO is a really good raw converter, but it
>doesn't catalog, keyword, sort/find.
>
>I fell in love with DxO in 2008. It fit into my workflow
>perfectly. I use Lightroom to catalog the TIF or DNG image
>after converting through DxO.
>
>-Al

Al,

Do you normally use LR for any adjustments, or just for cataloging? Is there a "print" function within DxO?

Thanks again.

Wm.

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#22. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 18

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Sat 26-May-12 10:33 AM | edited Sat 26-May-12 10:37 AM by mikesrc

>Do us a favor and show us a before and after....please!

Go to my gallery and look at DSC0939-1 and DSC0939-DXO. The -1 was done with ViewNX2 and I had to downsize it a bit to upload it here. The DXO image was converted using a Vivid preset which I like when doing landscape. I don't know if you can tell much difference in the gallery, but there quite a bit on my desktop. Forgot to mention that's in Flowers 2012

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walk43

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#23. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 22

walk43 Registered since 07th Feb 2012
Sat 26-May-12 11:52 AM

Thanks Mike,

I really don't see much difference...they are both sharp on the bee. If it isn't too much trouble could you send the 2 pics to my email address below and I can see for myself on my desktop. Maybe make them 6mb each in 2 emails??? I did a sililar test for a fellow in the UK with bird detail... comparing my D90 to the D800. It did make a difference in the larger files.

THX

Dan Walk
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#24. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 23

tomlawone Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Mar 2011
Sat 26-May-12 02:16 PM

My point on checking for modules is that if you see a planned or anticipated module pay no attention to it. My anticipated module started well over a year ago. The latest projection was this month but, as always, DXO pushed it back, this time to July. I do not think they have any real plan or intent to do it. I have given up. I have a D800 in hand and a D800E on order. I am switching to more primes, so I am getting ready to sell the lens. I did download the new version of DXO, and four of my lenses already have modules for the D800.

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#25. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 23

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Sat 26-May-12 02:41 PM

>Thanks Mike,
>
>I really don't see much difference...they are both sharp on
>the bee. If it isn't too much trouble could you send the 2
>pics to my email address below and I can see for myself on my
>desktop. Maybe make them 6mb each in 2 emails??? I did a
>sililar test for a fellow in the UK with bird detail...
>comparing my D90 to the D800. It did make a difference in the
>larger files.
>
>THX
>
>Dan Walk
>walk43@msn.com

On the way.

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#26. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 24

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Sat 26-May-12 02:46 PM

>My point on checking for modules is that if you see a planned
>or anticipated module pay no attention to it. My anticipated
>module started well over a year ago. The latest projection
>was this month but, as always, DXO pushed it back, this time
>to July. I do not think they have any real plan or intent to
>do it. I have given up. I have a D800 in hand and a D800E on
>order. I am switching to more primes, so I am getting ready
>to sell the lens. I did download the new version of DXO, and
>four of my lenses already have modules for the D800.

I only have two zooms left and there cheap ones. I've already started to go to primes. I have the 85mm 1.8G that I just might glue to my camera. Its really, really good.

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#27. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 24

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Sat 26-May-12 03:43 PM

>My point on checking for modules is that if you see a planned
>or anticipated module pay no attention to it. My anticipated
>module started well over a year ago. The latest projection
>was this month but, as always, DXO pushed it back, this time
>to July. I do not think they have any real plan or intent to
>do it. I have given up. I have a D800 in hand and a D800E on
>order. I am switching to more primes, so I am getting ready
>to sell the lens. I did download the new version of DXO, and
>four of my lenses already have modules for the D800.

I am afraid your thinking is somewhat simplistic. DxO is a small commercial company with only about 130 employees and most of their business is in designing circuitry for telephone cameras and building testing equipment. There are probably not more than about a dozen people doing testing for DxO modules and development of the DxO software. For every module about 1000 measurements are needed, and I don't know, whether they test multiple copies for each lens. Just for Nikon there are 11 current DSLR cameras plus about 80 lenses. However, there are many other DSLR manufacturers and DxO has tested about 185 cameras and produced a total of over 6000 modules.

They have to react very quickly to changes of the market, otherwise they would go under. When they project a date for developing a module, this has to be very tentative. After all, they made a number of new modules for the D800 shortly after its release as you yourself have found out This was certainly much smarter than having used their limited resources to adhere to a tentative timetable.

