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I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????

BigBen636

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BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Mon 29-Apr-13 06:28 PM

I'm confused... Did you see this on YouTube ????

Saw this clip today;
Nikon D7100 vs Nikon D7000 image test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCqIP3032U8

Whoever watched this I would appreciate your thoughts on this fellows test and results.
TIA,
Ben

ericbowles

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#1. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

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Mon 29-Apr-13 04:54 PM

Sorry - It's a 30 minute rant / commentary. I listened to it for 4 minutes and did not see or hear anything useful. I never got to a test.

What I did see is the images were post processed. All the images had artifacts and banding due to the way they were processed or compressed.


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Kjdnikon

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#2. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

Kjdnikon Gold Member Nikonian since 03rd Mar 2013
Mon 29-Apr-13 05:06 PM

I also saw at the higher ISO settings the noise on the D7000 was by far the worse of the 4 cameras... I do not recall this being common in other comparisons of these cameras. No where do I see or can I find what and how the images were processed, what lenses were used, etc... We must just take the commentators word for all of his gibberish that he has appointed himself the all knowledgeable camera guru.

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BigBen636

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#3. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 2

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Mon 29-Apr-13 05:33 PM

Though I have been photographing for years I'm not into technical end.
Was taken aback by his comments about the D7100 and Nikon in general.
Thanks for you reply.
Ben

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#4. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

luckyphoto Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Dec 2010
Tue 30-Apr-13 01:04 AM

I wasn't real impressed with him or his tests. His ego and condescending attitude make you question the value of his findings and his objectivity.

Waste of time for me. I turned it off after about a minute.

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Omaha

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#5. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 4

Omaha Registered since 07th Jan 2012
Tue 30-Apr-13 03:03 AM

I lasted 2:30 before I gave up.

Was there a point in there?

Cameras don't matter. Not in the least. Every single iconic image of the 20th century was taken with a camera dramatically less capable than any DLSR on the market today.

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BigBen636

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#6. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 5

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Tue 30-Apr-13 04:10 AM

Am I the only one that watched it to the end and was confused
He spoke with such confidence about his results.
Thanks for you all for your input.
Appreciated
Ben

parch2k

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#7. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 6

parch2k Silver Member Charter Member
Tue 30-Apr-13 06:21 AM

His was an unscientific, meaningless rant -- in my opinion.

As soon as he started talking about 'interpolating', I knew he had a problem with proper scientific technique. It is also clear that he has an axe to grind with Nikon -- which indicates a total lack of objectivity.

He interpolates, converts at least twice and yet has the nerve to exclude information on lenses -- at least as long as I hung in there, which was way too long! Other viewers have indicated the absence of lens information too.

A useless waste of time!

- Paul
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BigBen636

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#8. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 7

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Tue 30-Apr-13 06:47 AM

Thank you....
Am getting more relieved with each response.
It was a surprise to hear being so negative about the D7100 image quality.
Yes, he did seem to be negative about Nikon in general.
Ben

briantilley

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#9. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 8

briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Tue 30-Apr-13 09:04 AM

A large part of the skill involved in using the internet is working out which sources of information can be trusted. Anyone can say or write what they like (within the law...), but in this case I'm sure this "review" can be safely ignored

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Gamecocks

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#10. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

Gamecocks Registered since 22nd Jul 2010
Tue 30-Apr-13 09:33 AM

Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it has to be truthful or valid.

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billD80

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#11. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 9

billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007
Tue 30-Apr-13 10:24 AM | edited Tue 30-Apr-13 06:34 PM by billD80

>A large part of the skill involved in using the internet is
>working out which sources of information can be trusted.
>Anyone can say or write what they like (within the law...),
>but in this case I'm sure this "review" can be
>safely ignored

OK, for some real amusement, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmXtxxfGoo



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#12. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

Chomper Registered since 29th Mar 2013
Tue 30-Apr-13 02:46 PM

No wonder you were confused. That was in IMHO a terrible review.

BigBen636

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BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Tue 30-Apr-13 03:08 PM

Happy no one wanted to try sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.

Ben

Camel Toad

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#14. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 12

Camel Toad Registered since 06th Dec 2012
Tue 30-Apr-13 04:25 PM

I have to agree. It was painfully boring and not engaging to me in any way.

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#15. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

golfercat Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Sep 2012
Tue 30-Apr-13 04:42 PM

I watched most of this video late last night, actually very early this morning. Quite a tirade. Though I do have to admit that it cured my insomina.

