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What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?

RRRoger

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Thu 09-Dec-10 12:47 PM | edited Thu 09-Dec-10 02:36 PM by RRRoger

There is one pending right now.

These are what come to mind now,
feel free to critic or add to them.

1. Open source the firmware.
2. Video
a. Allow 1080P at 30fps
b. Up the Video shooting time to 25-30 minutes.
c. Allow Auto ISO in manual shooting mode
d. Allow turning off internal amp and/or gain adjustment while using external sound device like a Tascam.
3. Stills
a. Add crop modes to quality and size.
b. Add shadow around crop area.
c. Allow shooting with batteries in camera and grip at same time for greater frame rate in stills and video.
d. 4 custom menu banks and 4 shooting menu banks
4. Ability to copy all user settings to a flash card.

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#1. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

mikycoud Registered since 08th Dec 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 12:00 PM

Video:

-1080p25
-Allow selection of shutter speeds <1/30 while in Manual mode
-Allow selecting the full range of apertures WHILE in LV (AF-S lenses)
-We NEED to be able to monitor exposure, ie: zebras, or histogram, or Waveform (or the three of them
-We NEED to be able to monitor focus accurately, ie: peaking

I'm sure thee's plenty more, but that would be a start...

Thanx for listening Nikon.

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#2. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

Gamecocks Registered since 22nd Jul 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 12:14 PM

Hello Roger,

My 7k has 2 blanks in the firmware version menu. If I go within the menu there are 3 letters with a number: A, 1.00; B, 1.00; and L, 1.02. Below these is Done and OK. All the manual covers is where to go to view the current firmware. Two questions - 1) Any idea what they refer to? 2) Should new firmware be arriving, how do you get it and install? Thanks.

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RRRoger

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Thu 09-Dec-10 12:35 PM

>Hello Roger,
>
>My 7k has 2 blanks in the firmware version menu. If I go
>within the menu there are 3 letters with a number: A, 1.00; B,
>1.00; and L, 1.02. Below these is Done and OK. All the
>manual covers is where to go to view the current firmware.
>Two questions - 1) Any idea what they refer to? 2) Should new
>firmware be arriving, how do you get it and install? Thanks.
>
>John
>
>
When new firmware is available, I am sure a notice will be posted in this forum by someone immediately.

Those numbers have to do with the current firmware numbering.
Sometimes only one of them is changed by revision, usually all.
An instruction sheet comes with the new firmware.

It is always best to back up the old firmware to your computer.
Because each revision effects the operation of the camera in unforeseen ways, there is often a new firmware update right after a release by any company.

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#4. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 3

Gamecocks Registered since 22nd Jul 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 12:52 PM

Roger,

Thanks for the info. As you can tell, I'm new to the technical stuff and one more question - How do you backup firmware to the computer?
Again, thanks for your assistance and have a great day.

John

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RRRoger

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Thu 09-Dec-10 01:17 PM

>Roger,
>
>Thanks for the info. As you can tell, I'm new to the
>technical stuff and one more question - How do you backup
>firmware to the computer?
>Again, thanks for your assistance and have a great day.
>
>John
>
I am stumped. My D7000 will not let me back it up either.
Normally Firmware version has a copy function to the flash card.
Perhaps you have to plug into your computer
or download a copy from Nikon and put that on your card?

I will work this out when I get home tonight as I want to backup my entire setup.

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briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Thu 09-Dec-10 01:30 PM

I think many of the improvements you list would require more than a firmware update, Roger

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Thu 09-Dec-10 01:39 PM | edited Thu 09-Dec-10 01:40 PM by RRRoger

>I think many of the improvements you list would require more
>than a firmware update, Roger

Brian,
Which ones do you think are possible with firmware only?
What items would you like to see added?
What hardware updates such as greater buffer or second optional grip would you like?

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#8. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

diogolp Registered since 01st Dec 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 02:54 PM

Is pixel mapping (to deal with hot pixels) something that can be added via firmware?

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#9. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 8

billD80 Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2007
Thu 09-Dec-10 03:21 PM

>Is pixel mapping (to deal with hot pixels) something that can
>be added via firmware?


