Even though we ARE Nikon lovers,we are NOT affiliated with Nikon Corp. in any way.

English German French

Sign up Login
Home Forums Articles Galleries Recent Photos Contest Help Search News Workshops Shop Upgrade Membership Recommended
members
All members Wiki Contests Vouchers Apps Newsletter THE NIKONIAN™ Magazines Podcasts Fundraising

Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author
Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Wed 04-Sep-13 09:50 PM | edited Thu 05-Sep-13 11:28 AM by ericbowles

I was at a camera store today, and the owner appeared quite knowledgeable.

One thing he said seemed at odds to what I have found. He said if you use a grip and D4 batteries with the D800, you get 5 FPS in FX raw.

I pointed out the manual said 4 in full FX, he stood by it, said that is what people are actually getting.

Has anyone actually checked? If I could get 5 fps in FX mode, I'd consider springing for the grip and batter and door and use the ENEL18s'.

Made me wonder (and the manual does say "average") if it will shoot 5fps for at least a couple seconds, maybe it's a data bus limitation but it has some ability to buffer?

Anyone try? Maybe shoot a running clock with hundredths showing?

Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

ericbowles

Atlanta, US
10552 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#1. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

ericbowles Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge and high level skills in various areas, especially Landscape and Wildlife Photoghraphy Writer Ribbon awarded for for his article contributions to the community Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 25th Nov 2005
Thu 05-Sep-13 09:47 AM

I don't have the battery to test, but yes, with the grip and ENEL18 you can get 5 fps or even 6 fps, but it requires a smaller RAW image. You need to select FX 1.2 mode for 5 fps or DX mode for 6fps. It is published in the manual on page 104 and in the specs on page 426.

Keep in mind that Auto ISO, VR, noise reduction, and the pop up flash can limit the frame rate.

Eric Bowles
Nikonians Team
My Gallery
Fall Workshops - Golf Photography at the Tour Championship and Fall Color in the Smokies

Nikonians membership — my most important photographic investment, after the camera

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#2. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 1

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Thu 05-Sep-13 11:06 AM

>I don't have the battery to test, but yes, with the grip and
>ENEL18 you can get 5 fps or even 6 fps, but it requires a
>smaller RAW image. You need to select FX 1.2 mode for 5 fps
>or DX mode for 6fps. It is published in the manual on page
>104 and in the specs on page 426.

I probably wasn't clear. I know exactly what it says in the manual, so did he, we talked about that.

He said that despite what it says, people are getting 5fps at full FX.

That's why I was curious, whether he was just anxious to sell me a grip and blowing smoke, or there really is an undocumented feature here?

Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

ericbowles

Atlanta, US
10552 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#3. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 2

ericbowles Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge and high level skills in various areas, especially Landscape and Wildlife Photoghraphy Writer Ribbon awarded for for his article contributions to the community Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 25th Nov 2005
Thu 05-Sep-13 11:13 AM

I don't think that's right. If you were to test, you get an extra frame since the first frame is included, but otherwise it's just not correct.

Eric Bowles
Nikonians Team
My Gallery
Fall Workshops - Golf Photography at the Tour Championship and Fall Color in the Smokies

Nikonians membership — my most important photographic investment, after the camera

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#4. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 3

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Thu 05-Sep-13 11:16 AM

>I don't think that's right. If you were to test, you get an
>extra frame since the first frame is included, but otherwise
>it's just not correct.

Well, that was my reaction, but he was so sincere, I wondered if anyone had tried (I don't have a grip).


Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

PerroneFord

Tallahassee, US
2807 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#5. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 4

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Fri 06-Sep-13 02:55 AM

I have a grip, but have not sprung for all the extras to run a D4 battery. Honestly, I don't care. I didn't buy my D800 to shoot fast. If I want that, I'll use the D3s. If I want 6fps and modern sensors, I'll use the D600.

I think the guy probably BELIEVES he is right, but I don't think he is.

