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D7000 and its hair trigger

intrepidnz

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intrepidnz Registered since 18th Nov 2004
Sat 20-Nov-10 04:05 PM

Just wiondering if this is something that's on all D7000s.

Mine seems to have a hair trigger!!

My D7k's shutter button has a very small distance between the point at which the focus is engaged and when the shutter is released.

It gives the imprssion that the shutter is released very soon after focus is engaged! Its certainly much quicker than the D300 that I have.

I am wondering if other people also have a hair trigger on their D7000.

It takes a bit of getting used to and I am having to slow down and make sure I don't press the shutter button too far and take the picture before the VR has had time to stablise the image!!

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Chris Ross Leong

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#1. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 0

Chris Ross Leong Registered since 18th Nov 2010
Sat 20-Nov-10 03:16 PM

I *love* mine!

For me, less trigger movement means less camera shake.
Which means the D7000 is a more "responsive" camera.
Like a sports car, responsive doesn't mean comfortable.
It's designed to get your heart racing and your nerves pumping, man!

And a beginning driver in a sports car?
Not.

Slow down, breathe easy, out, in, out in, out, half in and hold, squeeze between heart beats... wait, that's something else.

JM2c
YMMV
Cheers!
Chris




Holmes375

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#2. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 0

Holmes375 Registered since 08th Sep 2006
Sat 20-Nov-10 04:31 PM

I noticed this too, and I'm now convinced it may be the reason I could not duplicate keeper rates with the D7000 as compared to a D300 and D2Hs. Subjects were running dogs.

I'm sure I'd get used to it over time but going back and forth between bodies would be an issue for me as much of my dog action work is in the dead of winter and I'm wearing gloves. The D7000 shutter and gloved hands are not a great combination, in my opinion. This may well not be of consequence to most shooters.

I've decided to pass on the D7000 and keep the D300 around for a while longer.

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pdekman

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#3. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 0

pdekman Gold Member Winner in The Nikonians 10th Anniversary Photo Contest Awarded as a regular contributor who offers in-depth knowledge to members who are interested in building efficient work flows. Winner in the Annual Nikonians Best Images Contest 2015 Nikonian since 17th Nov 2005
Sat 20-Nov-10 06:14 PM

I decouple the focus from the shutter button (AF-On) so have not noticed. This might offer a convenient solution for you.

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Chris Ross Leong

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#4. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 2

Chris Ross Leong Registered since 18th Nov 2010
Sat 20-Nov-10 11:15 PM

Holmes - hello!
You're right. It's one thing to be snapping a model in a studio under controlled conditions in (sunny) Los Angeles, and quite another to be in gloves in the snow shooting running dogs.
In that case, even the D90 would be better than the D7k.
Cheers!
Chris

RRRoger

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#5. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 3

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Sun 21-Nov-10 01:18 AM

>I decouple the focus from the shutter button (AF-On) so have
>not noticed. This might offer a convenient solution for you.
>
We do Sport Events.
AF-ON is the only way to go.
It is much easier to prefocus.
You can even hold it down while you shoot a series of action shots.

You might also reduce the CL shooting speed to 3fps or less until you get used to it.
Mine is set for 4.

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B LaRue

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#6. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 5

B LaRue Registered since 04th Nov 2010
Sun 21-Nov-10 02:54 AM

I noticed the same thing, hair trigger. I'll have to try decoupling the focus from the shutter button and see if I like that. That is, if I figure out how! I've sure taken a few pictures I didn't intend on just yet!

I really love the tone and color of the images the D7000 produces. They look very different than my D300 images. And the low noise at high ISOs shocks me when I look at them.

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RRRoger

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#7. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 6

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Sun 21-Nov-10 03:24 AM

Memu/f Controls/f5 Assign AE-L/AF-L button/AF-ON

d Shooting /display d6/CL mode shooting speed/3fps

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B LaRue

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#8. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 7

B LaRue Registered since 04th Nov 2010
Sun 21-Nov-10 01:05 PM

Ah, thanks!

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pdekman

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#9. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 8

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Mon 22-Nov-10 02:00 AM

Once programmed for AF-On, also set your AF Mode to AF-C.

Now, your thumb can perform manual focus (don't press it), single-servo focus (press and release) and continuous focus (press and hold) in parallel with the shutter release. For VR lenses, this also allows focusing to occur without engaging VR each time. It may take a day to get used to it, but most love it once learned.

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billD80

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#10. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 9

billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007
Mon 22-Nov-10 12:43 PM

I think it's a feel thing. When I went from a D80 to a D200, the D200 took a good bit more effort to fire the shutter, and it's because of the extra gasket sealing related to the shutter release. The D300 feels identical to the D200.

At first I'd preferred the D80's lighter action! Then the D200 became more familiar... and I acclimatized.

The D7000, to me, feels more in the D80 style. I'm actually preferring it because I feel it enables me to more consistently squeeze the shutter release more than jab. It reminds me of my older Olympus OM-1 which had one of the smoothest shutters ever made.

It's a subtle "feel" thing (IMO), but one that can easily be adjusted to.

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OpticalSerenity

Atlanta, US
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#11. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 10

OpticalSerenity Registered since 23rd Oct 2006
Fri 26-Nov-10 06:52 AM

I did this and it's great. Yes, the D7000 has a super sensitive shutter button, but I like that. Like it's been said, it's better to prevent the camera from moving. I'm hoping the MB-MD11 has the same button sensitivity.

morrison

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#12. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger-another issue" | In response to Reply # 11

morrison Silver Member Nikonian since 14th Oct 2007
Mon 29-Nov-10 05:19 PM

Because of the increased sensitivity, I also found that I double-fire occasionally. My technique is to gently apply pressure to the shutter button until release and then stop. I find that the increased sensitivity of the button causes me to get an occasional double. If I consciously press on through after release, it never doubles. The sensitive bottom will just take some gettng used to. I really like the new feel and after 1500 images from my Hawaii trip last week, I hardly ever double anymore. Coming from A D80 and a D200, both of which I love, the D7000 is an awesome camera.

