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volvoswede

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volvoswede Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Oct 2009
Thu 21-Feb-13 07:07 PM

Having sold my D3s here recently, I'm a "free agent" with FF lenses. I'll be interested in any IQ comparisons between the 7100 and D600. Anybody seen any yet?

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#1. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 0

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Thu 21-Feb-13 06:51 PM

Well, both are better than the D3s...

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#2. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 1

JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2009
Thu 21-Feb-13 09:55 PM

For what one has to ask? Not shooting in low light.

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#3. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 2

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Thu 21-Feb-13 10:04 PM

>For what one has to ask? Not shooting in low light.

Out to ISO 3200, the D600 is about even for my money. At ISO6400 the D3s might have a SLIGHT margin. Beyond that, the D3s will win. Below ISO 2500 I'll take the D600 every time.

Below ISO 1000, the D7000 pulls ahead of the D3s as well.


I shoot these cameras back to back every week. These have been my observations. I have no reason to think the D7100 would perform more poorly than the D7000 it is replacing.

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#4. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 3

JPJ Silver Member Nikonian since 19th Aug 2009
Thu 21-Feb-13 10:17 PM

I would agree that at lower ISO the increased dynamic range of the D7000 and D600 might have some advantage in some shots, but is less noticeable than the ability of the D3S to retain detail in all shots at 6400 ISO and above even downsizing the D600 and D7000 images to 12.1. MPs. That is my opinion of course.

There are other benefits to the D3s in terms of FPS, buffer, etc.

I don't think the IQ of either the D600 or D7x00 are clearly better than the D3s, depends what you are shooting.

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#5. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 4

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Thu 21-Feb-13 10:38 PM

>I would agree that at lower ISO the increased dynamic range
>of the D7000 and D600 might have some advantage in some shots,
>but is less noticeable than the ability of the D3S to retain
>detail in all shots at 6400 ISO and above even downsizing the
>D600 and D7000 images to 12.1. MPs. That is my opinion of
>course.

Again, it really depends on what you are shooting. I tend to shoot sports most often, and do some portrait, fashion, bikini work as well. For all of those in outdoor shooting, my choice of camera is as follow:

1. D800
2. D600
3. D7000
4. D3s

For pure sports work, #4 an #3 swap places.


>There are other benefits to the D3s in terms of FPS, buffer,
>etc.

True, if those things are important to the shooter. The question here was solely about image quality, so I didn't factor them in.


>I don't think the IQ of either the D600 or D7x00 are clearly
>better than the D3s, depends what you are shooting.

In my experience, they are clearly better. I have far better shadow gradation, more than a stop better dynamic range, better skin tones, better color rendition. The files are also easier and better to retouch.

I will be shooting the D600 and a pair of D3s in a week for night softball, and will be able to do a A/B comparison at ISO 3200 and 6400 at that time.


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plim

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#6. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 0

plim Registered since 28th Oct 2005
Thu 21-Feb-13 11:13 PM

I just upgraded from a D70s. Luckily, I had a 17-55 which afforded me the opportunity to basically choose a D7000 or D600 for almost the same price. I decided to dump dx and go fx.

That said, the D7100 does not seem like a huge upgrade to the D7000, and really doesn't differentiate itself from the D600.

The only things it really has is the no-aa filter and the newer d800-based focusing.

That said, 39/9 vs 51/15 doesn't really matter to me. They're both a lot of points and a lot of cross - types. And both still cover just the cropped area, so neither is going edge to edge.

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#7. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 6

PerroneFord Silver Member Nikonian since 07th Apr 2011
Fri 22-Feb-13 01:39 AM

>That said, 39/9 vs 51/15 doesn't really matter to me. They're
>both a lot of points and a lot of cross - types.

True

>And both
>still cover just the cropped area, so neither is going edge to
>edge.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say this. While it's true that neither set of focus points cover edge to edge, the D7000 covers a LOT more area than the D600. Not sure what your phrasing "the cropped area" means.

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#8. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 0

TomCurious Registered since 03rd Jan 2007
Fri 22-Feb-13 02:45 AM

With only FX lenses, I'd get an FX body. Differences in IQ between modern bodies will be a distant second to differences caused by the sensor format, like DOF. The only reason to even consider a DX body when one has only FX lenses has nothing to do with IQ: The D7100 provides more reach when using long lenses for wildlife and such, due to the higher pixel density (more than double the density of the D600).

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#9. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 0

Chris Platt Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2012
Fri 22-Feb-13 11:21 AM

The D7100 has just been announced. It isn't in the hands of photographers yet, so it's a bit early to be asking about comparisons in image quality.