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BigBen636

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#16. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 15

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Tue 30-Apr-13 05:44 PM

So I was NOT alone....

Ben

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cosmicfires Registered since 22nd Nov 2011
Tue 30-Apr-13 06:03 PM

I made it through 2m 20s.

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kayakers11

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#18. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

kayakers11 Registered since 28th Nov 2012
Tue 30-Apr-13 07:22 PM

Owned my D7100 for 4 weeks now & it has exceeded my expectations in every way. I'm just too busy enjoying the picture taking experience it has afforded me to worry about anybody with a YouTube account and an axe to grind. Oh, curiosity did get the best of me though & I watched 2 min 12 secs but when he said "reinforce their beliefs" I stopped looking.

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gfinlayson

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#19. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

gfinlayson Registered since 24th Jan 2011
Tue 30-Apr-13 08:37 PM | edited Tue 30-Apr-13 08:44 PM by gfinlayson

As Brian says, this reviewer can safely be ignored. I looked at his separate comparison of the D7100 vs the Pentax K5 IIs - basically he loaded both cameras' files into Corel and auto-balanced them, which he says processes the RAW files as intended by the manufacturer. Firstly, none of the manufacturers share their proprietary RAW file architecture with third party software vendors, so auto correction of RAWs is pretty much guess-work. Secondly, if you have ever used the 'Auto' button on any PP software, you'll know the results are wildly unpredictable even on files from the same camera, let alone files from different manufacturers' cameras.

This guy has a serious axe to grind with Nikon and his testing is neither scientific, nor objective......

Edit:

It's also interesting that he quotes DxOMark's results to support his conclusions when the D7100 scored higher than the K5 IIs in three out of four tests and came out better overall.

Puddlepyrate2013

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#20. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

Puddlepyrate2013 Moderator Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2013
Wed 01-May-13 03:33 PM

Ben, no ones offered to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge because I bought it and some prime real estate in the Everglades, got a great deal on the internet... mine, mine, all mine...

Bob

BigBen636

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#21. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 20

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Wed 01-May-13 03:58 PM

Cute, cute....
I have to update what my 5th grade told us....
"Never believe all you read in the newspapers."
Later was taught to find the source and it's agenda.
All applicable to the world of the internet.
Ben

jeffcs

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#22. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 21

jeffcs Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009
Thu 02-May-13 08:35 AM

This is his 15 minutes of fame
I only made about 2 of them before I felt Ill and turned it off that's 2 minutes I will never get back - oh well I've waisted time on other stuff
Jeff

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unclemikey

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#23. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 5

unclemikey Registered since 29th Apr 2013
Fri 03-May-13 06:28 PM

>I lasted 2:30 before I gave up.
>
>Was there a point in there?
>
>Cameras don't matter. Not in the least. Every single iconic
>image of the 20th century was taken with a camera dramatically
>less capable than any DLSR on the market today.

Omaha, as a photographer and a psychologist there is a point. He likes his own voice and learned how to broadcast it on youtube.

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unclemikey

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#24. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 8

unclemikey Registered since 29th Apr 2013
Fri 03-May-13 06:44 PM

>Thank you....
>Am getting more relieved with each response.
>It was a surprise to hear being so negative about the D7100
>image quality.
>Yes, he did seem to be negative about Nikon in general.
>Ben

Ben take heed. You have a great camera and the potential to make great photography...use it. Don't listen to every jerk with an opinion, unless it is me. LOL This guy has an ego and his own opinion regarding folks who tend to stay with a brand that has over the years been an industry leader. Forget this guy.

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Clint S

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#25. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 0

Clint S Silver Member Nikonian since 02nd Jan 2011
Sun 05-May-13 03:21 AM

Theology combined with Photo???? Not off to a good start. (Strike 1)

He uses Imaging Resources photos; Imaging Resources images are not a valid comparison of one camera to another (strike 2), and he does not optimize processing (stike 3)????

Not worth the time and not confused at all.

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#26. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ????" | In response to Reply # 25

BillS52 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Apr 2011
Sun 05-May-13 01:25 PM

ZZZZZZZZ...zzzz...zz...z

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BigBen636

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#27. "RE: I'm confused.... Did you see this on YouTube ???? Moderator" | In response to Reply # 26

BigBen636 Registered since 28th Feb 2013
Sun 05-May-13 01:49 PM

I give up, I learnt my lesson.
Hope to get my D7100 in the next couple of days.
Can you please close this thread...
Ben

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