Maybe, but a "hot" pixel issue is different than the pixels that appear problematic in high ISO video of really dark subject matter.

The way I've heard of folks testing for "hot" pixels is pretty different from most actual shooting requirements. Like leaving the cap on and shooting video in utter blackness...

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Thu 09-Dec-10 03:31 PM | edited Thu 09-Dec-10 04:02 PM by briantilley


>Which ones do you think are possible with firmware only?

I reckon the chances of camera firmware going "open source" is so small that it's not really worth thinking about.

My knowledge of video technology is very limited, so I can't comment on those.

I'd say that 3a, 3b and 3c would need some hardware or circuitry changes. 3d might be possible with a firmware update; it depends how the camera memory is assigned.

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean, number 4 is already possible - check Save/Load Settings on page 244 of the manual.

>What items would you like to see added?
>What hardware updates such as greater buffer or second
>optional grip would you like?

Bear in mind that I'm not using the D7000 myself, but the spec looks pretty good to me as it stands

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#11. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 9

mikycoud Registered since 08th Dec 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 03:37 PM | edited Thu 09-Dec-10 03:40 PM by mikycoud

>>The way I've heard of folks testing for "hot" pixels
>is pretty different from most actual shooting requirements.
>Like leaving the cap on and shooting video in utter
>blackness...

Unfortunately, you don't have to go these extremes to notice the 'hot' pixels. Just do this test:
Film a bright source (TV for instance) in a dimly lit room, then just pan to a darker area. The pixels appear immediately and remain stuck. Going back to the light source makes them disappear, and so on so forth.
I tried it with ISO 400, and it was there, and very obvious. So in fact, it doesn't only appear in high ISO and extreme shooting situations, as Nikon's statement would suggest.

@Brian: Like Roger, I'd like to know why you think some of the request can be added via software only, and why some of them would require a hardware upgrade. Maybe Nikon made some choices based on hardware limitation, maybe they crippled the video mode intentionnaly, or maybe by lack of understanding of the market. Nevertheless, I'm curious to know the technical stuff behind it all.


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#12. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

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Thu 09-Dec-10 04:00 PM

I'd like to see all of the video suggestions added!

I don't know of any others as I don't own the camera yet!

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omarwiseman Registered since 08th Oct 2010
Thu 09-Dec-10 04:39 PM | edited Thu 09-Dec-10 04:40 PM by omarwiseman

>>Is pixel mapping (to deal with hot pixels) something that
>can
>>be added via firmware?
>
>
>Maybe, but a "hot" pixel issue is different than the
>pixels that appear problematic in high ISO video of really
>dark subject matter.
>
>The way I've heard of folks testing for "hot" pixels
>is pretty different from most actual shooting requirements.
>Like leaving the cap on and shooting video in utter
>blackness...

My hot pixels were easy to find - two were always present in LV and at the same 2 locations on the video. Stills had two problematic spots at different locations from the LV but always the same locations in each of the affected stills. Sent copies of all to Nikon and requested a fix. They said send camera in for evaluation.

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#14. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009
Thu 09-Dec-10 05:04 PM

I would like to see AF-on add as a reassign option for the function/preview button.

I guess I can get use to it, but the way I hold my camera my pinky falls almost naturally by the preview button whereas the AF/AE button has an odd stretch feeling to it and I often miss it.

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JHCIII Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Aug 2007
Thu 09-Dec-10 11:47 PM

Is it possible that the firmware could change the braketing? Would love to be able to bracket more than 3 exposures!

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#16. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 15

UrbanXC Registered since 19th Nov 2010
Fri 10-Dec-10 06:58 PM

I read in the December 2010 issue of the IEEE Spectrum magazine about the Canon Hack Development Kit (CHDK). It's a programming tool whereby a user can create scripts (saved on the camera's memory card) to access the hardware directly in the camera. Pretty interesting stuff! See http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK

Has anybody seen a similar program for the D7000, or actually, any of the Nikon DSLR cameras?

This would have the potential to address some of the firmware updates desired by users but not yet implemented by Nikon.

