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photomia

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photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sat 26-Feb-11 04:37 AM

Hi All,

I am new to Nikonians and I have a question about using a WhiBal card. I have checked the Forums and find that they are all YEARS old! In what forum should this type of question be asked? (For the heck of it, here's the question. I just viewed a number to videos on the WhiBal.com site and was all set to buy the pocket card until the narrator made a comment about the studio card (which I absolutely don't want to tote around!) He said something like - "This card should be used for camera that require the whole frame to be filled, like Nikon. Canon doesn't need the whole frame filled." I shoot with the D700 and would like to know if any of you use the pocket WhiBal card with your D700. Thanks...

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phydock

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#1. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

phydock Silver Member Nikonian since 06th Dec 2005
Sat 26-Feb-11 09:19 AM

Hi,
To answer your question I don't know where to find a WhiBal card, but I do know that an opaque Pringles lid is pretty damn close to the value. I hope this helps a little......Phil

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#2. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

dirtysand Registered since 10th May 2010
Sat 26-Feb-11 10:04 AM

have been using the pocket whibal with my d700 with no problems.

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#3. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

HT Registered since 20th Apr 2008
Sat 26-Feb-11 10:23 AM | edited Sat 26-Feb-11 10:24 AM by HT

I use the business-card sized Whibal on my D700, no worries at all. Others here may well have more knowledge than I do, but when colour is critical for a job (scientific and museum work, for example) I use a Munsell Card...the Whibal is for "less critical" work, having said that its plenty fine for weddings etc.

BTW, although its late and so the memory is not what it could be, but as I recall it the "limitation" of needing a full sized studio Whibal for Nikon is a issue created by Nikons superior colour metering system...

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#4. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 3

bpicinc Registered since 16th Jan 2009
Sat 26-Feb-11 11:08 AM

I use a Lally Cap that fits over any lens up to 86mm.
Works great for me.

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#5. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

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Sat 26-Feb-11 03:52 PM

Do you find that Auto WB or a WB setting of your choice is inaccurate much of the time? I find that with the D3/D700 class of bodies I no longer need to ever use a WhiBal card (or any other WB calibration). A studio setting might be different.

Also, do you shoot RAW or JPG?

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photomia

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#6. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 5

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sat 26-Feb-11 04:04 PM

Hi John,

I do feel that the Auto WB and a WB setting are inaccurate. My biggest issue is trying to figure out the correct settings for the twilight timeframe. Often I shoot in the early morning, post sunset times in Annapolis and find the many different light sources very confusing - ambient, tungston, sodium vapor, etc.

I shoot in RAW.

Back to WB. If you have used it in the past, can you tell me if this is what I am supposed to do? I photograph the card, photograph the scene (making sure they are in the same lighting situation), do nothing to the WB settings in camera, and make my corrections PP. Is this correct?

(I don't use CNX and I am going to set up the trial version as soon as I get back from a trip to Cabo. I didn't want to go to CNX because I didn't want to stray from the comfort zone of Photoshop, but I am becoming convinced of the advantages of CNX.)


Thanks...

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#7. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 6

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sat 26-Feb-11 04:12 PM

HI again, John,

I guess my fingers were working faster than my brain, because in rereading I discovered I wasn't clear in a couple of areas.

First paragraph - "Often I shoot in the early morning AND post sunset times..."

And in the "Back to WB" paragraph, I meant to say "If you have used the WhiBal card in the past...

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#8. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 6

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sat 26-Feb-11 08:57 PM

Hi Patricia,

>I do feel that the Auto WB and a WB setting are inaccurate.
>My biggest issue is trying to figure out the correct settings
>for the twilight timeframe. Often I shoot in the early
>morning, post sunset times in Annapolis and find the many
>different light sources very confusing - ambient, tungston,
>sodium vapor, etc.

With mixed light scources it is usually best to use a custom WB instead of one of the listed WB settings in the camera menu.

>Back to WB. If you have used it in the past, can you tell me
>if this is what I am supposed to do? I photograph the card,
>photograph the scene (making sure they are in the same
>lighting situation), do nothing to the WB settings in camera,
>and make my corrections PP. Is this correct?

Using an image or white point in PP is one way of setting a custom WB.
You can also use the "pre" set WB function with a white card, gray card, ExpoDisc, or other whitr balancing tool to set a custom WB in the camera.
I use an ExpoDisc because it is very accurate and is small and easy to pack in my bag or pocket.

>(I don't use CNX and I am going to set up the trial version as
>soon as I get back from a trip to Cabo. I didn't want to go
>to CNX because I didn't want to stray from the comfort zone of
>Photoshop, but I am becoming convinced of the advantages of
>CNX.)

Both are very capable imagimg software. The advantage of using Nikon NX2 is it will read and apply all of the in camera settings which you can easily modify in the software if you like.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

Drbee

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#9. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

Drbee Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Aug 2004
Sat 26-Feb-11 10:27 PM | edited Sun 27-Feb-11 01:56 AM by Drbee

Hi Patricia,

I use the smallest WhilBal with all my cameras, including a D700. I get the same great results regardless of camera.

I also keep a sizable piece of a white T-shirt stuffed in the bottom of my camera bag. Most of the time it's padding, but for difficult lighting conditions, it comes out and is used to generate a custom white balance that may be used for only a few images. It's just very handy to have.

