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D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?

true_superfly

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true_superfly Registered since 27th Mar 2012
Tue 17-Apr-12 07:54 PM


The Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8 has no VR. If you are NOT shooting on tripod or monopod, and only use ambient light, can you use D800 plus this lens to produce satisfactory large prints (say, indoor wedding, indoor concerts, etc)?

Only reason I asked is because after paying off the D800 and the 70-200mm f/2.8 VRII, I can only afford either the 24-70 mm f/2.8 or a couple primes for that range. Any advice is appreciated.

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#1. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

nwcs Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Landscape and Wildlife Photography Registered since 15th Jan 2006
Tue 17-Apr-12 05:59 PM

Certainly. The 24-70 is a fantastic lens. It will all come down to how good your handholding technique is for the conditions you're in. The 24-70 isn't that much different weight and size-wise from the 70-200 so if you're good at handling the 70-200 you should be just fine with the 24-70.

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#2. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

af4nc Registered since 07th Jul 2007
Tue 17-Apr-12 06:45 PM

Great lens, no problem

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#3. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 2

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Tue 17-Apr-12 07:44 PM

I owned the 24-70 and loved it, BUT I find a good 50mm is much better for a lot less money and to zoom I move forward or backward. 50's are much sharper than most zoom's. With that being said I sure need to get me a good 85.

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true_superfly

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#4. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 3

true_superfly Registered since 27th Mar 2012
Tue 17-Apr-12 09:44 PM | edited Tue 17-Apr-12 09:48 PM by true_superfly

>I owned the 24-70 and loved it, BUT I find a good 50mm is
>much better for a lot less money and to zoom I move forward or
>backward. 50's are much sharper than most zoom's. With that
>being said I sure need to get me a good 85.

Thanks for the inputs, everyone!

Instead of paying for the 24-70mm f/2.8, I was indeed thinking about getting a Nikkor 50mm f1.8G + maybe a Nikkor 24mm f/1.4G or 35 mm f/1.4G. However, these couple primes actually cost MORE than just the 24-70mm f/2.8?

Purely from image quality (sharpness, distortion, ...) point of view, how do you rank your 24-70mm vs. your 50mm (1.4G, I suppose?) mounted on a D800 (simply because the 36MP makes every blur more apparent on large prints)?

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#5. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 4

Gator Bob Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Jul 2006
Wed 18-Apr-12 06:43 PM

>Instead of paying for the 24-70mm f/2.8, I was indeed thinking
>about getting a Nikkor 50mm f1.8G + maybe a Nikkor 24mm f/1.4G
>or 35 mm f/1.4G.

My 14-24 is literally a mind-expanding lens and is my all-time favorite Nikon lens -- and that's over my 50 years of Nikon photography. You are trying to compare lenses that are simply not comparable -- each serves an entirely different purpose.


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#6. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 3

geneluck Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Oct 2004
Wed 18-Apr-12 12:05 PM

>I owned the 24-70 and loved it, BUT I find a good 50mm is
>much better for a lot less money
Sorry, knowing that the 24-70 is one of the best Nikon lenses out there, this sounds like a sweeping statement to me without evidence:what criteria make you say that?
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#7. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 6

mikesrc Registered since 03rd May 2009
Wed 18-Apr-12 12:46 PM

>>I owned the 24-70 and loved it, BUT I find a good 50mm
>is
>>much better for a lot less money
>Sorry, knowing that the 24-70 is one of the best Nikon lenses
>out there, this sounds like a sweeping statement to me without
>evidence:what criteria make you say that?
>Jean-luc
>

What I see in the pictures I take!! In my gallery flowers 2012 I've shot a lot of pictures this spring with the D800 and a 50mm 1.4. The color and detail are as good as I've ever seen, In fact all of my high dollar lens are down the road. That might be making it to simple. But why carry a bag full of high dollar lens when I can get done with just 2 lens. I do have one tele lens but I won't tell you what it is because you would laugh.

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#8. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 7

geneluck Silver Member Nikonian since 16th Oct 2004
Wed 18-Apr-12 03:27 PM | edited Wed 18-Apr-12 03:28 PM by geneluck

Hi Mike,
Ok , now I know which 50mm you've got. Yes the 1.4 is a very good lens and of course you can play with very shallow DOF especially on flowers or objects (like rings or other objects shot at a wedding), which you cannot do with the f2.8 zoom and this can make a difference indeed. Otherwise even wide open I find the the 24-70 very sharp and fast focusing (of course on my D700, I do not have a D800 yet, until NAs will convince to get it!)
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#9. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 7

Henry64 Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Jan 2008
Wed 18-Apr-12 04:47 PM

50mm - um, quite interesting because none of the 50mm's are on the recommeded list - very much to my surprise....

own a 50 f/1.4G myself and enjoy it on D700 - wonder why this very basic lens is not on the list.

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#10. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 9

MotoMannequin Awarded for his extraordinary skills in landscape and wildlife photography Registered since 11th Jan 2006
Sat 28-Apr-12 09:22 PM

>50mm - um, quite interesting because none of the 50mm's are
>on the recommeded list - very much to my surprise....