Bill

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Obes

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#13. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 0

Obes Registered since 22nd Aug 2009
Tue 30-Nov-10 09:16 AM

Yup hair trigger ... but I love it so smooth.

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intrepidnz

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#14. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 13

intrepidnz Registered since 18th Nov 2004
Tue 30-Nov-10 03:09 PM

Well, I just got an email back from Nikon who say that its not normal for the camera. Mind you, it could just be an interpretation of what I wrote so I will go to the shop I bought it from, check out one of the other D7000 and then decide whether to send my camera in for a check.

But it does sound as though its normal for the D7000, going from the posts on here.

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chgortari

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#15. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 9

chgortari Registered since 13th Nov 2010
Tue 30-Nov-10 11:43 PM | edited Tue 30-Nov-10 11:53 PM by chgortari

I don't follow the procedure in post #9?

billD80

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#16. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 14

billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007
Wed 01-Dec-10 12:09 AM

"Hair-trigger" is so subjective and impossible to analyze via a forum. To me, the D7000 shutter release is definitely less detented than the D200 (which was also different from the D80). But after taking a few hundred shots, it's easy for me to know exactly when the D7000 will enact focus, and when it will fire...

I think it's just a feel type of thing that is different, and takes a little getting used to...

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intrepidnz

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#17. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 14

intrepidnz Registered since 18th Nov 2004
Wed 01-Dec-10 04:22 PM

Well, to answer my own question, I took my D7000 back to the shop and then tested mine against the shop demo.

Guess what? No difference!!

I am happy with that! Will just continue to take heaps of pictures with it!!

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JohnE Nikon

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#18. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 9

JohnE Nikon Registered since 15th Jun 2010
Mon 06-Dec-10 02:39 AM

>Once programmed for AF-On, also set your AF Mode to AF-C.
>
>Now, your thumb can perform manual focus (don't press it),
>single-servo focus (press and release) and continuous focus
>(press and hold) in parallel with the shutter release. For VR
>lenses, this also allows focusing to occur without engaging VR
>each time. It may take a day to get used to it, but most love
>it once learned.
>
>
I have read that a lot of sports shooters prefer AF-on. Does it perform focusing better in anyway?
I never understood why people would use it
The benefits I see are;
- if the hair-trigger shutter is problematic
- save battery with no VR during focus, but VR often helps me compose and I think works better if engaged before shutter release

I would think that true single servo would give a more accurate focus than your method of press and release. Have you found similar results?

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RRRoger

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#19. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 18

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Mon 06-Dec-10 04:23 AM

>>Once programmed for AF-On, also set your AF Mode to
>AF-C.
>>
>>Now, your thumb can perform manual focus (don't press
>it),
>>single-servo focus (press and release) and continuous
>focus
>>(press and hold) in parallel with the shutter release.
>For VR
>>lenses, this also allows focusing to occur without
>engaging VR
>>each time. It may take a day to get used to it, but most
>love
>>it once learned.
>>
>>
>I have read that a lot of sports shooters prefer AF-on. Does
>it perform focusing better in anyway?
>I never understood why people would use it<

Answer:
For one thing holding the AF-ON button allows constant focus while taking multiple shots when you are tracking a subject.
It does this for you whether you are taking stills or movies.

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#20. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 19

JohnE Nikon Registered since 15th Jun 2010
Mon 06-Dec-10 09:39 AM


>Answer:
>For one thing holding the AF-ON button allows constant focus
>while taking multiple shots when you are tracking a subject.
>It does this for you whether you are taking stills or movies.
>

I thought the camera will focus while taking multiple shots weather or not AF-On is used. Is this incorrect?

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#21. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 17

waxart Registered since 16th Jan 2008
Thu 09-Dec-10 12:41 AM

I am grateful for the advice about AF-ON. I have arthritis and was constantly shooting multiple images with my D7000 accidentally. Now I can control the whole thing just fin

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#22. "AF-ON" | In response to Reply # 9

poc Registered since 08th Jan 2008
Thu 09-Dec-10 02:15 AM

Hello Paul,
It's been a while, but I am hoping you return to this thread, as I think you have really hit on something very useful for me.
Perhaps you can clarify a couple of points for us:
1. How can your thumb perform manual focus by not pressing the button? do you mean that your left hand is manual focusing on the lens?

2. What is the advantage of not engaging VR every time you focus? Also, I would assume that VR engages once you touch the shutter?

Thank you,

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km6xz

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#23. "RE: D7000 and its hair trigger" | In response to Reply # 21

km6xz Moderator Awarded for his in-depth knowledge in various areas, including Portraits and Urban Photography Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Thu 09-Dec-10 05:37 AM

The AF-On button might not be in the perfect position or you, it isn't on the D90 but you get used to it. The vertical grip however has it in the perfect position for portrait mode and in that position, the thicker grip area will be more comfortable for someone with arthritis.
I just recently switched to AF-On and like it a lot but when changing to portrait mode with the grip, the feel and balance even better, perfect in fact.
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#24. "RE: AF-ON" | In response to Reply # 22

JohnE Nikon Registered since 15th Jun 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 09:48 AM

>
>2. What is the advantage of not engaging VR every time you
>focus? Also, I would assume that VR engages once you touch the
>shutter?
>
>Thank you,
>
>POC

The only advantage I could see is that you save battery life.
VR will begin to engage with shutter release, but unless halfway depress prior to picture may not be fully engaged.

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