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#28. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 25

tomlawone Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Mar 2011
Sat 26-May-12 04:47 PM

Tristan, I agree fully with all your points, but they are irrelevant to my position that no one should buy DXO based on an anticipated module. The why no one can rely on them is far less important than the fact one cannot rely on them. DXO says they will have modules for the D3200 in July/August. The D600 is coming out in a few months, so they will have to direct their efforts to that camera. No module yet for the Nikon 28mm f/1.8G, of course, because they probably do not have a sample. If they are as limited in size and capability as you say they may have too much on their plate. All I am saying is if you have a D700 and an older lens do not hold your breath waiting for a module, even if they list it as planned or anticipated. In addition, no one with a D800 can be sure if or when a nonexistent module will actually become available if it does not exist today. It is nice program even without a module, but not the same convenience without one.

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#29. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 28

venusian Registered since 17th Dec 2008
Mon 28-May-12 04:15 PM | edited Mon 28-May-12 04:38 PM by venusian

I've been using DxO Optics for several years and it is a crucial part of my development process. I start with RAW images in DxO, move to Lightroom for further ajdustment, and then some final tweaking in CS5, if need be. Overall, DxO makes the RAW image better in many ways. The improvements are more subtle than expansive, but collectively improve IQ.

I am seriously contemplating moving from the D700 to D800 and will continue to use DxO should that happen.

Nick (Roxbury, Connecticut Nikonian)

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#30. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 21

alleese Gold Member Nikonian since 19th Feb 2009
Wed 30-May-12 09:58 PM

>Do you normally use LR for any adjustments, or just for
>cataloging? Is there a "print" function within DxO?

Good question. I have never printed out of DxO. I usually print out of CS5 Photoshop or Lightroom. I just checked my DxO v7.5 and I cannot find a printing option.

Reference adjustments: I jump around. I may make 2 or more versions using Lightroom, DxO and Capture One. Each program can give your image a different look.

One more thing that I haven't seen mentioned here yet. The current DxO version (7.5) that supports the D800/D800E is only available in 64-bit version, so you will need to have a 64-bit operating system in order to raw convert your D800 NEFs using DxO.
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#31. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 28

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Wed 30-May-12 11:45 PM | edited Thu 31-May-12 08:59 AM by mikesrc

>Tristan, I agree fully with all your points, but they are
>irrelevant to my position that no one should buy DXO based on
>an anticipated module. The why no one can rely on them is far
>less important than the fact one cannot rely on them. DXO
>says they will have modules for the D3200 in July/August. The
>D600 is coming out in a few months, so they will have to
>direct their efforts to that camera. No module yet for the
>Nikon 28mm f/1.8G, of course, because they probably do not
>have a sample. If they are as limited in size and capability
>as you say they may have too much on their plate. All I am
>saying is if you have a D700 and an older lens do not hold
>your breath waiting for a module, even if they list it as
>planned or anticipated. In addition, no one with a D800 can
>be sure if or when a nonexistent module will actually become
>available if it does not exist today. It is nice program even
>without a module, but not the same convenience without one.

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#32. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 31

Benkoop Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2009
Fri 08-Jun-12 05:40 PM | edited Fri 08-Jun-12 08:06 PM by Benkoop

I became interested by this post and downloaded the Pro Elite trialversionn. To my dissapointment the files of my D800e didn't open; the d700 files do.
I mailed the DXO supportteam and received the following answer:

"Support for the Nikon D800E camera is not part of DxO Optics Pro Version 7.5, presently. Work on D800E support is still in progress. It is planned to be added in several weeks.
Best Regards "

My trial will be expired before that I guess.

Wim

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#33. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 32

laddad Gold Member Nikonian since 13th Nov 2005
Fri 08-Jun-12 08:26 PM

The modules for the D800 and D800E will be much different. I'm sure when the D880E modules are out, you will love it. For fun try working with some of your old D700 NEF files. I'm sure that you will be impressed. If impressed with the D700 raw conversion think how happy you will be with raw conversion on the D800E.

When the D800E modules are ready simply download another "trial" using a different email address. Be sure to completely remove the first trial before attempting another download even when using another email address.

I have been a DXO user since the time I sold my D70s for a new D200. How many years has it been the D200 was new? Believe me you will love it!

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#34. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Fri 08-Jun-12 09:30 PM

You might want to visit this thread in the Digital Workflow Forum. I'm still figuring it out.

