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Revealing D800E NEF files

Benkoop

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Benkoop Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2009
Wed 04-Apr-12 05:16 PM | edited Wed 04-Apr-12 06:55 PM by Benkoop

Revealing D800E NEF files for those who are waiting and for those who are going to. I'm in awe about quality and detail.

The link I got from dpreview:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpcfoto.biz%2Fna-prvi-pogled-nikon-d800e

Scroll all the way down, click the red numbers and you get the NEF files. There is quite some moire to be seen: look f.e. at the boots of the blond girl in image 2, at the tall building in image 10 (phew - cheap lens?) and at the coat in image 19 - it doesn't really scare me though. For shocking detail see image 18.
Enjoy!

Wim

Robman3

West of Santa Monica, US
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#1. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 0

Robman3 Registered since 12th Apr 2010
Wed 04-Apr-12 04:08 PM

Thanks Wim,

A great read, albeit into English from Serbian, still with some syntax twists and turns.

As for the backside image in number two, indeed, boots and booty at a war memorial.

Seriously, thanks for the link.

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btbschwarz

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#2. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 0

btbschwarz Laureate Ribbon awarded for winning a Nikonians Annual Photo Contest Registered since 20th Jan 2009
Thu 05-Apr-12 05:48 PM | edited Fri 06-Apr-12 01:40 PM by btbschwarz

Number 10 looked to me like a good example to try the moire-reduction in CNX2 - but I could not detect any difference with moire-reduction applied or not?
(Not the point, but the WB of the nef-files looked very much different to the JPGs?)
Could somebody else try the moire-reduction and tell me his/her findings?

Greetings
Bernhard

Benkoop

Amsterdam, NL
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#3. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 2

Benkoop Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Sep 2009
Thu 05-Apr-12 07:15 PM

Here the result of a quick moire reduction with Lightroom on image 10:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=41075775


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piniongear

Houston Texas, US
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#4. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 0

piniongear Registered since 29th Jul 2006
Thu 05-Apr-12 06:38 PM

Thanks for posting the link to the pics (I guess?)

All of the pics look terrible to me, and not just the presence of moire either.

Is this what you get for spending over $3K on a camera?

If so, I am double glad I canceled my order for one before it shipped.

Whew! Looks like something shot with a Brownie.

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rplst8

Johnstown, US
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#5. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 4

rplst8 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2008
Fri 06-Apr-12 02:59 PM

>Thanks for posting the link to the pics (I guess?)
>
>All of the pics look terrible to me, and not just the presence
>of moire either.
>
>Is this what you get for spending over $3K on a camera?
>
>If so, I am double glad I canceled my order for one before it
>shipped.
>
>Whew! Looks like something shot with a Brownie.
>
>Perry

Get real... That shot of the man in the coat #19 I think demonstrates the capability of the camera. It is razor sharp... you can see ultra fine hairs on his bottom lip and in the corner of his mouth.

No one is hating on the D700, why do you have to hate on the D800?

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piniongear

Houston Texas, US
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#6. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 5

piniongear Registered since 29th Jul 2006
Fri 06-Apr-12 04:29 PM

I am not hating on anything.
I simply said what my impression is and that is the pics look like they were taken with a Brownie Box.
Nothing I have seen so far even comes close to justifying spending $3000 for this camera.
That is simply my opinion and my observation and I am sticking with it until I see something that make me think otherwise.
So far that has not happened.
I decided to spend part of my $3K on glass instead of the D800.
It was an easily reached decision I might add.
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sigint17

Lincoln, US
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#7. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 4

sigint17 Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Dec 2010
Sun 08-Apr-12 03:19 PM

It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. You deserve no less than a Brownie. Try B&H they may have some on backorder.

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piniongear

Houston Texas, US
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#8. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 7

piniongear Registered since 29th Jul 2006
Sun 08-Apr-12 04:04 PM

I feel so insulted I may just go off in a corner and cry.