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
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There is non canon firmware for the 5D2 called MagicLantern.
I believe is has to stay on the card and cannot permanently swap with the factory firmware.

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#18. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 15

lemieszek Registered since 03rd Dec 2010
Fri 10-Dec-10 08:59 PM

>Is it possible that the firmware could change the braketing?
>Would love to be able to bracket more than 3 exposures!

ditto that. my problem isn't so much with the amount of exposures possible as with the range you can get. but 5 exposures with 1 EV between them or 3 exposures with 2 EV between them would be of great help for HDR. one-click for a burst of all exposures would be nice too (though I'm not sure it isn't possible right now).

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#19. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 18

Mike Buckley Registered since 22nd Aug 2010
Sat 11-Dec-10 10:33 AM

>3 exposures with 2 EV
>between them would be of great help for HDR. one-click for a
>burst of all exposures would be nice too (though I'm not sure
>it isn't possible right now).

Both are already possible.

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Mike Buckley Registered since 22nd Aug 2010
Sat 11-Dec-10 10:38 AM

>c. Allow Auto ISO in manual shooting mode

Page 111 of the manual: "In mode M, the camera will first use auto ISO sensitivity control to bring exposure as close as possible to the optimum and then bracket this exposure by varying shutter speed."

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#21. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 19

lemieszek Registered since 03rd Dec 2010
Sat 11-Dec-10 09:29 PM

>>3 exposures with 2 EV
>>between them would be of great help for HDR. one-click for
>a
>>burst of all exposures would be nice too (though I'm not
>sure
>>it isn't possible right now).
>
>Both are already possible.
>

really? I suspect the burst bracketing is possible through custom buttons, but isn't bracketing limited to 1 EV steps?

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Sat 11-Dec-10 10:14 PM

>...but isn't bracketing limited to 1 EV steps?

Check page 110 in the D7000 manual. The bracketing increment can go from 1/3 stop to 2 stops.

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#23. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 20

wmarson Registered since 17th Nov 2010
Sat 11-Dec-10 11:17 PM

Hi. Any ideas when Nikon will release the first firmware update for the D7000?

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ricphoto Registered since 29th Aug 2006
Sun 12-Dec-10 12:41 AM

The previous video requests are good...

I'd like to add remote start and stop for video

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Sun 12-Dec-10 02:11 AM | edited Sun 12-Dec-10 11:41 AM by RRRoger

>The previous video requests are good...
>
>I'd like to add remote start and stop for video
>
>...Ric

That would be great!

But, I wonder if a new remote would have to be developed in order to do that?

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lemieszek Registered since 03rd Dec 2010
Sun 12-Dec-10 06:37 AM

>>...but isn't bracketing limited to 1 EV steps?
>
>Check page 110 in the D7000 manual. The bracketing increment
>can go from 1/3 stop to 2 stops.


oops!

thanks. that's embarrassing. I don't know why I was so sure you couldn't go up to 2EV that I didn't even try to turn the dial further than 1EV.

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lemieszek Registered since 03rd Dec 2010
Sun 12-Dec-10 09:12 AM

>>3 exposures with 2 EV
>>between them would be of great help for HDR. one-click for
>a
>>burst of all exposures would be nice too (though I'm not
>sure
>>it isn't possible right now).
>
>Both are already possible.
>

unless I'm missing something, the bracketing burst isn't exactly one click. it takes assigning it to a customizable button and then holding both down (custom btn and shutter) for the whole time...?

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Mike Buckley Registered since 22nd Aug 2010
Sun 12-Dec-10 06:25 PM

>unless I'm missing something, the bracketing burst isn't
>exactly one click. it takes assigning it to a customizable
>button and then holding both down (custom btn and shutter) for
>the whole time...?

You're correct. Thanks for catching my mistake. It's not like shooting RAW+JPEG when releasing the shutter once automatically generates multiple image files.

In addition to assigning bracketing to a customizable button, you can simply make it one of your settings. If you do the latter, you only need to release the shutter; you don't need to hold down another button while you release the shutter.

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OpticalSerenity Registered since 23rd Oct 2006
Sun 12-Dec-10 07:51 PM | edited Mon 13-Dec-10 05:05 AM by OpticalSerenity

UPDATE: I was just confused about how I was trying to import video into iMovie, the D7000 files play perfectly in iMovie '11.

