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D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?

Billsnature

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Billsnature Registered since 22nd Apr 2012
Sun 22-Apr-12 07:03 PM

I am trying to decide between the D800 and D800E as my return back to Nikon from Canon. I never shoot people pictures so textiles aren't an issue. For my landscape work I would love to have the D800E.

My concern is I I also do a lot of bird photograghy, frequently at close range with big glass. Will the 800E be a problem with the fine lines of feathers causing huge moire issues?

Gator Bob

SANTA FE, US
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#1. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 0

Gator Bob Silver Member Nikonian since 28th Jul 2006
Sun 22-Apr-12 08:31 PM

I think not. Check out luminous landscape's re-shoot comparison of the D800 and D800E.
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Jimi

South Lake Tahoe, US
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#2. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 0

Jimi Team Member Nikonian since 09th Nov 2006
Mon 23-Apr-12 06:16 PM

YES! First hand knowledge here. Maybe not huge, but I found it on some bird images, not all.
I'm a little worried about it but if it presents too much of a problem I will use a different body. D400 I hope.

Moire' tools in LR and PS will reduce but not completely remove in RAW files.

Moire' later when I report in full the side-by-side of the D800 and D800E which I tested this past weekend.

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Billsnature

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#3. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 2

Billsnature Registered since 22nd Apr 2012
Sat 28-Apr-12 07:27 PM | edited Sat 28-Apr-12 07:28 PM by Billsnature

So your solution would be 2 bodies and not moving to D800 verses the D800E?

I am really struggling with this. I do a lot of bird stuff and a lot of landscape. I suppose I could do 1 of each when the availability is up and the prices are down, but was hoping for a really clear E is OK or E improvment in landscape not that big.

Sadly the answers seem to be "it depends". Ugh it's like talking to lawyers

Jimi

South Lake Tahoe, US
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#4. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 3

Jimi Team Member Nikonian since 09th Nov 2006
Sat 28-Apr-12 07:36 PM

After shooting the E for a week, downloading my last shoot as I write, I think I might suggest the nonE for most shooters. The E is a little sharper but we're talking minimally compared to the D800 and you have to worry about the moire' in gray feathers. I shot a pileated woodpecker last night and saw slight moire' on the back feathers.

But I got to say, the D800 is plenty sharp and has plenty of detail. We're splitting hairs here. I thinking the D800 could be the only body you'll need. You can switch to DX mode on the fly and it is way way better than the D300.

I probably wouldn't need the D400, if and when, but I might want it anyway.

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richardd300

Dyserth, UK
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#5. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 4

richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009
Sat 28-Apr-12 09:24 PM | edited Sat 28-Apr-12 09:27 PM by richardd300

After numerous requests I am desperately awaiting any bird images both in FX, but even more so in DX mode. The D800 has a lot of Nikonian owners now, but the number of wildlife and in particular bird images are minimal.

Anything that would assess feather detail taken with a long lens and even cropped to 50% approx. would be appreciated please.

I believe that the true test in terms of ISO noise will be the DX cropped image. I would be very grateful if someone could post something to give me an idea if I may be missing something by not having a D800. Come on, someone please give me cause to say "wow"

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Jimi

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#6. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 5

Jimi Team Member Nikonian since 09th Nov 2006
Sat 28-Apr-12 09:54 PM | edited Sat 28-Apr-12 09:57 PM by Jimi

Okay, you want to say wow? I did last night. and again today when I shot a cowboy hand held at ISO800 at 200mm FX

I've also posted a couple of more birds on my blog.

Pileated is DX 15.56mb
200-400 at 400 with 1.4
ISO800
5.6 at 1/640

Cowboy is FX you can see the hair on his nose!
70-200 at 200
ISO 800
f5.0 1/1000 handheld

Just of note: I've shot at 1600 and 3200 with surprising results. These are 800.

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richardd300

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#7. "RE: D800E and feathers (birds) - Moire issue?" | In response to Reply # 6

richardd300 Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Apr 2009
Sun 29-Apr-12 06:03 AM

Thanks Jimi, those are exactly the sort of images I'm looking for and especially at ISO800. Thank you and I enjoyed your blog too. I look forward to seeing many more of your D800 work.

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