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Andy47

Albuquerque, US
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Andy47 Registered since 20th Aug 2011
Mon 07-Nov-11 09:58 PM

I'm very happy with my new SB700, except . . . When I connect the SB700 to the camera with the SC-28 cord, the camera's built-in flash will not fire simultaneously with the SB700. Can this be fixed or am I stuck buying another flash?

I have already learned that the camera will only serve in commander mode when the SB700 is on the hotshoe, which means Nikon expects you to have two SB700s (or better yet, an SB900 & a 700) in order to have remote firing. Is a slave flash that fires in response to the main flash (less expensive than another SB700) a good option?

After years of fooling with photography, I'm determined to master (well, at least conquer my incompetence regarding) off-camera lighting using a flash. Thanks.

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Leonard62

Pa, US
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#1. "RE: D5100 and SB700" | In response to Reply # 0

Leonard62 Gold Member Awarded for excellent contributions and sharing his in-depth knowledge and experience with the community, especially of Nikkor Lenses Writer Ribbon awarded for his contributions to the Nikonians Resources articles library Nikonian since 15th Mar 2009
Mon 07-Nov-11 10:26 PM

Hello Andy,

You just discovered one of the limitations of the D40/60/3100/5100 bodies. The built in flash can't be used as a flash commander. The D90/300/700 bodies can. So you need either the SU-800 or one of the flashes that can be used as the master. Of the current models that's the SB900/800/700. The SB400 cannot be used as a master flash.

As far as using the SC-28 goes, that's not a good fit. The cord end pushes the pop-up flash half way closed.

Len


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MEMcD

US
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#2. "RE: D5100 and SB700" | In response to Reply # 0

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Tue 08-Nov-11 03:09 AM

Hi Andy,

>I'm very happy with my new SB700, except . . . When I connect
>the SB700 to the camera with the SC-28 cord, the camera's
>built-in flash will not fire simultaneously with the SB700.
>Can this be fixed or am I stuck buying another flash?

There is nothing to fix. The built in Speedlight was designed to not work when there is a Speedlight in the hotshoe or attached via an SC-17, SC-28, or SC-29 TTL extension cord.

>I have already learned that the camera will only serve in
>commander mode when the SB700 is on the hotshoe, which means
>Nikon expects you to have two SB700s (or better yet, an SB900
>& a 700) in order to have remote firing.

The D5100 camera can not provide Commander mode because Commander mode is not incorporated into the built in Speedlight. Since Commander mode is built into the SB-700, when the SB-700 is in your D5100's hotshoe, the SB-700 provides Commander capability.
If you want to take advantage of Commander mode and i-TTL wireless flash control you will need an: SB-600, SB-700, SB-800, or SB-900 as a remote.

>Is a slave flash
>that fires in response to the main flash (less expensive than
>another SB700) a good option?

You will have to use Manual flash control on all Speedlights and Manual exposure control on your camera.
You can use the built in Speedlight (in Manual flash mode) to trigger your remote SB-700 (set in SU-4 mode (see page B-20 of the SB-700 Users Manual). Again you will have to have the camera in Manual exposure mode and set the aperture based on the flash to subject distance.

>After years of fooling with photography, I'm determined to
>master (well, at least conquer my incompetence regarding)
>off-camera lighting using a flash. Thanks.

Practice makes perfect.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

Andy47

Albuquerque, US
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#3. "RE: D5100 and SB700" | In response to Reply # 2

Andy47 Registered since 20th Aug 2011
Tue 08-Nov-11 04:10 PM

Thanks for the great info.

I'd already discovered that little glitch of the built-in popping up with the SC-28.

So if I understand correctly, to use the P mode on the camera, I've got to have two speedlights (excluding the SB400). But if I use the M mode, another model that responds to the flash will work.

I guess if I'm going to go to the trouble of setting up a second light source, I should know how to use the M mode. I better get practicing.

Thanks again.

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MEMcD

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#4. "RE: D5100 and SB700" | In response to Reply # 3

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Wed 09-Nov-11 12:24 AM

Hi Andy,

>So if I understand correctly, to use the P mode on the
>camera, I've got to have two speedlights (excluding the
>SB400).

Using a single Speedlight (Built in Speedlight, SB-400, SB-600, SB-700, SB-800, or SB-900) you can take advantage of i-TTL flash control in All exposure modes (P, S, A, & M).

When using multiple Speedlights (SB-700, SB-800, SB-900 or SU-800 in Commander mode and one or more SB-600, SB-700, SB-800, and/or SB-900 Speedlights in Remote mode) you can take advantage of wireless i-TTL flash control in All exposure modes (P, S, A, & M). Commander mode will also allow you to use wirelessly use Manual flash mode (controlling the power of up to three groups of remote Speedlights from the Commander unit) with the camera in Manual exposure mode.

>But if I use the M mode, another model that responds
>to the flash will work.

Yes. As I wrote above, you can set the built in Speedlight to Manual flash mode and use your SB-700 as a Remote in SU-4 (optical slave) mode with the camera set in Manual exposure mode. You can use the trial & error method to adjust the exposure using the histogram.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!


Best Regards,
Marty

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