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Mike Buckley Registered since 22nd Aug 2010
Mon 13-Dec-10 01:13 PM | edited Mon 13-Dec-10 01:18 PM by Mike Buckley

>>unless I'm missing something, the bracketing burst isn't
>>exactly one click. it takes assigning it to a
>customizable
>>button and then holding both down (custom btn and shutter)
>for
>>the whole time...?
>
>You're correct. Thanks for catching my mistake. It's not like
>shooting RAW+JPEG when releasing the shutter once
>automatically generates multiple image files.
>

I have to correct my own post. Check out page 230 of the manual: "If the Fn button is pressed while exposure, flash or ADL bracketing is active in single frame or quiet shutter-release mode, all shots in the current bracketing program will be taken each time the shutter-release button is pressed."

I interpret that to mean that pressing the shutter release once in that situation captures all bracketed images.

I haven't tested it. If it doesn't work that way, the wording should be changed to be that the next sequential setting in the current bracketing program will be taken each time the shutter-release button is pressed.

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009
Mon 13-Dec-10 01:45 PM

>>>unless I'm missing something, the bracketing burst
>isn't
>>>exactly one click. it takes assigning it to a
>>customizable
>>>button and then holding both down (custom btn and
>shutter)
>>for
>>>the whole time...?
>>
>"If the Fn button is pressed while exposure,
>flash or ADL bracketing is active in single frame or quiet
>shutter-release mode, all shots in the current bracketing
>program will be taken each time the shutter-release button is
>pressed."
>
>I interpret that to mean that pressing the shutter release
>once in that situation captures all bracketed images.

There appears to be three methods of one-click bracket bursts.

To take a single press of a complete bracket sequence there are two ways.

In single frame mode it takes setting the Fn or Preview button to the Bracket Burst setting and holding that button while pressing the shutter.

In continous mode you press and hold the shutter button and it will fire off and stop after the full sequence is captured.

A third option is using continous mode and the FN/Preview button option. While having bracketing active while in continous mode and holding down the Fn/Preview button and holding the shutter button down the bracketing sequence will repeat continuously until the shutter is released.

The manual in my opinion is rather confusing to read on this option.

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#32. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 29

kwaldron Registered since 01st Dec 2010
Mon 13-Dec-10 06:42 PM

If, as has been written elsewhere the D7K has a tendency to back focus (which I have seen in my own pictures) and overexpose bright scenes I would like to see both issues dealt with.
Yes, we can adjust for the lens but why should we have to if this is a consistent issue?
On the second point at least allow for permanently adjusting exposure within a range of illumination.
Both can be addressed through the firmware.
I too would like to see more bracketed exposures for HDR (at least 5). Again doable in the firmware.
And another vote for live histograms and possibly zebras. How could this have been missed in a camera in this price range?

And since it's Christmas I'll make one more request. An option on the histogram to show the full curve including outside the normal exposure range so we can see how wide we need to bracket for HDR.

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Len Shepherd Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Mar 2003
Tue 14-Dec-10 08:13 AM

>If, as has been written elsewhere the D7K has a tendency to back focus (which I have seen in my own pictures) and
>overexpose bright scenes I would like to see both issues dealt with.
Cameras do not have a "tendency to back focus" - they either back focus with all lenses or they do not back focus.
Any new AF system is a bit of an AF target learning curve in that it nails and also fails some AF targets the opposite way round to some older AF systems.
Similar the Matrix metering is new - whether Nikon will adjust it or not is up to Nikon.
Going back to the F6 it had very different AF and matrix to F100/F5 - but within 3 rolls of film I had learned the changes.

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Tue 14-Dec-10 12:20 PM

I think the overly bright or sometimes overexposed pictures we sometimes get in default settings
are the price we pay for Nikon's aggressive High ISO push.
Good news is there are lots of adjustments available for this.