I consider the "recommended list" to be a bit of nonsense marketing fluff and probably based soley on the price of the lens.


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#11. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

mkaplan Gold Member Nikonian since 04th Apr 2012
Tue 17-Apr-12 09:14 PM

I have the 24-70 and have so far had absolutely no problem hand holding it. Seems to be a nice sharp lens.

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#12. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

bobcooley Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Apr 2009
Tue 17-Apr-12 09:49 PM

The Nikkor 24-70 is a top of the line, pro piece of glass. It's one of the best zooms, period.

The primes will serve you well if you are going for shallow depth of field, but for general use (especially like weddings) you can't go wrong with the 24-70.

later on, get a 50m 1.8 for shallow depth of field at a good price.

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#13. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

Ferguson Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for the generous sharing of his high level expertise in the spirit of Nikonians Nikonian since 19th Aug 2004
Tue 17-Apr-12 09:50 PM


This was a tough decision for me, as I have heard such good things about the 24-70, but I really like VR and I really think toward the long end it needs VR.

But I ended up buying it, and so far no regrets. It is very sharp right to the edges, it focuses very fast on it, and had great contrast and color.

I got the D800 for the amazing resolution. I ended up deciding I didn't want to spend the following few months thinking "that probably would not be soft if I wasn't using this lousy lens".

Now with this (and the spectacular 14-24) I can only think "That wouldn't be soft if you were a real photographer". So... hmmm... maybe you shouldn't buy it.

I will have some second thoughts if they now announce a 24-70 of equal quality with VR. And with my luck that's coming real soon. But lots of people say they won't add VR to this lens. I don't know.

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#14. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 13

true_superfly Registered since 27th Mar 2012
Tue 17-Apr-12 10:29 PM

:) LOL

Not sure if this will make you feel better, but I have never met any commercial photographer who has never taken any bad picture.

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#15. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

icslowmo Registered since 01st Jan 2012
Tue 17-Apr-12 10:59 PM

I own this lens also and use it on my D7000... Love the lens... Will be using it also on the D800E when it shows up.... The D800 and D7000 have more or less the same pixel size on the sensor, so I know from my experience that getting sharp images w/ the D7K in low light with the 24-70 f2.8 is do-able at iso 3200... this lens is so sharp that it has caused moire' on my D7K... here is the thread I posted pics in...

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=226&topic_id=40367&prev_page=show_topic&gid=40367#40429

I would say get the 24-70 F2.8 and then get a 50mm F1.4 for the shallow DOF effects... I would say the 50 F1.4G doesn't get really sharp until F2.8 to F5.6 or so anyways... so the 50mm is best for DOF effects where as the 24-70 F2.8 gives small zoom for little frame adjustments without having to take steps back and forth when some times thinks happen to fast to "get there." However the D800 will allow you to crop more just in case... The 24-70 does have some field curvature and doesn't both me much.... look here for example even though its the Canon 24-70:

http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/528-canon2470f28ff?start=1

You may notice it in pictures, but only you can decide if it's a big deal... Seems to me that most are not bothered by it... Hope this helps...

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#16. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

Marmion4 Gold Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2008
Tue 17-Apr-12 11:22 PM

The 24-70 lens was my last addition in the "trifecta" of 14-24 and 70-200. It is my "go to lens" and on my D300s the most.

I expect it will be on my D800 or D800E which ever gets to me first. That will be lens of choice as I get acquainted...

Wish I would have got that lens first in the trifecta.

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#17. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 16

Henry64 Silver Member Nikonian since 13th Jan 2008
Wed 18-Apr-12 05:13 AM

Sorry if you feel this is OT, but, have you considered getting a 24-120 f/4 VR rather than the expensive and heavy 24-70 f/2.8?

It is really a good alternativ, also on a D800 - of course not quite as good at the 24-70 - but very close. Need to be stopped one down and keept inside 24-70mm to have max. res. the extra 50mm range is a big bonus, although it overlaps your 70-200. I have found that I use this lens about 60-70% of the time.

I would not buy a 24-70 until it gets upgraded, unless I really needed the abs. very best.

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#18. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 17

Darrell Cottam Registered since 15th Apr 2012
Wed 18-Apr-12 11:38 AM

I have the 24-70 and I find it excellent on my D800.

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#19. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 18

yunjo Registered since 06th Jul 2008
Wed 18-Apr-12 03:04 PM

>I have the 24-70 and I find it excellent on my D800.

I second this statement! 70-200 VR II also excellent. 14-24 is very good.

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#20. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 17

Ray B Registered since 17th Dec 2008
Sat 28-Apr-12 07:19 PM

>Sorry if you feel this is OT, but, have you considered
>getting a 24-120 f/4 VR rather than the expensive and heavy
>24-70 f/2.8?
>
>It is really a good alternativ, also on a D800 - of course not
>quite as good at the 24-70 - but very close. Need to be
>stopped one down and keept inside 24-70mm to have max. res.