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#10. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 9

somhompho Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Feb 2009
Sat 23-Feb-13 12:43 AM

Moose Peterson has couple shot with D7100 on his blog. Apparently he was one of the pre-release shooter

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#11. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 10

jules Basic Member
Sat 23-Feb-13 04:05 AM | edited Sat 23-Feb-13 04:14 AM by jules

The D7100 has my Focus Peaked (Sorry couldn't resist!), as many have stated in 1.3 crop mode the focus points go right up to the sides if not quite the corners!
There are however, some Caveats in the Autofocus department that are just as important as number and positioning of sensors that some are not considering (Oh Leonard where are you!).
With longer slower lenses like the Sigma 50-500 for instance that is as much as most peoples wallets can stand, are the tables turned? It's never as clear cut as it seems at first is it?
A summary below:

D7100

Nikon Advanced Multi-CAM 3500DX autofocus sensor module with TTL phase detection, fine-tuning, 51 focus points (including 15 cross-type sensors; the center focus point is available at apertures slower than f/5.6 and faster than f/8 or at f/8), and AF-assist illuminator (range approx. 0.5 - 3m/1 ft 8 in. - 9 ft 10 in.)

D600

Nikon Multi-CAM 4800 autofocus sensor module with TTL phase detection, fine-tuning, 39 focus points (including 9 cross-type sensors; the center 33 points are available at apertures slower than f/5.6 and faster than f/8, while the center 7 focus points are available at f/8), and AF-assist illuminator (range approx. 0.5-3 m/1 ft 8 in.-9 ft 10 in.)

By the way I'm not saying one is better than the other just pointing out the differences, ok?

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km6xz

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#12. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 10

km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Sat 23-Feb-13 05:55 AM

It would appear that, in what must be called an understatement, he likes likes the camera.
http://www.moosepeterson.com/blog/2013/02/20/life-is-here/

The word "amazing" was used extensively and summed up with " D7100 is a freakin great body that is a slam dank, gotta have!"

His posted photos are JPG, untouched straight from the camera.

From the specs and pro features it seems that using a model name so similar to the D7000 is misleading.

I may have found my camera for day to day shooting when the D800 is not needed. I had been thinking of gettting a used D3s for that role but would miss the reach of the D7000. This one gives the FOV of a 400mm on the long end of my beloved 70-200 2.8 walking around, portrait, event do everything lens.
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#13. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 12

TonyJ Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Sep 2004
Sat 23-Feb-13 12:24 PM

The crop factor does make it very interesting. Like you say, a 70-200mm f2.8 becomes 134-384mm f2.8 (equiv) Pretty damn incredible for sports and wildlife. Throw on the much loved tc1.4II and you have a 187x537mm f4 (equiv). Wow... Just for an extra wow, the 300mm f4 AFS with the TC1.4II becomes an 806mm F5.6 (equiv)! Yes, you have to suffer with only 15.4 MP. Tripod sales are going to increase.

Of course, we'll be reaching optical limits of the TCs.

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#14. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 7

plim Registered since 28th Oct 2005
Sat 23-Feb-13 03:00 PM

On the D600, the focus points only cover the dx crop area. I think on the D7100, it's the same deal. Yes, the D7000 focus points cover more of its frame than the D600 or D7100, but that's just more of a reason to get the D7000 for $300 cheaper...

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#15. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 14

Ray B Registered since 17th Dec 2008
Sat 23-Feb-13 05:26 PM

>On the D600, the focus points only cover the dx crop area. I
>think on the D7100, it's the same deal. Yes, the D7000 focus
>points cover more of its frame than the D600 or D7100, but
>that's just more of a reason to get the D7000 for $300
>cheaper...

The D7000 has the 39 point system whereas the D7100 has 51 covering a larger area of the viewfinder and entirely filling the 1.3 crop portion

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#16. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 15

volvoswede Silver Member Nikonian since 04th Oct 2009
Sat 23-Feb-13 06:39 PM

Well Thom has some interesting views on the 7100, including a belief there still may be a D300s

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#17. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 12

TomCurious Registered since 03rd Jan 2007
Sat 23-Feb-13 08:34 PM

The D7100 will surely be a great camera, but you wouldn't know this from Moose Peterson's blog. For one thing he is ecstatic about every piece of gear that Nikon commissions him to shoot, what else would you expect. And those 4 samples on his blog are a bit underwhelming, especially considering that he had 13,000 to choose from. All of them are static subject, so one wonders if he had trouble with the AF or buffer size when shooting moving animals or flying birds.

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#18. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 8

bpride44mob Registered since 13th Dec 2012
Sun 24-Feb-13 12:26 PM

>With only FX lenses, I'd get an FX body. Differences in IQ
>between modern bodies will be a distant second to differences
>caused by the sensor format, like DOF. The only reason to even
>consider a DX body when one has only FX lenses has nothing to
>do with IQ: The D7100 provides more reach when using long
>lenses for wildlife and such, due to the higher pixel density
>(more than double the density of the D600).