I've been cruising the DVinfo forum and this is what they seem to want most in new firmware:

1. Better live HDMI output.
2. Multiple 1080P frame rates (24, 25,and 30).

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#35. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 32

mikycoud Registered since 08th Dec 2010
Tue 14-Dec-10 01:06 PM


>And since it's Christmas I'll make one more request. An
>option on the histogram to show the full curve including
>outside the normal exposure range so we can see how wide we
>need to bracket for HDR.
>

That's such a good idea!
However, I wonder if it's technically possible, as I gather the histogram is created from the data sent by the sensor, and hence is limited to the sensor DR.
I mean, if the sensor had enough DR to show you the whole scene histogram, then the need for HDR would be much less...
I'm just guessing here, and I'd love to be proved wrong...

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briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Tue 14-Dec-10 02:09 PM

>However, I wonder if it's technically possible, as I gather
>the histogram is created from the data sent by the sensor, and
>hence is limited to the sensor DR.

I think this idea would require the camera to combine the brightness data from multiple "bracketed" shots so that it could display the result in a single histogram. A bit like an "HDR preview" feature

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kwaldron Registered since 01st Dec 2010
Tue 14-Dec-10 02:11 PM

>
>>And since it's Christmas I'll make one more request. An
>>option on the histogram to show the full curve including
>>outside the normal exposure range so we can see how wide
>we
>>need to bracket for HDR.
>>
>
>That's such a good idea!
>However, I wonder if it's technically possible, as I gather
>the histogram is created from the data sent by the sensor, and
>hence is limited to the sensor DR.
>I mean, if the sensor had enough DR to show you the whole
>scene histogram, then the need for HDR would be much less...
>I'm just guessing here, and I'd love to be proved wrong...

I don't know the details of exactly how a real-time histogram is implemented but I imagine the exposure is measured at the selected ISO. If I'm right then having the exposure measured say two stops above and below in real-time would be possible by altering the ISO (or calculation) dynamically to develop and display the curve.

Frankly, right now, I'd just be happy with a real-time histogram.

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elec164 Silver Member Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009
Tue 14-Dec-10 03:18 PM | edited Tue 14-Dec-10 03:52 PM by elec164

>However, I wonder if it's technically possible, as I gather
>the histogram is created from the data sent by the sensor, and
>hence is limited to the sensor DR.

Presently the histogram on the preview screen is representative of the embedded JPEG. As such it depicts a lower DNR then the sensor is capable of capturing. This often leads to the misleading statements made by many such as “you can recover 2 stops of exposure”. A full explanation would constitute severe thread drift, but short story is that the histogram represents the tone curve and gamma correction which remaps the linear sensor data to a non-linear color image taking the 13.7 stops of EV and compressing it down to the 6 stops of the LCD display. Clipping therefore could be the result of image processing and sharpening and not actual sensor saturation. If the clipping is due to processing and you chimp and reduce exposure based on the blinkies and/or histogram, you will be lowering the DNR ability of the sensor and reducing the noise performance.

To this end a whole genre of people formed who use a UNI-WB. That group would like to see a histogram of the actual sensor site RGB data to know when a site is actually saturating rather than seeing the result of a channel clipping which is due to processing.

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#39. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 33

output555 Silver Member Nikonian since 29th Aug 2008
Wed 15-Dec-10 10:26 AM | edited Wed 15-Dec-10 10:27 AM by output555

>Any new AF system is a bit of an AF target learning curve in
>that it nails and also fails some AF targets the opposite way
>round to some older AF systems.
>Similar the Matrix metering is new - whether Nikon will adjust
>it or not is up to Nikon.

Not sure I understand your meaning here, Len. A camera either gets autofocus right, or it doesn't. If something is indicated as in-focus in the viewfinder, then it better darn be in-focus when it's recorded on the SD card. Same with auto-metering. It either reads the scene correctly for exposure, or it doesn't--user error, not with standing. A camera that tends to overexpose is flawed and needs to be fixed. I don't see any learning curve in that other than the user would need to compensate for the manufacturer's design flaw.

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#40. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 39

briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Wed 15-Dec-10 12:58 PM

>Not sure I understand your meaning here, Len. A camera either
>gets autofocus right, or it doesn't. If something is indicated
>as in-focus in the viewfinder, then it better darn be in-focus
>when it's recorded on the SD card.