-P

>>I don't think that's right. If you were to test, you get
>an
>>extra frame since the first frame is included, but
>otherwise
>>it's just not correct.
>
>Well, that was my reaction, but he was so sincere, I wondered
>if anyone had tried (I don't have a grip).
>
>
>Linwood
>
>Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

------
Webpage: http://www.ptfphoto.com

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

ajdooley

Waterloo, US
3332 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#6. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

ajdooley Gold Member Nikonian since 25th May 2006
Fri 06-Sep-13 09:07 AM

I think you can attribute 4 frames per second to the camera and 1 to the salesman's wishful thinking! If 5 fps were possible, don't you think Nikon would claim that capability? Sounding knowledgeable doesn't necessarily make it so.

Alan
Waterloo, IL, USA
www.proimagingmidamerica.com

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

RECONLEY

Marietta, US
572 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#7. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

RECONLEY Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Jun 2012
Fri 06-Sep-13 10:28 AM

I just made 5 runs shooting until the buffer filled @1/400 sec and I had one string where the internal clock recorded 5 frames within the same second. Given I had no way to start the series at 00 hundreds of a second, the body "COULD" actually be squeaking out 5 frames per second consistently with the en-el18 battery.

While I am not surprised, I do not see D4 owners rushing to trade-in their cameras now for the D800.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#8. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 5

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Fri 06-Sep-13 11:48 AM


>I think the guy probably BELIEVES he is right, but I don't
>think he is.

Perhaps. He also claimed that the fall release of cameras will have a D4X with a D800 sensor (not the 54meg I've seen elsewhere) at about 7-8 fps, and significantly more than the D4 price. We'll see how good his sources are in a few months.

>I think you can attribute 4 frames per second to the camera
>and 1 to the salesman's wishful thinking! If 5 fps were
>possible, don't you think Nikon would claim that capability?
>Sounding knowledgeable doesn't necessarily make it so.

Well, perhaps. Suppose the buffer couldn't keep up for the whole buffer, then they would get in trouble for claiming it, if only (making this up) the first 10 shots were at 5fps. But that's all speculative.

>I just made 5 runs shooting until the buffer filled @1/400 sec
>and I had one string where the internal clock recorded 5
>frames within the same second.

Yeah, but that's pretty normal, I've seen that with the regular battery. I usually get just slightly more than 4fps, so every once in a while you get 5 in a second (kind of like two full moons in a month).

>While I am not surprised, I do not see D4 owners rushing to
>trade-in their cameras now for the D800.

No, but unlike Perrone, my choices for a second body are a D800 or my cell phone. If I could get another fps out of it, it might be the thing that pushed me over the edge to get the grip (which I want but really can't justify the cost for, so an excuse might be welcome).

And you never know. Figured if any group of people would know for sure, outside of Nikon, it would be someone here.


Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

bkinthebay

bkinthebay, BE
409 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#9. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

bkinthebay Registered since 27th Feb 2010
Fri 06-Sep-13 02:28 PM

I recorded the sound of my D800 shooting at max frame rate in FX and DX mode. With the grip and standard EN-EL15 everything is like indicated in the manual.

Here is the output from garageband (mac music software):


FX:

Click on image to view larger version


DX:
Click on image to view larger version


I wish I had the EN-EL18 to compare in DX mode but the battery charger is just too expensive for me to justify the upgrade



Attachment#1 (jpg file)
Attachment#2 (jpg file)

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#10. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 9

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Fri 06-Sep-13 02:34 PM

>I recorded the sound of my D800 shooting at max frame rate in
>FX and DX mode. With the grip and standard EN-EL15 everything
>is like indicated in the manual.

Thanks.

>I wish I had the EN-EL18 to compare in DX mode but the battery
>charger is just too expensive for me to justify the upgrade

Yeah, and the grip is just too expensive to justify for me, though I have the charger (well, grip plus another battery or two). I have Four of the EN-EL15 (long story involving finding some cheap at a going-out-of-business Best buy during the shortage from the recall).

So together we can justify one. Sadly sharing across the Atlantic is probably not going to work.

Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

RECONLEY

Marietta, US
572 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#11. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 8

RECONLEY Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Jun 2012
Fri 06-Sep-13 02:43 PM

>
>

>>I just made 5 runs shooting until the buffer filled @1/400
>sec
>>and I had one string where the internal clock recorded 5
>>frames within the same second.
>
>Yeah, but that's pretty normal, I've seen that with the
>regular battery. I usually get just slightly more than 4fps,
>so every once in a while you get 5 in a second (kind of like
>two full moons in a month).
>
>
>Linwood
>
>Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

You conveniently omitted the next observation, since I could not start the clock at 0.00 seconds, for each run I was not using some of the second at the beginning and at the end but could not measure the amount of second that was unused.

Also you state that you have seen with the regular battery an occasional 5 shot per second burst. How did you measure that?

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#12. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 11

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Fri 06-Sep-13 02:47 PM


>You conveniently omitted the next observation, since I could
>not start the clock at 0.00 seconds, for each run I was not
>using some of the second at the beginning and at the end but
>could not measure the amount of second that was unused.

I didn't mean to draw a contrary conclusion based on it, and perhaps I still don't understand your complete point.

>Also you state that you have seen with the regular battery an
>occasional 5 shot per second burst. How did you measure
>that?

I got a smart phone, found a clock that would display tenth's of a second(would have preferred hundredths), and took pictures of it at high shutter speed, then read them off the image itself. I don't completely trust the camera clock, as not sure exactly how it deals with the pipeline inside of it (i.e. the buffer) and when the time is attached.


Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

walkerr

Colorado Springs, US
16920 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#13. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Master Ribbon awarded as a member who has gone beyond technical knowledge to show mastery of the art and science of photography   Donor Ribbon awarded for his most generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 05th May 2002
Fri 06-Sep-13 04:15 PM

I just timed this configuration and it's exactly four frames per second until the buffer fills, just like the spec. I had everything turned off that might slow things down. The battery out of my D4 was charged up and the compact flash card was a fairly fast one.

Rick Walker

My photos:

GeoVista Photography

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#14. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 13

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Fri 06-Sep-13 04:16 PM

>I just timed this configuration and it's exactly four frames
>per second until the buffer fills, just like the spec. I had
>everything turned off that might slow things down. The
>battery out of my D4 was charged up and the compact flash card
>was a fairly fast one.

Well, so much for his theory. Thank you!


Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

walkerr

Colorado Springs, US
16920 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#15. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 14

walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Master Ribbon awarded as a member who has gone beyond technical knowledge to show mastery of the art and science of photography   Donor Ribbon awarded for his most generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 05th May 2002
Fri 06-Sep-13 05:22 PM

No problem!

Rick Walker

My photos:

GeoVista Photography

dm1dave

Lowden, US
13639 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#16. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 10

dm1dave Administrator Awarded for high level knowledge and skills in various areas, most notably in Wildlife and Landscape Writer Ribbon awarded for his excellent article contributions to the Nikonians community Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 12th Sep 2006
Fri 06-Sep-13 08:04 PM

My guess is that the camera store owner was repeating wishful thinking from some people who are trying to justify the purchase of the grip and battery.

What they are probably seeing is what we see in the chart in post #9 above.

In 3 seconds Bernard got 13 shots (4.33 FPS) Shot #1 and shot #5 are 1 second apart.

I tried this today and got the same result without the grip – using the EXIF data timestamp - my shot #5 was exactly 1 second after shot #1 (shot #1 = 10:31:06.50 > Shot #5 = 10:31:07.50)

So, if I shoot a burst of only 5 shots - one could argue that I got 5 frames in one second. But if I continued to shoot the time stamp shows just 4 frames per within the next second.


Generally if I think I may need to shoot a fast burst I just go to 1.2 cope mode to get the extra frame per second. You can hear the difference between 4 and 5 FPS.

Dave Summers
Nikonians Photo Contest Director
My Nikonians Gallery | Current Nikonians Contests

Click on image to view larger version

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#17. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 16

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Fri 06-Sep-13 08:29 PM

>My guess is that the camera store owner was repeating wishful
>thinking from some people who are trying to justify the
>purchase of the grip and battery.

I think he believed it. But I also don't think he bothered to find out for sure - people often verify bad news, but not good news. I'm a pessimist by nature, so I verify good news first.


Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

aztwang

Avondale, US
408 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#18. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 5

aztwang Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2009
Sat 07-Sep-13 04:48 AM

Hey Perrone,how's football going for ya? You having fun with the new sport?

Don

>I have a grip, but have not sprung for all the extras to run
>a D4 battery. Honestly, I don't care. I didn't buy my D800
>to shoot fast. If I want that, I'll use the D3s. If I want
>6fps and modern sensors, I'll use the D600.
>
>I think the guy probably BELIEVES he is right, but I don't
>think he is.
>
>-P
>
>>>I don't think that's right. If you were to test, you
>get
>>an
>>>extra frame since the first frame is included, but
>>otherwise
>>>it's just not correct.
>>
>>Well, that was my reaction, but he was so sincere, I
>wondered
>>if anyone had tried (I don't have a grip).
>>
>>
>>Linwood
>>
>>Comments welcomed on pictures:
>Http://www.captivephotons.com
>


.

"Technical aspects MUST be innate"



Visit my website: phxsports.net

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

RECONLEY

Marietta, US
572 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#19. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 0

RECONLEY Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Jun 2012
Sat 07-Sep-13 10:16 AM

I just went back through the images I took and noticed that the "Date shot" field cares 1/100 sec data. For the 76 images I took there are always 5 consecutive images consistently taken in 1.01 seconds. The camera with the en-el18 battery is a 4 FPS body, but just barely. With all of the exaggerations in today's advertising, I am surprised that the D800 is not claimed to be a 5 FPS body.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

PerroneFord

Tallahassee, US
2807 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#20. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 18

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Sat 07-Sep-13 11:18 AM

>Hey Perrone,how's football going for ya? You having fun with
>the new sport?

I haven't shot any yet. Still a week away.

------
Webpage: http://www.ptfphoto.com

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

walkerr

Colorado Springs, US
16920 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#21. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 19

walkerr Administrator Awarded for his con tributed articles published at the Resources Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in multiple areas Master Ribbon awarded as a member who has gone beyond technical knowledge to show mastery of the art and science of photography   Donor Ribbon awarded for his most generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 05th May 2002
Sat 07-Sep-13 11:41 AM | edited Sat 07-Sep-13 11:44 AM by walkerr

That fifth frame is taken just over 1.0 seconds after the first. That's four frames per second. You'd be seeing the sixth frame at the 1.0 second mark if you were getting five frames per second.

(Technically, if your fifth frame was consistently at 1.01 seconds, the camera isn't quite hitting four frames per second, but since it's so ridiculously close, it makes sense to round up)

Rick Walker

My photos:

GeoVista Photography

RECONLEY

Marietta, US
572 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#22. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 21

RECONLEY Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Jun 2012
Sat 07-Sep-13 12:39 PM

>That fifth frame is taken just over 1.0 seconds after the
>first. That's four frames per second.

Yes, that is what I said.

> You'd be seeing the
>sixth frame at the 1.0 second mark if you were getting five
>frames per second.

True.
>
>(Technically, if your fifth frame was consistently at 1.01
>seconds, the camera isn't quite hitting four frames per
>second, but since it's so ridiculously close, it makes sense
>to round up)

Not true. The camera is consistently taking 4 frames well within a one second interval.

Visit my Nikonians gallery.

Ferguson

Cape Coral, US
5703 posts

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author

#23. "RE: Is the D800 with the grip 5fps raw?" | In response to Reply # 22

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Sat 07-Sep-13 01:05 PM


>>(Technically, if your fifth frame was consistently at
>1.01
>>seconds, the camera isn't quite hitting four frames per
>>second, but since it's so ridiculously close, it makes
>sense
>>to round up)
>
>Not true. The camera is consistently taking 4 frames well
>within a one second interval.

Not that it can do so, but after 100 seconds it will have taken 1 fewer frames than it should to be a true 4fps.

But for all practical purposes you are both right, especially since I doubt the precision of the clock is that high.

Linwood

Comments welcomed on pictures: Http://www.captivephotons.com

G