I'm a novice. What do you mean by "higher pixel density"? Both the D7100 and the D600 are 24 Megapixel cameras. Please explain. And thanks in advance.

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#19. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 18

TonyJ Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Sep 2004
Sun 24-Feb-13 12:39 PM

>I'm a novice. What do you mean by "higher pixel
>density"? Both the D7100 and the D600 are 24 Megapixel
>cameras. Please explain. And thanks in advance.

One easy way to understand it is to imagine 24 grapes evenly distributed on a small saucer (D7100). Now picture the same 24 grapes evenly distributed on a dinner plate (D600). There is a lot more space around the grapes on the bigger plate, therefore, less pixel density.
I'm sure we have an engineer out there ready to jump in a give us a better answer... lol

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#20. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 19

bpride44mob Registered since 13th Dec 2012
Sun 24-Feb-13 01:07 PM

>>I'm a novice. What do you mean by "higher
>pixel
>>density"? Both the D7100 and the D600 are 24
>Megapixel
>>cameras. Please explain. And thanks in advance.
>
>One easy way to understand it is to imagine 24 grapes evenly
>distributed on a small saucer (D7100). Now picture the same
>24 grapes evenly distributed on a dinner plate (D600). There
>is a lot more space around the grapes on the bigger plate,
>therefore, less pixel density.
> I'm sure we have an engineer out there ready to jump in a
>give us a better answer... lol
>


That makes sense.

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#21. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 19

plim Registered since 28th Oct 2005
Tue 26-Feb-13 03:10 PM | edited Tue 26-Feb-13 03:12 PM by plim

>>I'm a novice. What do you mean by "higher
>pixel
>>density"? Both the D7100 and the D600 are 24
>Megapixel
>>cameras. Please explain. And thanks in advance.
>
>One easy way to understand it is to imagine 24 grapes evenly
>distributed on a small saucer (D7100). Now picture the same
>24 grapes evenly distributed on a dinner plate (D600). There
>is a lot more space around the grapes on the bigger plate,
>therefore, less pixel density.
> I'm sure we have an engineer out there ready to jump in a
>give us a better answer... lol
>

actually, the analogy would be 24 small grapes on a small saucer. then 24 larger grapes that covers the dinner plate. the 24 larger grapes will produce more juice than the 24 smaller grapes.

same way, the 24 mp on an FX sensor - each pixel is larger than the 24 mp on a DX sensor. Larger pixels have better photo-sensitivity (esp low light).

that's why the MP war is a myth. packing more MP into the same sized sensor is not always the best thing. Now, coincidentally (somewhat), camera companies are improving the actual sensor used with each generation, to make up for cramming smaller sensors in.



oh sorry - you guys were talking about pixel density wrt actual image size...sorry, don't know how to analogize it better for that case...

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#22. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 21

billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007
Tue 26-Feb-13 04:13 PM


>actually, the analogy would be 24 small grapes on a small
>saucer. then 24 larger grapes that covers the dinner plate.
>the 24 larger grapes will produce more juice than the 24
>smaller grapes.
>

Yes, but what if the smaller grapes have more highly concentrated and flavorful juice? What if they're more like Le Sueur® peas, tiny for sure, but often more highly regarded than larger snow peas?

On the other hand, they could be like raisins... in which case, the D600's 24MP's might be sweeter than the D7100's.

Seriously, the grapes analogies are PERFECT for folks like me who need things restated in easy terms explaining complicated concepts. Well done!

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#23. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 0

Robman3 Registered since 12th Apr 2010
Wed 27-Feb-13 07:13 PM | edited Fri 01-Mar-13 04:26 PM by Robman3

I'll hang onto the D3S for the foreseeable future.

My DP associate (a perfunctory, from Japan technical savant) still claims the D3S is preferred for Weddings, not sure where he gleans that but he repeated it last week when we were divining his (A99/Sony-Zeiss) shots and mine (D800/Nikkor) from a drive through the Santa Monica Mountains.

It is reliable in concert and club settings and albeit at 12+ MP, is more forgiving.

If/when, a D4S arrives at 24MP perhaps then I would hand it off.

I believe that Perrone has a similar opinion about that, but I'm going off of memory as to where he may have indicated that. If I am incorrect, then forgive the mistake.

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#24. "RE: D600 VS 7100?" | In response to Reply # 17

dgs2 Silver Member Nikonian since 30th Sep 2004
Wed 27-Feb-13 07:49 PM

+1 Tom, I kept looking for the "amazing" in his photos. Still the D7100 is more interesting to me than the D600.

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