Unfortunately, until we have technology that magically knows exactly which part of the subject the photographer wants to be in sharp focus, we will have to rely on the logic built in to the camera's AF processor, and learn how each system reads different types of subject. It has been the same each time a new and distinct AF system has been introduced (F5, D200, D2, D300/D3...), and the D7000 is no different.

>Same with auto-metering. It either reads the scene correctly for
>exposure, or it doesn't--user error, not with standing. A camera
>that tends to overexpose is flawed and needs to be fixed.

Again, there is no single "correct" exposure for any given scene. Any camera metering system is a compromise - though increasingly a very intelligent one - and it will stay that way until we have sensors and firmware that allow us to record the whole dynamic range of any scene. The D7000 might give slightly different readings compared with another camera in some lighting conditions, so the user just needs to learn how it will react.

My D300 and D700 will expose some scenes slightly differently from the D200 and D2Xs that preceded them (and occasionally, slightly differently from each other...), but that doesn't mean that any of them have been faulty - they are just different

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#41. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

DrBrett Silver Member Nikonian since 23rd Apr 2006
Thu 16-Dec-10 08:01 PM

I'll add my vote for bracketing of 5 images at least.

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#42. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 41

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Sun 29-May-11 12:04 PM

I noticed that firmware 1.02 has disappeared from the Nikon USA website.
Perhaps they are going to redo it or update to 1.03?
I sure wish they would update the Video to 1080i at 30fps.
If they did, I would sell my D5100 and upgrade to two D7000 bodies.

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#43. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 42

briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Sun 29-May-11 12:18 PM | edited Sun 29-May-11 12:20 PM by briantilley

>I noticed that firmware 1.02 has disappeared from the Nikon
>USA website.

???

D7000 Firmware 1.02 can be found as normal on the Nikon USA Support website here. It's also still available on the Nikon EU Support site.

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Sun 29-May-11 11:25 PM

Thanks Brian

My search results were unusually poor.

I just wish they would update the firmware again to release more of the attainable potential of the D7000.

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#45. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 44

jadiniz Registered since 25th Dec 2010
Mon 30-May-11 09:29 AM

1- more assignable options for Fn and preview buttons;
2- 100% magnification at the press of a button when viewing a picture;
3- 5-shot bracketing
4- a custom-menu option for selecting ISO with the cursor keys in shooting mode, instead of selecting focus point.

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#46. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 45

jckingca Registered since 16th Dec 2010
Tue 13-Dec-11 10:16 AM

Would love the AF Fine Tune Adjust to eliminate Lens ID conflict as described in the following threads.

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=157&topic_id=40076&mesg_id=40076&page=

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=157&topic_id=35643

From my limited understanding the current situation could be rectified in firmware by reading additional data from the lens chip to identify the lens properly.

I love my D7000 in spite of this shortcoming.

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#47. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 46

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Tue 03-Jan-12 01:38 PM | edited Tue 03-Jan-12 01:41 PM by RRRoger

Check this out:
http://nikonhacker.com

I know Nikon monitors forums but why don't we all ask them directly for the firmware improvements we need?

Click this link:
http://support.nikonusa.com/app/utils/login_form/redirect/ask

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#48. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 15

wmcy Gold Member Nikonian since 20th Aug 2006
Wed 04-Jan-12 01:27 AM

>Is it possible that the firmware could change the braketing?
>Would love to be able to bracket more than 3 exposures!


One more for this option. Loved the 9 shot bracketing in the D700.

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waxart Registered since 16th Jan 2008
Wed 04-Jan-12 02:26 PM

>Is it possible that the firmware could change the braketing?
>Would love to be able to bracket more than 3 exposures!

Me too!

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#50. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 38

waxart Registered since 16th Jan 2008
Wed 04-Jan-12 02:37 PM

>Presently the histogram on the preview screen is
>representative of the embedded JPEG. As such it depicts a
>lower DNR then the sensor is capable of capturing.

Yes, I find the histogram very misleading. I frequently find that images which showed blinkies on the LCD have absolutely no clipping in RAW. But, naturally, it's guesswork and often leads to me re-shooting 'just in case'.

