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Upgrade Body to D7000

newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Tue 05-Feb-13 03:46 PM | edited Tue 05-Feb-13 05:55 PM by newfoundlander61

I have been using a D50 with the 80-400vr lense for  bird
photography but what to get  another body that will give me
less digital noise. The D7000 is one I have been considering.
Price is good but would like to know how it will perform with
the 80-400vr lense. Any comments or suggestions are most
welcome.

Paul
Kingston, Ontario

Rassie

Milton, CA
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#1. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 0

Rassie Gold Member Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Tue 05-Feb-13 04:22 PM

The D50, if memory serves me correctly, has a 6 MP sensor. The D7000 has a 16 MP sensor. That means the D7000 has lots more resolution, and that means you can crop a D7000 picture more and still retain enough to make a print when compared to a D50.

So with the same lens you will be able to make larger prints, or crop more while still getting the same size print as with the D50. Mechanically the D7000 has a lot more features and is just a more capable camera. So how will it perform with the same lens? Better, I believe. Everything where the D7000 will outperform the D50, though, has nothing to do with the lens - it has everything to do with a better, higher pixel sensor that is less noisy and has higher dynamic range.

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luckyphoto

Port Charlotte, US
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#2. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 0

luckyphoto Silver Member Nikonian since 27th Dec 2010
Tue 05-Feb-13 06:16 PM

The D7000 has a 1.1 stop noise advantage over the D50. The CMOS sensor is also a nice step up in IQ. Dynamic range is 3.1 stops better than the D50.

If anything, the D7000 will really test the resolution of the 80-400mm lens.

One word of caution with the D7000. If you're going to use it with that lens, it would be best to use a tripod. The D7000 is more motion sensitive than the D50 because of the density of the sensor. With a D50 you can hand-hold the camera with a shutter speed of 1/focal length of the lens. With the D7ooo you have to use a faster shutter speed or a tripod so the formula for hand-held shots is 1/(1.5 x focal length of the lens).

That means that a hand-held photo with the 400mm lens would need to be at a minimum of 1/400th with the D50 and 1/600th minimum with the D7000.

You'll really enjoy the upgrade.

Larry

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....and which is an illusion"

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newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#3. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 2

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Tue 05-Feb-13 06:32 PM

Thanks you both for the informative info. Due to me doing alot of hiking/walking I much prefer the hand held setup to a Tripod. Maybe a different body is in order.

mudman2

Jamison, US
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#4. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 3

mudman2 Silver Member Nikonian since 14th May 2009
Tue 05-Feb-13 06:58 PM

I have used the 7000 with the 80-400, great results hand held

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Asgard

East Frisia, DE
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#5. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 0

Asgard Administrator He is your Chief Guardian Angel at the Helpdesk and knows a lot about a lot Nikonian since 07th Apr 2004
Tue 05-Feb-13 07:09 PM

The D7000 is actuell one of the best Nikon Camera.

It's a big step forward to the D50.

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newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#6. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 5

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Wed 06-Feb-13 10:44 PM

Tried out a D7000 this evening at my local camera shop. Feels really nice in my hands and I find the menus easy to follow and setup. What a difference in FPS compared to my D50. Looks like I will be buying one tomorrow on payday.

labtrout

Bristol, US
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#7. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 6

labtrout Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his constant sharing of his skills and continuous comments of encouragement in the Nikonians spirit. Nikonian since 09th Aug 2011
Thu 07-Feb-13 08:20 PM

Your decision to move from the D50 to the D7000 is exactly the one I made about a year ago, and I couldn't be happier. I don't have the 80-400mm but I do handhold the 70-300mm VR with no problems. I think you will find the D7000 is a great step up.

Also, I agree with all the points Rassie made.

newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#8. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 7

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Fri 08-Feb-13 09:20 PM

Well got snowed in today so didn't make it over to the camera shop. Checked online and just noticed the D7000 body new dropped from $899.00 to $829.00, this may be as low as it will go so I think I better jump on it.

torwood

Jefferson Hills, US
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#9. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 8

torwood Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Dec 2010
Sat 09-Feb-13 01:28 AM

I have a D50, D90, and D7000. The D50 was my first DSLR, which I used for five years, and still use today. It's a great camera. But,...the D7000 is to a D50 what a 2013 60" flat screen TV is to a 25" 1970 tube TV. So many orders of magnitude better as to be incomparable.

