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Question about continuous shooting

glxman

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Sun 03-Jun-12 12:50 PM | edited Sun 03-Jun-12 01:10 PM by glxman

Hi Guys,
Been reassessing my settings for BIF and shooting the grandson's football training

At present I have the following settings regarding AF,
a1 AF-C - Focus
a3 Dynamic AF area -9 points
a4 Focus tracking with lock-on - short
a5 AF activation AF-ON only
a8 11 points

Am I still on the right track?
I have made many changes along the way but the keeper rate is still not high enough I think?

Regards,
Gary

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Pouncer

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#1. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 0

Pouncer Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Sun 03-Jun-12 01:03 PM

What is the problem with the rejects? Why do you think the keeper rate is not high enough? Are you sure it is a focus issue? What about shutter speed and DOF? What lens are you using?

For action photos my bank has a1 set to release (not focus), a3 on 21 points (instead of 9), and a8 on 51 points. I have auto ISO set with a shutter speed minimum of 1/400, shooting in aperture priority mode.

Garrett

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glxman

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#2. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 1

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Sun 03-Jun-12 09:38 PM

Tks Garret,
I missed the obvious,
Yesterday was a very cold with light rain and low light,
Looking through the images, yes the shutter-speed was too low

I will have a go at auto ISO, have not tried that before

The reason for my apprehension is that some previous shoots with high ISO ran into a higher dynamic range and results were poor

More practice with Auto ISO I guess
Regards,
Gary

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glxman

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#3. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 1

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Mon 04-Jun-12 03:19 AM

Hi Garrett,
A couple more for you,
Forgot in my last post, was using an AF-S 300 f4,
Lastly,
>For action photos my bank has a1 set to release (not focus),

This is one option I have not fully understood,
I have always thought that even if I have set the AF-ON only option, and set a1 to release, I would get more images OOF?

What is the theory behind your setting?
Regards,
Gary

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#4. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 2

KenLPhotos Gold Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2009
Mon 04-Jun-12 10:12 AM

>>I will have a go at auto ISO, have not tried that before

I set my Auto-ISO to 3200 years ago and have never turned it off.

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#5. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 2

KenLPhotos Gold Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2009
Mon 04-Jun-12 10:12 AM

>>I will have a go at auto ISO, have not tried that before

I set my Auto-ISO to 3200 years ago and have never turned it off.

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glxman

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#9. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 8

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Mon 04-Jun-12 11:27 AM

>>>I will have a go at auto ISO, have not tried that
>before
>
>I set my Auto-ISO to 3200 years ago and have never turned it
>off.

Hi Ken,
I've had success with high ISO up to around 3200 but got caught out during a country pageant one day, high dynamic range came in the afternoon and lost most of my images, since then I use higher ISO with caution, although the high ISO should go back with the increased light guess
Did a test today and worked a treat, (cold rainy grey day!), might do some more research with some local BIF
Regards,
Gary

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Pouncer

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#10. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 3

Pouncer Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Mon 04-Jun-12 03:57 PM

Using release instead of focus is somewhat of a gamble. There is a good chance you will get some out of focus images. I can live with that.

For me it started as a necessity because my daughter's indoor karate tests had so little light and contrast that I was missing shots waiting for the focus to lock. Since I knew that most photos would be taken at a similar distance I changed the setting to release instead. The trade off was missing some shots as being out of focus, but at least the shutter was firing. If you have enough DOF, you can miss focus by a bit and still be okay.

Outdoors I've found focusing to be fast enough in most all situations that I rarely miss shots from lack of focus (unless I lose track of the subject). I also shoot in bursts of 3 to 5 frames at a time. So even if the first shot is not in good focus, the later shots in the burst usually are in focus.

If you can track your subject well using AF-On, and keep your subject in focus, it should not matter if you have a1 set to focus. Nor will it matter if a1 is set to release.