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=196&topic_id=66637&mesg_id=66637&page=

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#35. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 34

Benkoop Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2009
Sat 09-Jun-12 03:06 PM

>When the D800E modules are ready simply download another "trial" using a different email address.

Good advice, I will try that. Didn't know it worked like that.


>https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=196&topic_id=66637&mesg_id=66637&page=

Thanks for the link Chris, that's a very interesting thread! I tweaked my computer to work with the large files, but my workflow and successively my backup-policies definitely need more efficiency (it's a mess). To add another application to it makes it more complicated.

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#36. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 35

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Sat 09-Jun-12 05:17 PM

Yup, Wim - complicated, I'm still struggling!

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#37. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

geoffc Registered since 21st Apr 2008
Sat 09-Jun-12 05:38 PM | edited Sat 09-Jun-12 05:38 PM by geoffc

I have not tried it yet....

BUT, I heard the same promises about Capture One Pro. In the end, although Capture One has some nice skin tones, it became apparent to me that these smaller companies cannot have some special magic that the Adobe teams cannot produce. In fact, the latest algorythims for the 2012 process in LR (ACR) are leaps ahead of Capture One 6, perhaps upcoming version 7 will catch up.

Perhaps one raw converter might have a default style that best matches your personal taste, but I have not seen true technical advantage to any of them (save latest process of ACR).

...I will give DXO a try though.

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#38. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 37

laddad Gold Member Nikonian since 13th Nov 2005
Sun 10-Jun-12 12:48 AM | edited Sun 10-Jun-12 12:49 AM by laddad

I have Adobe Photoshop however I swear DXO blows the doors off it for RAW conversions!!!

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#39. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 37

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Sun 10-Jun-12 01:19 AM

>I have not tried it yet....

I believe it might be wise to try and learn to use the software before passing judgement.

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#40. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 39

geoffc Registered since 21st Apr 2008
Sun 10-Jun-12 01:37 AM

I did say I would try it, but curious, how do you all think DXO is better? Skin tones? Dynamic range? Color accuracy? Or lens correction?

For instance, I'll use the Colorchecker Passport for accurate color profiles, but even that has a harsh curve adjustment built in, and as accurate as it may be, it looks horrible for portraits.
That's my point, different tools for different purposes.

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#41. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

Okinawan Heidi Silver Member Nikonian since 19th May 2011
Sun 10-Jun-12 05:12 AM

I have always used CS4 but was unable to process raw from my 800, so decided to give DXO pro optics a try. Fantastic is my initial impression! I downloaded the trial and when I saw how good it was, went ahead and ordered it. The processing options and ease of use, the ability of it to read and then customize to my specific cameras and lenses was great. I highly recommend this program! Enjoy!
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#42. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 41

chgortari Registered since 13th Nov 2010
Mon 11-Jun-12 03:49 PM | edited Mon 11-Jun-12 03:55 PM by chgortari

Thought I would post an example before and after.







I've never posted a comparison so hope it works.
Thanks for looking.
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#43. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 42

chgortari Registered since 13th Nov 2010
Mon 11-Jun-12 03:59 PM

The difference here is very subtle. Must be the jpeg conversion for the web. The difference is much greater on my monitor with the original files. Oh well I tried!
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#44. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 43

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Mon 11-Jun-12 06:45 PM | edited Mon 11-Jun-12 07:02 PM by GiantTristan

Maybe I can help you make your point. I selected a picture from LR4; without making any changes I exported one copy as 100% JPEG and a second copy as NEF. The NEF copy was then processed with default settings in DxO, version 7.5. The picture was taken with D700, 24-20@24mm and I used 100% crops. In case it is not apparent, the first version is the LR4 default, the second picture the DxO default.

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#45. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 44

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Mon 11-Jun-12 09:50 PM

Great learning discussion.
I have downloaded and playing with the DxO. Is it just me or do the files sizes double. In the few pictures that I processed in DxO, the file size has gone over 110 MB? I've done just the basic processing in Dx0.

As far as the above picture is concerned, the raw file looks unprocessed; no sharpening, no color correction, no increase in clarity or vibrance. As we all know, most (but not all) raw images need some processing. All these can be done in Photoshop, LR, or Dx0. I see each program as a tool for a specific job.
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#46. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 45

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Mon 11-Jun-12 09:55 PM

No, not just you - see this thread here!!

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=196&topic_id=66637&mesg_id=66637&page=

But it's a great RAW processor!