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michalaase Gold Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 08th Apr 2011
Thu 05-Jan-12 11:48 AM | edited Thu 05-Jan-12 11:56 AM by michalaase

My wishlist:

*] Focus bracketing (if possible)
For example:
   1) The user does an initial focus (A or M),
   2) Focus bracketing "screen" with the following selections:
      a] How "long" steps (mm)
      b] How many steps (n) totally
   3) The camera calculates and takes n/2 shots in front of and n/2 shots behind the initial focus point

It would be even more useful if one could select HOW the focus points would be calculated, i.e. "all in front" of the initial FP, "all in back" or "half before and half behind" - just like the expose bracketing where you can select HOW the bracketing should be done.

*] 5-step exposure brackering (at least)

*] "Live" histogram when using Lv

*] A 100% zoom Fn button (assignable ?) when using Lv

*] Remote start/stop for video

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#52. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

RLDubbya Silver Member Nikonian since 24th Dec 2011
Sat 07-Jan-12 07:07 PM

Mine's really basic: if the camera controls a function, record that setting in the EXIF data. For example, with an SB700, etc., the camera can adjust white balance when you place a Nikon colored "gel" on the flashhead. Let's record in the EXIF data what colored gel, or diffuser, etc., was in use.

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gesie Registered since 24th Dec 2011
Thu 12-Jan-12 09:53 AM

I think that many of the suggestions will require more than firmware upgrades and are therefore unlikely to occur. The following suggestions should, however, not be too difficult to implement:

1 Make the NCSETUP7.BIN file visible when connecting the camera to the computer by means of a USB cable. This will elliminate the need to use the memory card to transfer the file to the computer.

2 Provide for more than one NCSETUP7.BIN file on the memory card, each with a descriptive name (such as WEDDINGS.BIN). It would then be relative easy to select between different sets of settings.

3 Rather than suggestion 2, it would be preferably if provision could have been made for more than two user settings (selected by means of U1 and U2). A setup menu could then be used to indicate the user setting would be loaded when either U1 or U2 is selected.

4 The format of the NCSETUP7.BIN file should be published to allow software developers to develop software for the management of settings saved in the file.

Christo

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#54. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

tekneektom Gold Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Winner in the Annual Nikonians Best Images Contest 2015 Nikonian since 18th Nov 2011
Thu 12-Jan-12 12:07 PM

Bracketing:
1. Allow for 5 exposures in S, CL or CH modes.
2. Allow user to set bracketing variables i.e. vary number of under or over exposures - for instance 3 under, 1 EV, 1 over or 2 under, 1 EV, 2 over, etc.

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#55. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 54

rlecocq Registered since 14th Jan 2008
Thu 12-Jan-12 02:13 PM

>Bracketing:
>1. Allow for 5 exposures in S, CL or CH modes.
>2. Allow user to set bracketing variables i.e. vary number of
>under or over exposures - for instance 3 under, 1 EV, 1 over
>or 2 under, 1 EV, 2 over, etc.
>
>


^ +1 ^

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#56. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

CozmoeD Registered since 23rd Dec 2011
Sat 14-Jan-12 12:23 AM

Seems pretty stable just the way it is, Maybe just make sure that a lll the reported bugs are fixed.

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#57. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 55

billr814 Registered since 04th Dec 2011
Thu 19-Jan-12 12:16 AM

what is the latest firmware number?

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#58. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

rb6879 Registered since 23rd Dec 2011
Fri 20-Jan-12 01:16 AM

Expand the C5 (Remote duration on) time frame beyond 15 minutes. Unlimited would be preferable. If I want to chance running my battery down (or whatever the logic was behind the 15 minute ceiling) that's my business.

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#59. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 57

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Fri 20-Jan-12 01:26 AM | edited Fri 20-Jan-12 01:30 AM by dm1dave

It appears to be ....A: 1.0.2 / B:1.03


Here is the link to the Nikon USA page > D7000 firmware: A: 1.0.2 / B:1.03 upgrade

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#60. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 0

amalalin Gold Member Nikonian since 12th Sep 2008
Sat 21-Jan-12 03:50 PM

Probably not possible as a fix, however, if possible, I would prefer the remote mode also allow me to snap photo directly from the camera. I don't like being locked out of my options.