The D50 is noisy at it's highest ISO (1600). I regularly shoot basketball images at ISO 4000 on my D7000 that look better than anything I could get from the D50 at ISO 1600. The D7000 shoots 6FPS vs 2.5 FPS on the D50. The D7000 sensor has far greater dynamic range and far better cropping ability. The D7000 has a great, accurate, 3" LCD. The D50 has a useless dinky little LCD that shows inaccurate colors. The D7000 has custom setting modes on the dial, and the ability to use two SD cards. The D50 cannot use cards above a certain size (Don't remember but I think it might be 2GB?), and it holds only one card. The D7000 also has more control buttons, minimizing the need to use menus.

The good: the D7000 controls are laid out similarly, and take almost no transition time from a D50/D70/D90.

The bad: As stated above, the D7000 resolution takes a lot of learning curve (and mine was from the 10MP D90). 16 MP is MUCH less forgiving of bad focusing technique and slow/inaccurate focusing lenses than a D50. Expect to pull some hair out making the transition, or adapt your technique quickly.

But, the D7000 is a better camera that will make you a better photographer if you learn to use it.

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newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#10. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 9

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Sat 09-Feb-13 10:02 AM

"The bad: As stated above, the D7000 resolution takes a lot of learning curve (and mine was from the 10MP D90). 16 MP is MUCH less forgiving of bad focusing technique and slow/inaccurate focusing lenses than a D50. Expect to pull some hair out making the transition, or adapt your technique quickly."

Great post back, much appreciated. Good to know the last part so I will give myself some time to read the manual and shoot shoot shoot until I get the hand of it. Thanks again.

Paul

newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#11. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 10

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Sun 10-Feb-13 10:47 AM | edited Sun 10-Feb-13 10:52 AM by newfoundlander61

One last post on this, I promise

The main lense for birding is the 80-400vr, so its important that the new body does work well with this lense and isn't difficult to focus on say flight shots or moving objects. Is the the D7000, to big of a leap from a used D50. Maybe a different model like the D90 would be better for a learning curve and working with my main lense?

RRRoger

Monterey Bay, US
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#12. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 11

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Sun 10-Feb-13 01:07 PM | edited Sun 10-Feb-13 01:46 PM by RRRoger

>One last post on this, I promise
>
>The main lens for birding is the 80-400vr, so its important
>that the new body does work well with this lens and isn't
>difficult to focus on say flight shots or moving objects. Is
>the the D7000, to big of a leap from a used D50. Maybe a
>different model like the D90 would be better for a learning
>curve and working with my main lens?<Quote<<<


The D90 is a very good camera.
Go for a used D7000, it is better than the D90 in every way,
including Higher ISO and image quality.
The higher resolution will help when you crop your birds.
Or wait for the D7100.


Raise your shutter speed and work on your hand holding technique.
When you first get it, try using a MonoPod (makes a good walking stick).

The 80-400 works really well on the D7000.
Consider an 28-300 as it works even better.
Also consider a 300mm f4 with TC II 1.7x.

Actually the D7000 is not less forgiving,
Higher resolution just shows user error mo beta.

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kstrongs

St. Thomas, CA
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#13. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 11

kstrongs Registered since 04th Oct 2011
Sun 10-Feb-13 05:26 PM

>One last post on this, I promise
>
>The main lense for birding is the 80-400vr, so its important
>that the new body does work well with this lense and isn't
>difficult to focus on say flight shots or moving objects. Is
>the the D7000, to big of a leap from a used D50. Maybe a
>different model like the D90 would be better for a learning
>curve and working with my main lense?
I use the D7k with the 80-400vr lens. The battery of the D7k drives the focus on the 80-400 lens. Even with this combination the battery still lasts for more than a 1000 shots.
The 80-400 is a slow focusing lens and therefor you need to be ahead of it. I have found the combination to be very good for Aviation but
not sure about hand held for birds but would focus faster than a D90 or D50. On the tripod, I get shots of the moon that I could not get very well before the D7k with the 80-400.

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newfoundlander61

Kingston, CA
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#14. "RE: Upgrade Body to D7000" | In response to Reply # 13

newfoundlander61 Registered since 03rd Feb 2013
Sun 10-Feb-13 05:30 PM

Good explanations from you both. Decision made, D7000. End of this post.

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