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k12123

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k12123 Registered since 27th Jun 2011
Fri 08-Jul-11 06:18 AM

Which one has better image quality? The price is so close to each other.

blw

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#1. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 0

blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004
Fri 08-Jul-11 10:26 AM

The D5100, although in practice the difference is unlikely to be exploited by most. If I took 50 pictures, 25 with each camera and made 16x24 prints and put them on the table, I seriously doubt you'd score more than about 50% if you were to try to sort them by which camera they came from. And that's even assuming that they used the same lens.

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#2. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 1

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Fri 08-Jul-11 11:53 AM | edited Fri 08-Jul-11 11:58 AM by RRRoger

The sensor and AF system are better on the D5100, and the Video is way better too.

However, the D90 sensor is much more forgiving of user error.
The images are more than "good enough".
The layout and controls are better making it easier to use.
You can also get a used D90 for cheaper yet.

How are you going to use the camera?
Do you nearly always use a TriPod?

I choose the lighter body of the D5100 for hiking and articulating LCD for HD 1080 video at 30fps.
Most of the time it sits on a TriPod.
I have never even put my Black Rapid strap on mine yet.

I suggest you go to the camera store and get "hands on" before deciding.

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Crow68

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#3. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 1

Crow68 Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Fri 08-Jul-11 03:25 PM

Hi there,

I was having this same debate....and I've read enough over the past month to completely confuse myself to the point of insanity!

I have found, at a decent price of $1100, a Nikon 5100 kit that includes the 2 below lenses:

-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR Lens
-Nikkor 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR Lens

But... from if I've understood what I've read, I don't think either of those lenses would work for shooting gymnastics competitions (my kid)where the lighting is ####.

What do you think?

(Yes, I'm kind of a newbie - my last SLR was a Nikon N90(?) and I haven't touched it since 1997.)

k12123

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#4. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 3

k12123 Registered since 26th Jun 2011
Fri 08-Jul-11 04:48 PM

I think I'll stick with my D5100. Besides photography, I also enjoy film making. So far I've been very pleased with the results. I've been using it with the 50mm 1.8 and the images were very sharp. My dad's friend has a D90 and I compared my images with his and the sharpness was about the same, I couldn't tell the difference.

And as for gymnastic, the 55-300mm would be fine if the room is well lit. However, you might wanna shell out for a 70-200mm 2.8 because the 55-300 isn't exactly a fast lens.

RRRoger

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#5. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 3

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Fri 08-Jul-11 04:55 PM

>Hi there,
>
>-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR Lens
>-Nikkor 55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR Lens
>
>But... from if I've understood what I've read, I don't think
>either of those lenses would work for shooting gymnastics
>competitions (my kid)where the lighting is ####.
>
>What do you think?
>
With a D90, no way. I had a real hard time pushing the ISO to high.
The D5100 is better at Auto ISO 6400 than the D90 at 1600 so it is possible.
Really depends on the lighting.
I would pick up an AF-S 35 or 50mm Nikkor just in case and also for Video.

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Crow68

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#6. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 5

Crow68 Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Fri 08-Jul-11 06:33 PM

Thanks for your advice!

The lighting in the gyms, which are usually converted warehouse spaces, is just awful.

I've Googled myself silly trying to figure out what I need just to become more confused...until I found the most obvious place to ask.

Thanks again and I look forward to pestering you soon!

Darklordenron

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#7. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 6

Darklordenron Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Sat 09-Jul-11 10:28 AM

Yea, my vote goes to the 5100 hands down.
The d90 is nice and all, but it has been around the block a bit. The 5100 just comes with niceties like that articulating screen (amazong for shooting video of bands above the crowds) and I do really like where the buttons are after getting used to it a bit. The image sensor is the same or at least on par with the D7000 I've been told, so you're getting quality either way. I almost went with a D90, but decided that I wanted newer tech and more features in my entry camera instead of only picture quality. Honestly, at entry level you'd be fine with either but if you want better video and low light performance, the 5100 can't really be beat by anything right now.