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#47. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 45

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Mon 11-Jun-12 11:44 PM

Well - this is just the point. DxO does in a couple of seconds what you have to do manually with LR in about 10 minutes, only the results would probably be not quite as good. Some things you just can't do, even if you are Mr. Adobe himself.

To make my case - just look at the lower right hand corner. The otherwise excellent 24-70 shows some softness at the corners at 24mm. DxO takes this into account by sharpening the soft region of the lens more aggressively. Also, other flaws like lens distortions, CA and vignetting are automatically corrected.

With a high res. camera like the D800 this type of corrections become even more important,especially if you don't have top quality lenses.



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#48. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 47

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Tue 12-Jun-12 04:58 PM

I am impressed with DXO;
Tristan: Please give a brief view of your workflow with Dx0.
Do you do the custom route?
Do you then synchrnize with LR for its cataloging qualities?
If I purchase it for $200 now (its on sale), how often does it update?
(when was it last updated)

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#49. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 48

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Tue 12-Jun-12 08:31 PM

After a shoot I put the NEF files in LR4. The ones I want to convert are then exported as NEF files into a "New Project" in DxO. I generally use their "Default Preset" and make adjustments as needed. Since I usually don't make any further corrections in LR4, the images are processed and exported as 100% JPEGs to LR4. I then select the JPEG's I like and upload them to my SmugMug account.

I have been using DxO since Version 3 and they are now at Version 7.5.
Their last update which includes modules for the D800 was released a few weeks ago. They are still working on the D800e modules. You might want to check your lenses against available modules, before you buy the software. You obviously can still use the software without the automatic corrections, but then I don't see much advantage when compared to LR.

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#50. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 49

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Tue 12-Jun-12 09:29 PM

GiantTristan:
Thank you for your workflow. I take it that you are really using LR4 as a catalog for your images.
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#51. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 49

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Tue 12-Jun-12 09:43 PM

GiantTristan and others:

I am thoroughly impressed with this software (I am in Trial mode still).
It seems to save lots of time, but does it not make you lose your ability to truly fine tune your photos like you do in LR or PS because its doing it rather you being creative and controlling every step of the way.

One of the advantages of LR is the ability to synchronize settings across a set of photos (like WB or sharpening). You cannot do that here can you?
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#52. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 51

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Tue 12-Jun-12 11:31 PM

>One of the advantages of LR is the ability to synchronize
>settings across a set of photos (like WB or sharpening). You
>cannot do that here can you?

You most certainly can do this in DxO, just create your own preset or modify an existing one. For sharpening you should always use the "DxO Lens Softness" slider, it is much better than the old USM.

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#53. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 52

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Mon 18-Jun-12 10:27 PM | edited Mon 18-Jun-12 10:28 PM by chroaz

Well I've been trialling DxO Optics Pro now for about 2 weeks and running hundreds of my D800 images through it and Lightroom 4 to compare.

I've finally decided to buy it and incorporate it into my predominantly Lightroom 4 workflow for some of, if not quite all, my images. Here are some of my reasons:

- It is a very good RAW Converter right out of the box with its default settings so you can get to a "good" processed image very quickly

- It is extraordinary with its Optical Adjustments - Geometry, Lens Corrections etc (if your lens/camera combination is supported - which mine are)

- Its sharpness and noise algorithms are very good and again defaults are almost spot-on

- Color correction is good too and I like the detail and tones

So I'm going to have to adjust my workflow:-

1. Import Images from my card into my Lightroom folder and backup structure as before
2. Rate images (actually using a color label) for RAW conversion in DxO
3. Open DxO and process the selected images in DxO
4. Output the images if no further processing is required to my appropriate "output" folder in JPEG format. If further processing or ouput "manipulation" is required I will output a TIFF file back into my DxO subfolder in my Lightroom folder structure and go on from there.

The 2 main downsides to this are (1) Time, it's going to take a little longer with an extra step, but that is somewhat offset by DxO being so darned good for quite of lot of the initial corrections and (2) Resources - I already have a Quad Core Mac and (now) 16Gb of Memory and 3 2TB hardrives - so I'm Ok for now. But clearly I'm going to be using a lot of disk space and processing power as I shoot more and more with my D800 (my new one arrives tomorrow!).

So, for me anyway, I'm happy to put these 2 applications together, and I think DxO does a number of things much better than Lightroom, while Lightroom can go a bit further on the "local" processing front and of course has a powerful DAM function which remains the core of my workflow.

I'm really glad I tried this!