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Vlad_IT Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011
Mon 05-Mar-12 04:03 AM

After experementing today for a whole day and analyzing several hundreds images I have something to ask Nikon:

1. I want and I need Customer Setting D11 to be more than one second. On perfect support, 1 second is should be enough, but on my bogen 3021, which is should be more than sufficient for 90mm macro lens, I need like two seconds to stabilize the image. Tested in Live view mode with full digital magnification by hitting on the lens as Neil suggested in support forum. Mirror myght not have the same force as i put on the lens, but for some reason on D800 Nikon made this time user selectable from 1 to 3 seconds. It is really no big deal for Nikon to implement this in D7000 firmware upgrade.
It can be overcame in MUp mode for single shot, but not in tethered mode, when I programmed my notebook to take several focus stacking images in auto mode.

... In some cases, when flash is used, i would make this time even longer to make shure flash has enough time to recharge...



2. I would like in Live View/tethered in manual mode shutter speed to be adjustable slower than 1/30s. I have a feeling this limitation is due to video recording shutter speed limitation. But Stills should not suffer from that.


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#62. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 52

Vlad_IT Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011
Mon 05-Mar-12 05:03 PM

>Mine's really basic: if the camera controls a function,
>record that setting in the EXIF data. For example, with an
>SB700, etc., the camera can adjust white balance when you
>place a Nikon colored "gel" on the flashhead. Let's
>record in the EXIF data what colored gel, or diffuser, etc.,
>was in use.

Actually this feature suppose to work on D7000, but it doesn't.


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Vlad

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#63. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 61

KnightPhoto Gold Member Nikonian since 18th Dec 2006
Wed 07-Mar-12 12:00 PM

Vlad,

the tethered focus bracketing (i.e. the shooting as input to a focus stacking workflow) you are doing for macro - did you program that yourself or are you using some commercial product available to achieve that?

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#64. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 63

Vlad_IT Silver Member Nikonian since 21st Sep 2011
Wed 07-Mar-12 01:53 PM | edited Thu 08-Mar-12 01:39 AM by Vlad_IT

>Vlad,
>
>the tethered focus bracketing (i.e. the shooting as input to a
>focus stacking workflow) you are doing for macro - did you
>program that yourself or are you using some commercial product
>available to achieve that?
>
>Best regards, SteveK

Steve,

I bought ControlMyNikon ver.3.0 few days back for $20 (up from $10, but still on sale). I did evaluation/trial of ver. 2.9 and it worked well on my 18-200 VR for close-ups. I like the program, a lot of nice features. They mentioned it reliably works with Nikkor lenses only and they cannot guaranty full capability to other 3-rd party lenses. On one of the tutorial videos (they have plenty of video tutorials on their website) they mentioned that on some Sigma lenses only some features are working fine, and nowhere anything is mentiond about Tamron lenses. I bought a Tamron 90mm macro and put it through the test few days back with very favorite results. Here is the link to my post (#8):

https://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=169&topic_id=46700&mesg_id=46700&page=

Best part they have tones of features to control your camera and Speedlight just from your desktop (most On camera controls are disabled, when tethered, so you change some settings from your computer), you can shoot in RAW or whatever you prefer and program saves the pictures to a folder on your computer, not on your flash card in the camera (Nikon limitation), but the program can copy images for you from computer on your in-camera flash card.

I import set of images in LR and apply Lens Corrections and some other global adjustments and open images as a layers in PS for further processing/Stacking/panoramas etc.


Best regards,
Vlad

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#65. "RE: What do you want in the D7000 firmware updated?" | In response to Reply # 64

mjhach Gold Member Nikonian since 17th Dec 2010
Thu 08-Mar-12 01:27 AM

I installed this today and will probably buy, at $20USD. Can see an application when you want a larger that 1 audience, say a photo shoot at a function, graduation, birthday. In fact I have one coming up in June which I will definitly use this function. Thanks for the tip.

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