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#8. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 3

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sun 10-Jul-11 03:55 PM

Hi Lynette,

Welcome to Nikonians!
As you know the lighting at most Gymnastic competitions is very poor. More so for photography. You will need a fast lens to get a shutter speed fast enough to freeze the movement of the Gymnast. You would be better served getting the D5100 with the kit 18-55mm and adding a 70-200mm f/2.8.
The least expensive 70-200mm f/2.8 is the Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 DI LD (IF) $769.00. You can save a little more by purchasing a used lens, though you must make sure that it has an AF motor built into the lens to provide AF on the D5100.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

RRRoger

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RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Sun 10-Jul-11 05:42 PM


>The least expensive 70-200mm f/2.8 is the Tamron 70-200mm
>f/2.8 DI LD (IF) $769.00.

The Sigma 70-200 HSM was about that, but I noticed that they have gone up a couple hundred dollars.

I prefer a used AF-S Nikkor 80-200 myself.

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#10. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 9

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sun 10-Jul-11 10:27 PM

Hi Roger,

Yep! The Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 DG Macro HSM II is selling for $949.00.
I haven't seen a used Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED IF AF-S selling for under $1000.00 in any condition.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

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#11. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 10

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Mon 11-Jul-11 01:06 AM

Good old Nikkor Glass has been going up in value.
I sold my original one to get a second 70-200 for about $800
I bought my second mint one for $900.
All my used Sigmas went down in price except for the 120-300 and 300-800.

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Crow68

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#12. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 11

Crow68 Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Mon 11-Jul-11 11:17 AM

Hi again,

What about: Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D Lens

During competitions, I can usually get pretty close to at least 2 events.

Can I get away with that?

RRRoger

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#13. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 12

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Mon 11-Jul-11 12:05 PM

>Hi again,
>
>What about: Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D Lens
>
>During competitions, I can usually get pretty close to at
>least 2 events.
>
>Can I get away with that?

Yes, if you know how to manually focus properly with the D5100.
The D90 will AF, but 1600 ISO might be pushing the limit.
You will be able to use a faster shutter speed to your advantage at that low f stop.
There will be a very shallow DOF at f/1.8

I would buy a used AF-S 80-200 or 70-200 f/2.8 used.
Either lens will be useful for lots of image capturing opportunities.

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#14. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 12

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Tue 12-Jul-11 12:20 AM

Hi Lynette,

The AF 85mm f/1.8D has a screwdriver AF mechanism that requires a camera with an AF motor built into the body. The D40, D40X, D60, D3000, D5000, D3100, and D5100 do not have AF motors built into the camera body. For AF operation the these bodies require lenses that have built in AF motors (AF-S, HSM, BIM, etc..) so your only option is Manual focus.
The new 50mm f/1.8G AF-S is less expensive than the AF 85mm f/1.8D and will AF on the D5100.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

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#15. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 14

Crow68 Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Mon 18-Jul-11 11:55 AM

Thank you again, everyone!

I took the leap and purchased the 5100 and it came with two lenses:
Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR Lens
Nikkor 55-300mm f/4.5 - 5.6G ED VR Lens

And I also purchased:

Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG

That was the best my budget could do, wish me luck!

~Lynette

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#16. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 15

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Wed 20-Jul-11 11:27 AM

The Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM looks like a good choice.
Let us know how well it works for you.

I've tried a bunch of other "Nifty Fifties" and got rid of all of them.
The 35mm f/1.8 focal length works much better for me.

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#17. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 16

Crow68 Registered since 08th Jul 2011
Tue 09-Aug-11 12:19 PM

Just a quick update...

After taking about 600 shots in the gym, I'm almost a complete failure!
The only lens that gets any decent results is the Sigma, but I kind of knew that would happen.

I will upload some later and I look forward to getting yelled at


I will also be saving my change for a 70-200 2.8....

jafhoy

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#18. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 7

jafhoy Registered since 20th Aug 2011
Sat 20-Aug-11 11:07 PM

I would have to agree with you on that. D5100 gets my vote as well. Image quality is indeed comparable to or even better than D7000's and D90's. I have mine mostly with a Nikkor 50mm 1.8 (just because I like to push myself hehe). I am really happy with it, images come out sharp and crisp.

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#19. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 17

blw Moderator Awarded for his high level of expertise in various areas Nikonian since 18th Jun 2004
Sun 21-Aug-11 11:36 AM

> I'm almost a complete failure!