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#54. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 53

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Mon 18-Jun-12 11:47 PM

I appreciate the detailed workflow you wrote. Regarding "If further processing or ouput "manipulation" is required I will output a TIFF file back into my DxO subfolder in my Lightroom folder structure and go on from there." is a key questions.
Are you tossing the original NEF out?
Why save in TIFF? How big are the TIFF files? Why not save and update the NEF?
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#55. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 54

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Tue 19-Jun-12 12:21 AM | edited Tue 19-Jun-12 02:19 PM by chroaz

Hi There - DxO only gives you the option to "output" the processed file in JPEG, DNG or TIFF Format. So if I want to do additional work on it in Lightroom (other than Keywording etc), It has to be TIFF or DNG - I use TIFF. The original NEF file is untouched and it remains where it was in my HD Folder Structure. Lightroom wont read the .dop file (DxO's "sidecar") so it has to be TIFF with DxO's corrections effectively baked in.

So I'm left with 2 files and 2 sidecar files. The original NEF which hasn't moved, say 49 Mb with its .xmp sidecar file (tiny) and the DxO processed TIFF which is 200Mb (!!!! - yes, that's the issue) with its .dop file (tiny). There isn't a way to save the further processed TIFF file back to NEF Format from Lightroom.

So, unless I have musinderstood the whole process (which is not uncommon for me!) this is the penalty you pay for using DxO and Lightroom together, when you want to futher process DxO output in Lightroom - file size(s). Of course if all you want to do in Lightroom is just metadata based then you can work with JPEG output.

I haven't experimented with DNG yet.

Make sense?

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#56. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 55

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Tue 19-Jun-12 10:59 AM

Thank you Chris.
When I save in DNG, the files were like your TIFFs; 100-150MB was the typical size. The size issue is one thing that's keeping me from purchasing the software as its starting to get too much.
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#57. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 56

AZBlue Registered since 09th Jun 2012
Wed 26-Dec-12 08:36 PM

My apologies for reviving this old thread, but why not save the files as DNG from within DXO? DNG files are "digital negative" raw files. They may not be Nikon's proprietary NEF format, but the DNG format is preferable to TIFF because it contains your RAW file with all of your associated settings in an open format that is not tied to your camera manufacturer continuing to support their proprietary (NEF) format. The DNG files is also 20% smaller than your original raw file using completely lossless file compression.

I don't understand why this hasn't been discussed or explored.

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#58. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 57

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Thu 27-Dec-12 09:52 PM

AZBlue - that's a very obvious question to which I don't have the answer! It would seem entirely logical to roundtrip in DNG. I can't think why I didn't do that. I must try it over the next couple of days. There seemed to be a logical reason for using TIFF over DNG, but I can't for the life of me think what it was!

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#59. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 58

venusian Registered since 17th Dec 2008
Sat 29-Dec-12 06:36 PM | edited Sat 29-Dec-12 06:37 PM by venusian

Hi Dan,

I have used DxO for years and love it. I've attached an image taken at 6400 ISO showing the before/after effects of the default noise reduction by DxO at 100% crop. The second image is the noise-corrected image sharpened.

Here is a link to a very useful noise reduction tutorial by DxO.
http://www.dxo.com/us/photo/support/tutorials/dxo_optics_pro/mastering_raw_noise?utm_source=dxo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=promo_noel_prolongation1_12

I currently have DxO ver 8 Elite and it does so much more than correct noise. It works great with D800E RAW images and I highly recommend it.

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#60. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 0

HaydnBMorris Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Mar 2013
Tue 29-Oct-13 10:12 AM

Hi all

Having seen posts about DXO I tried the trial and invested in DXO 8 (now been advised I can upgrade to 9) some months back. Having played around a little I am impressed with the results. Until I purchased my D800 I was more than happy with my iPhoto / Aperture combination and using Photoshop. With my investment in the new camera and 24 - 70 lens, I intend to improve all aspects of my photography and DXO appears to fit the bill.

My question is whether there is any merit in going back to my earlier photographs (the original unprocessed RAW files stored away on my 'oringinal file store' drives)and reprocessing them in DXO - I have tried a few and there are improvements, but before I spend many hours at this, I would welcome the experience of others

Thanks in anticipation

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#61. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 60

chroaz Silver Member Nikonian since 26th Apr 2009
Tue 29-Oct-13 02:11 PM

Hi HM - your question depends on what you want to "do" with your files. There is little doubt in my mind that the RAW processing on your earlier photos will be "better" with DxO. In fact you always have that option (going back and starting over, I mean) with any new application that comes out ... if you have kept the orginal NEFs. So if you have some great captures that you feel would be enhanced and do not need a lot of spot/local adjustments I would invest the time in re-processing them ... but perhaps not all of them.. I reserve my use of DxO Optics Pro for my "best" images which are going to be displayed or printed etc.