The pics look like they were taken with a Brownie. I said that only because it is how they look to me.
Others will differ and that is fine.

PerroneFord posted some #### of a cereal box label earlier in another post. I don't know why he did that because the text is extremely fuzzy and the pictures are really poor.

I said they looked looked fuzzy only because they did.
His reply was to post another set of pics that were meant to impress me(?)

Well, they made an impression alright, but it was regarding the lack of depth of field, and as a result was not a good impression.

The center leaves were in focus and the tree trunks on either side were fuzzy.

If the trees had been in the distant background...then OK.
But they were lose to point of focus so the impression made (to me) was not good.

Hey, all I am asking to see are pics that are clearly better than what could be taken with a D300 or D700 to justify the high cost of the D800.

I have to see some real proof of an improvement before I spend that kind of money!

So far there is no proof being presented.

I have to wonder if there are not a few owners who are truly disappointed with what they got by spending 3 grand on the D800?

As for B&H.....I had a D800 on order since Feb 17 but after the shipping date came and went I began to question myself if this camera really worth the price?

I decided for me.... there was no evidence to indicate is was worth it at this point, so I happily canceled my order.

I stuck some of the money into glass and await any evidence that the camera is anywhere worth the price to me.
Still waiting.......
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jhearl

Milford, VA, US
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#9. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 0

jhearl Registered since 16th Apr 2007
Fri 06-Apr-12 10:49 AM

I'm not so in awe about these photos but I suspect it's more about the photographer than the camera. There is one part of one image that disturbs me though. It's the man in the brown jacket (Photo 19). Take a look at the skin in the shadow area on the side of his nose. It looks horrible. Smeared and gray/blue. I don't think his skin really looks like this. This crop is from the JPG on that site, but I downloaded the NEF file and it looks the same (only darker) I have a Panasonic DMC-G1 that does the same thing to skin tones (only worse). I don't see this kind of thing with my D300. I notice that this one was shot at ISO 50 for some reason. Maybe that's a factor? Whatever, I think it's pretty ugly.


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rplst8

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#10. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 9

rplst8 Silver Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2008
Fri 06-Apr-12 02:41 PM

I don't know if they've updated the images or not, but the copy I'm looking DEFINITELY does not look like that.

What I see in your image looks like JPG recompression issues or maybe the bit depth of your screen? Did you do a screen capture at 16 bit color?

Here's what I see (from the JPG on the original site).

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jhearl

Milford, VA, US
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#11. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 10

jhearl Registered since 16th Apr 2007
Fri 06-Apr-12 03:29 PM

Interesting! I clicked on the thumbnail image on the page and it displayed a full-res jpg in my browser (FireFox). What I saw in my browser is exactly what I posted in the message above. In order to do the crop, I right-clicked on the image (Windows, of course) and selectd "Copy Image". I then pasted that image into Photoshop and it looked just the way it did in the browser. Just went back to the site and did the same thing with the same results, so it's not a different image. The image you posted looks fine - none of the blue/gray mess I'm seeing on the original.

This time, I saved the jpg file directly to my desktop rather than opening it in the browser first, then opened the file in Photoshop and it looks fine that way.(That is, like your posted image above.) I can't open the NEF file in my version of PS but I can see it in Windows Photo Viewer and it looks bad there.

Either way, the photo comes into PS as an 8-bit file.

I guess I don't have a good explanation for this but thanks for pointing it out.

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adangus

Franktown, US
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#12. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 11

adangus Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Jan 2009
Sun 08-Apr-12 01:31 PM

Just a guess here, check to see if it's a color space issue; e.g., embedded Adobe RGB versus sRGB in your capture and display.

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Jimi

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#13. "RE: Revealing D800E NEF files" | In response to Reply # 0

Jimi Team Member Nikonian since 09th Nov 2006
Fri 06-Apr-12 03:20 PM | edited Fri 06-Apr-12 03:22 PM by Jimi

Never mind.

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