My theory is that if I am shooting action photos (sports, wildlife, etc.) I want the shutter to fire when I press the button, period. If I have time to ensure focus is locked, that's fine. I will wait and be patient in taking shots. But if not, any shot is better than no shot. I'd rather have a chance at getting "the" action shot rather than missing it altogether if the focus isn't dialed in to the camera's liking.

Garrett

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#11. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 9

Pouncer Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Mon 04-Jun-12 04:02 PM

Definitely shoot at as low an ISO as possible, but sometimes you have no choice but to ramp up the ISO to maintain an acceptable shutter speed. At my daughter's karate tests I was frequently shooting at f/1.8, 1/400, ISO in the Hi ranges. Shooting at a lower shutter speed resulted in too much motion blur for the photos to be anywhere near acceptable. With auto ISO you have to keep an eye on your aperture (I use aperture priority) to make sure you're not forcing the ISO up more than necessary if you can open up another stop or two.

Garrett

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glxman

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#12. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 10

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Mon 04-Jun-12 09:34 PM

Tks Garrett,
Much appreciated,

I think the biggest option to get my head around was the following setting combination,
AF-ON only and with a1 - release

I see it as if I had,
AF-ON only with a1 - focus, there would be no difference than the above settings as the shutter button does not focus when the camera is set AF-ON only

I know this "old timer" is missing something here

Regards,
Gary

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Pouncer

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#13. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 12

Pouncer Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Tue 05-Jun-12 12:30 AM

Two different functions. I use the AF-On button only to focus. The shutter button does not focus. Focus is different from the shutter release.

Setting a1 is the shutter release. It tells the camera whether to take a photo even if focus is not locked on (release), or requires focus to be acquired first (focus). It does not matter whether focus is by AF-On or the shutter button (or manually for that matter). This setting asks whether focus is locked in, or whether it doesn't matter, before firing the shutter when the shutter button is pushed.

Think about it this way, if you have a1 set to focus then the shutter will not fire until focus is locked and the green dot comes on in the viewfinder. With a1 set to release you will take a shot whenever you hit the shutter button regardless of focus.

Try using both focus and release a1 settings to take an out of focus shot. If your shot is out of focus, and a1 is set to focus, the shutter will not fire. The beauty of digital is that you can try all of the different settings and see the results without the hassle of film.


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glxman

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#14. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 13

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Tue 05-Jun-12 12:42 AM

Much appreciated Garrett,
I think I get the drift now,
Might try both options and look how results stand up
Regards,
Gary

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#15. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 14

Pouncer Silver Member Nikonian since 22nd Jan 2009
Tue 05-Jun-12 12:59 AM

Sounds good. Make sure to try auto ISO with an acceptable minimum shutter speed, too.

With an AF-S lens I doubt that the a1 setting will make much difference in most situations. I noticed the difference when shooting in low light/low contrast situations where the AF sensors struggled, and when using slower screwdriver AF lenses. With an AF-S lens in decent light focus is not the reason for your issues.

If nothing else it's good to know what different functions offer. I've still got a lot of settings to learn myself. Hopefully this discussion will help you see different possibilities. There is no one right way.

Garrett

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glxman

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#18. "RE: Question about continuous shooting" | In response to Reply # 15

glxman Moderator Awarded for his high level skills, specially in Wildlife & Landscape Photography Nikonian since 04th Oct 2008
Tue 05-Jun-12 02:30 AM | edited Tue 05-Jun-12 02:34 AM by glxman

Tks Garrett,
The only reason I have been "conservative" with high ISO in the past is getting caught out with high dynamic range

Have a shoot next month and will try out auto ISO on the grandson's football game

The lens is an AF-S 300 f4, does get slow on dull days, did a few tests yesterday with a low dynamic range and images looked OK

Would be interesting to do a poll on a1 settings combined with AF-ON only, but where to post? Maybe wildlife? As I guess most are shooting D700, D300 or better with similar custom settings and banks
Tks again,
Regards,
Gary

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