Enjoy,

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#62. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 61

icslowmo Registered since 01st Jan 2012
Thu 31-Oct-13 06:37 AM

Downloaded DxO Optics Pro 9 Trial and I feel LR4.4 still provides sharper images. I do feel DxO outputs better colors though to me anyways. Here is an example of sharpness I did, both images edited to taste so to speak:

Full images taken on D800E 70-200mm VRII @195mm f/4.0 1/400th iso 280:

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#63. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 62

Ray Gerke Registered since 12th Sep 2004
Thu 31-Oct-13 12:59 PM

Gee that is one ugly rabbit! (LOL)

the contrast is different for the two different images. (look at the hair off to the right from the snout and the background. the hair looks equally sharp to me but the background contrast is totally different. so either an exposure compensation or contrast setting or even the colour hue look to be different (as you would expect from different tools). I think for one really ugly rabbit both photos are pretty sharp!!

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#64. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 63

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Thu 31-Oct-13 01:16 PM

Hi All,
This is an older post but here is what I have to say. I tried this software a long time ago and it didn’t do anything for me then, and I haven’t tried the newer versions out now. But I went to Mike’s pictures and pulled one out that the sky was blown out that the software didn’t even try to fix. I believe the new Lightroom 5 could have pulled the highlights back in his picture. I edited it and you can tell me what you think, so some color is better than none I think.

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Then Clyde’s picture I took and edited the first one as they looked about the same, and I don’t know what the flowers are made of. But I edited it and you tell me what you think of that edit and what did a better job.


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Then I took Chris’s first pig that he edited in DxO and edited it and think it came out much better than either DxO or just Lightroom. Not much color in this picture. Chris with the new Lightroom 5 you would have been able to really bring down the highlights in your picture. Look at my edit and tell me what you think. I don’t have the RAW NEF so there is only so much I can do with these small files but you are using Lightroom already you might want to upgrade to Lightroom 5 as it has some great new features.

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Now that I said and did all this I am a long time Nikon Capture NX2 user and added OnOne’s software when it first came out with Version 5 and now version 8. I also have Nik’s software that works inside Capture NX2 that I use regularly that it is hard to beat with this combination. But Lightroom 5 has some great features now it is hard not to use it. You can bring the highlight down so far and bring skies back in that are blown out it is amazing. Same with the shadows you can lighten them up and bring out the detail, along with the auto straighten tool. It doesn’t work perfect all the time but you can use the manual mode after the auto to finish it off to get it straight. It is the first time I used Lightroom in years but still need to use OnOne’s software to finish it off to get the best finished results that I think can’t be beat. I know everyone has their own way of editing and may not like the way I edit something. But OnOne software just does an amazing job that can’t be beat I think. I didn’t use Lightroom to edit any of these pictures as I don’t have the RAW NEF that I would need to edit them. All of it was done in Capture NX2 and with OnOne Suites 7.5. I am waiting to hear what you think.

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#65. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 64

lukaswerth Registered since 24th May 2012
Fri 01-Nov-13 08:24 AM | edited Fri 01-Nov-13 08:25 AM by lukaswerth

I really like this boar with its bristling hair very much, I must say. Pity people eat these intelligent and sensitive animals.

On a more serious note, I haven't tried DxO yet - though I might -, but I really don't think there is one holy software grail. At the risk of sounding idealist or naive, I think what counts is the photographer's vision of an image, how she/he would like to interpret the exposure. Contrast, grain, color, sharpness all are supplementary and secondary to this.

So for me the question would be whether I need DxO to develop my vision.

Lukas

Trying to be a keeper of the light

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukaswerth/

also see my Nikonians gallery:
https://images.nikonians.org/galleries/member.php/uid/444897

Kidkett

Campo, US
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#66. "RE: D800 with DxO Optics Pro" | In response to Reply # 65

Kidkett Silver Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 09th Apr 2010
Fri 01-Nov-13 11:54 AM

Hi Lukas, I agree with you as the best software is the one that works the best for you.

Enjoy,
Bill

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