+1 for this idea. I sold my 24-70mm and got the 24-120mm VR but I don't buy that the latter is a compromise as such. It loses a stop but gains VR in a lighter cheaper package. You could buy this and a 50mm 1.4G together for a similar outlay to the 24-70mm alone.

Regarding IQ is it a compromise? I don't see it and neither does this review:

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-24-120mm-vr-review

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#21. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

true_superfly Registered since 27th Mar 2012
Wed 18-Apr-12 03:35 PM

Thanks for all your inputs and comments!

I have until end of May to decide. So any additional suggestion and insight will continually be appreciated.

Thanks again, everyone! I love this forum.

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#22. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 21

GiantTristan Silver Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Wed 18-Apr-12 07:15 PM | edited Wed 18-Apr-12 07:18 PM by GiantTristan

>Thanks for all your inputs and comments
>I have until end of May to decide. So any additional
>suggestion and insight will continually be appreciated.

I have had the 24-70/2.8 since it was first introduced and have used it with both the D200 and the D700. The lens is quite sharp for a zoom, has very fast auto focus and is very good for close ups. The lens has some distortion, especially at the wide end, and I use DxO to correct. After thousands of pictures I have never missed the VR capability - after all, things do move. With VR you can easily reduce shutter speed too much and you loose sharpness. When hand holding, it is a good rule to keep the shutter speed at least at 2x the focal length. IMHO, VR is useful only at focal lengths above about 100 mm.

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#23. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

trialcritic Registered since 17th Mar 2012
Wed 18-Apr-12 07:40 PM | edited Wed 18-Apr-12 07:43 PM by trialcritic

I got my 24-70 in 2008 and it has been my primary lens since then. I use it on my D800 and it is superb. Only issue, both the camera and the lens are heavy (994g + 900g). I had it on a trip to Monterey this weekend and was using it continuously for 4 hours without a tripod. I was quite tired by the end of it.

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#24. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 23

mrpenguin Silver Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2012
Wed 18-Apr-12 09:12 PM

My 24-70mm f2.8 is on my D800 probably 80% of the time.
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#25. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 24

richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009
Thu 19-Apr-12 07:37 AM

I have the 24-70, 70-200mm and until very recently the 14-24mm which I sold on here. I sold it because of three reasons. Firstly I was always almost scared of using it because of the bulbous lens and damaging it! Secondly, but more importantly, as a landscape photographer I wanted to use ND filters but wasn't prepared to pay for the Lee adaptor etc. Finally, my 24-70mm did everything just as well in a narrower view. I bought the 16-35mm f4 VRII just to give me flexibilty at the wider end with the advantage of filter usage. It's not the lens the 14-24 is, but it isn't far off and I love it's versatility.

I nearly always used the 14-24mm on a tripod as I do the 24-70 and 70-200mm so VR is not an issue. That said, I never had an issue with the 24-70mm handheld when I did a few weddings.

As an example of what the 24-70mm on a D700 can do please see a rare non tripod handheld image taken last year.

Fantastic lens VR really not necessary.

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#26. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 25

johnsal Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Nov 2009
Thu 19-Apr-12 12:44 PM

The Nikon 25-70mm f/2.8 lens seems to be well regarded by many on this forum but the DxO Mark Labs test results are not too impressive (on a D700), especially the chromatic aberration which is off the chart for all focal lengths and apertures. Does DxO Labs have it wrong, or is chromatic aberration not that important? Does anyone have experience or an opinion on DxO Labs test results or methods?

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#27. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 26

richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009
Thu 19-Apr-12 01:21 PM

I don't take much notice of lab reports, I prefer to see samples of peoples work here and elsewhere plus their comments. I read Thom Hogans reviews too. That is now the criteria for all my purchases of both cameras and lenses

I think it's true that the Nikon lenses 14-24/24-70/70-200 are very well regarded worldwide by Nikonians and pro's alike.

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#28. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 26

true_superfly Registered since 27th Mar 2012
Thu 19-Apr-12 11:14 PM

According to Photozone.de testing, the CA is actually low. See the link here (Photozone lab test).

Direct quote "On the average chromatic aberrations (color shadows at harsh contrast transitions) are comparatively low for a standard zoom lens."

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#29. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 28

Billsnature Registered since 22nd Apr 2012
Sat 28-Apr-12 07:04 PM

It would be nice if Nikon followed Canon's lead here and made a high quality VR lens in the range. I don't think the 24-120 VR is quite up to the IQ of Canon 24-105 IS. Maybe a 24-90 f4 with VR II would be the perfect stable mate for the D800, and hopefully a fraction of the price and weight of the 24-70 f2.8

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richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009
Sat 28-Apr-12 08:25 PM

I think, because I am allowed to imagine good things, a new 80-400mm equivilent VRII. In my dreams

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#31. "RE: D800 + Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8?" | In response to Reply # 0

gorji Registered since 07th Jan 2007
Sat 28-Apr-12 08:55 PM

I have the Nikkor 24-70 mm f/2.8 and love it. It stays on my D800.
I have the Nikkor 24-120 f/4. The lens data published by Nikon (MTFs) are better for the 24-70mm lens; no surprise: its a pro lens.

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