Best Regards,
Roger

JonK

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JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife, Landscape and Stage Photography Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2004
Sun 27-Feb-11 12:19 AM

Patricia, I find WB at twilight to be variable; many times an image deserves the extra twilight warmth rather than a more accurate WB. Twilight is not a time that I would use a WhiBal. But that's me.

Regarding PP software: I have used Photoshop since, well, before it was called Photoshop. In addition to my photography hobby, I use Photoshop daily at work. For RAW conversion, I prefer NX, but I can get the same result with both.

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gtm

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#11. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 6

gtm Silver Member Nikonian since 17th Feb 2002
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:10 AM

I carry both the business card sized WhiBal card and the ExpoDisc. I like and use them both.

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photomia

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#12. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 10

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:20 AM

Thanks, Jon

So - when shooting at twilight do you recommend Auto WB?

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#13. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 2

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:21 AM

Do you spot meter? Do you fill up the entire frame?

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#14. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 8

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:24 AM

So, even when using the "pre" set WB I still need something like ExpoDisc or the WhiBal card - correct? Having never tried this, do I then set the custom WB with a K number. It's late now, but I plan to try this out tomorrow. Thanks ...

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#15. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 10

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:25 AM

Thank you everyone!!

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#16. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 12

Drbee Silver Member Nikonian since 05th Aug 2004
Sun 27-Feb-11 03:51 AM

It depends on the look you want. If you want the camera's interpretation of twilight, then no - don't use a WB correction. If you use a WB correction, the results will look like you took the image under "daylight" white balance. This is good if you want to do accurate reproductions of say museum art - but if you want to convey mood, then you will have to decide on the "lighting mood" to reproduce.

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#17. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 14

MEMcD Moderator In depth knowledge in various areas Nikonian since 24th Dec 2007
Sun 27-Feb-11 04:58 AM

Hi Patricia,

Yes, you will need a White balance card, Expodisc, or other White Balance tool.
To pre-set the WB:
1. Push the WB button on top of the camera and rotate the command dial until "pre" is displayed.
2. Lay out your White Card or Place the ExpoDisc on the lens.
3. Set the camera in Program exposure mode.
4. Press the WB button again until "pre" starts flashing in the top LCD display.
5. Shoot the WB card or if you are using an ExpoDisc aim the lens from your subjects position to your shooting position or towards the lights.
6. Press the Shutter Release button.
7. "Good" should flash in the top LCD display. If "no Gd" is displayed go back to step 4.
8. Remove the ExpoDisc or put your White Card away and set your camera back to Manual exposure mode or what ever mode you plan on shooting and fire away. See pages 143-154 in the D700 Users Manual.
Good Luck and Enjoy your Nikons!

Best Regards,
Marty

decarrion

nijkerk, NL
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#18. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 17

decarrion Silver Member Nikonian since 12th Feb 2009
Sun 27-Feb-11 09:30 AM

i like the wb card. i use the intermediate size. The expodisc is too "warm" to my liking. this said all is for the neutral rendering. you might use a white wall to get a quick reading. AWB doesn't work for me.
Sunsets and other dominant lighted things are different

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#19. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 13

dirtysand Registered since 10th May 2010
Sun 27-Feb-11 10:09 AM

i use spot meter for the whibal card. you don't have to fill up the entire frame.

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#20. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 15

McDanglers Registered since 12th Feb 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 11:39 AM

Gee wiz this starts to get complicated.Does a general fall off happen after so many shots, and then starts to decline and needs to be re-set as described previously ? Or is this for special occasions such as sunsets or inside museums etc.etc.
So far I have not carried out this ritual, so maybe I am a poor Nikon user !

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#21. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 0

JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife, Landscape and Stage Photography Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 03rd Jul 2004
Sun 27-Feb-11 04:13 PM

This discussion reinforces one workflow: shoot RAW. Then you can decide on the WB hours or days later — and change your mind again and again…

And if you think twilight WB is tricky, try some sunsets. I've never shot a sunset that I couldn't process three different ways…

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#22. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 16

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 05:15 PM

Keeping in mind the "lighting mood" really makes sense. Thanks...

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#23. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 17

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 05:17 PM

Thanks, Marty! I'll check out pages 143-154, but your clear, concise directions will make it an easier read!

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#24. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 21

photomia Registered since 15th Jan 2011
Sun 27-Feb-11 10:51 PM

Point taken...

Thanks for taking the time to give your thoughts.

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#25. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 21

McDanglers Registered since 12th Feb 2011
Mon 28-Feb-11 08:02 AM

Thanks for your veiled warning !However I can not shoot in RAW as I suffer with advanced glaucoma, and am not allowed to spend very much time in front of a computer, so everything I take has to be near the mark, with no manipulations.
Again thanks for your imput.

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#26. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 21

McDanglers Registered since 12th Feb 2011
Mon 28-Feb-11 08:02 AM

Thanks for your veiled warning !However I can not shoot in RAW as I suffer with advanced glaucoma, and am not allowed to spend very much time in front of a computer, so everything I take has to be near the mark, with no manipulations.
Again thanks for your imput.

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#27. "RE: WhiBal card" | In response to Reply # 26

dirtysand Registered since 10th May 2010
Mon 28-Feb-11 11:15 AM

computer use will not have any effect on glaucoma.

G