My advice is not to take this too personally. You've described what we lovingly call a "light dungeon" and sports in a light dungeon simply is technically demanding. Very often what is regarded by the Internet Wisdom as impossible is in reality very possible and sometimes not even so hard. But in this case, you've got physics working against you.

Upload a couple of the bad ones and we can discuss, but I'd guess that the simple matter is that there's not enough light, and only the fast lenses (regardless of price) will do the job. It's not a new sheet of music to those of us that do a lot of sports.

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#20. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 15

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sun 21-Aug-11 02:10 PM

Hi Lynette,

The Sigma 50mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM is the best fast AF 50mm lens available in a Nikon mount. Good decision.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

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#21. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 17

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sun 21-Aug-11 02:22 PM

Hi Lynette,

As Brian wrote above, post a few well exposed sample images with the Exif data intact and we see how poor the ambient light level is.
If the 50mm f/1.4 is only producing decent images, the ambient light level may be significantl worse than the normal "Light Dungeon" Gym lighting. From the Exif data we can extrapolate the settings required for a good exposure and if even the 70-200mm f/2.8 will be fast enough for the ambient light in your gym.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

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#22. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 20

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Sun 21-Aug-11 06:17 PM

Today I found a new reason to choose the D5100
It fell off my TriPod and bounced up about one foot from the Asphalt.
This Lightweight Plastic camera is very tough.
Not even a scratch.
I shot over two hours of Video after this
"Took a lickin and kept on tickin"

Try that with your "Pro" magnesium bodies.

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#23. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 22

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Sun 21-Aug-11 07:22 PM | edited Sun 21-Aug-11 07:23 PM by briantilley


It's good to hear that your camera didn't get damaged, but I struggle with the idea that a D5100 might be more resistant to bumps than a typical "pro" body. And I'm pretty confident there is no appreciable difference in durability between a D5100 and a D90 - which was the original topic.

For interest, the only time I've had something similar happen was an F100 with a 70-300mm G Nikkor (yes - the cheap plastic one... don't ask!), when I dropped them from waist height onto solid concrete. Apart from one tiny scratch on the baseplate, the F100 was fine. The lens was a write-off, with a bent mount and inoperative zoom ring

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RRRoger

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#24. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 23

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Tue 23-Aug-11 07:15 AM

>
>It's good to hear that your camera didn't get damaged, but I
>struggle with the idea that a D5100 might be more
>resistant to bumps than a typical "pro" body. And
>I'm pretty confident there is no appreciable difference in
>durability between a D5100 and a D90 - which was the original
>topic.
>
Frankly, I was so surprised that I just had to share with somebody.
I would not expect any camera to escape unscathed.
The last time I dropped a camera (10 years ago) it was in a bag.
The Kodak LCD turned into an "etch a sketch".

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#26. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 24

gfetters Registered since 12th Sep 2011
Tue 13-Sep-11 12:16 PM

>>
>>It's good to hear that your camera didn't get damaged, but
>I
>>struggle with the idea that a D5100 might be more
>>resistant to bumps than a typical "pro" body.
>And
>>I'm pretty confident there is no appreciable difference
>in
>>durability between a D5100 and a D90 - which was the
>original
>>topic.
>>
>Frankly, I was so surprised that I just had to share with
>somebody.
>I would not expect any camera to escape unscathed.
>The last time I dropped a camera (10 years ago) it was in a
>bag.
> The Kodak LCD turned into an "etch a sketch".
>
Thats good to hear. I just got a d5100 and I haven't field tested it yet. Good to know it can take it.

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#27. "RE: D5100 or D90?" | In response to Reply # 26

RRRoger Silver Member Fellow Ribbon awarded for his long history of demonstrated excellence and helping other members with equipment, technique and DSLR video in the true Nikonians spirit. Charter Member
Tue 13-Sep-11 01:07 PM

Two good reasons why my D5100 escaped unscathed from the fall.
1. Body and kit lens were very light weight.
2. Apparently it landed on the tripod adapter.

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thomGrinberg Registered since 26th Sep 2011
Mon 26-Sep-11 05:33 PM

Hi,
as owner of both camera's i highly recommend the new D5100 Camera!
the new sensor is amazing for law light conditions and its much smaller...
only problem for me is that it doesn't contain AFS engine...
please visit my blog for more information Nikon D5100 including D90 vs D5100 post...

hope you'll like it,
Thom

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