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Trouble with colors

Goldstar

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Goldstar Registered since 06th Aug 2007
Fri 17-Jul-09 04:20 PM

Hi,
I have had my D700 for just two weeks. When trying to photograph
flowers in sunlight the deep red comes out as pale red. This with
white balance on 'Auto' although I have tried other settings including 'sunlight'. This is jpeg..fine..Large.

Any help would be appreciated.

Robert

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hwdx347

Maumelle, US
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#1. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

hwdx347 Basic Member
Fri 17-Jul-09 03:05 PM

Try increasing the Saturation.

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lofling

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#2. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

lofling Registered since 18th Jun 2008
Fri 17-Jul-09 05:30 PM

Use a WB card to set WB.

But it might not be necessary. However, I would shoot RAW.

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BillCoughlin

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#3. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

BillCoughlin Registered since 12th Nov 2008
Sat 18-Jul-09 12:45 AM

Hi Robert - if you shoot JPG you can always increase saturation as was mentioned, however, if you'd really like control shoot RAW and use Vivid picture control, and convert with NX2 (other converters will ignore the picture control). There are a lot of controls with the D700 - experiment and have fun.
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ylwdog

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#4. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

ylwdog Registered since 08th Jun 2009
Sat 18-Jul-09 01:02 AM

Try a comparison test. Shoot in Raw and Jpg Fine and see what you get between the two.
My thought is that if you are shooting in direct sunlight the colors are probably reflected more pale to the camera and the D700 is interpreting the image. If I am not mistaken we see in 16 stops of light, where cameras only see 6 or 7 stops. This allows for more shades and shadows.

HTH,

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Travjohn

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#5. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

Travjohn Gold Member Nikonian since 06th Nov 2005
Sat 18-Jul-09 04:47 AM

Also check your histogram to make sure you're not blowing out the red channel.

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Just Clickin

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#6. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

Just Clickin Gold Member Nikonian since 25th Jun 2009
Sat 18-Jul-09 04:00 PM

>Hi,
>I have had my D700 for just two weeks. When trying to
>photograph
>flowers in sunlight the deep red comes out as pale red. This
>with
>white balance on 'Auto' although I have tried other settings
>including 'sunlight'. This is jpeg..fine..Large.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Robert


The D700 will slightly "desaturate" when WB is set to Auto. Try using a specific WB setting or use a grey card.

Tom

briantilley

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#7. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 6

briantilley Gold Member Deep knowledge of bodies and lens; high level photography skills Donor Ribbon awarded for his support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 26th Jan 2003
Sat 18-Jul-09 04:34 PM

Welcome to Nikonians, Tom!

>The D700 will slightly "desaturate" when WB is set to Auto.

I've not seen that suggested elsewhere - do you have more details?

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lofling

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#8. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 7

lofling Registered since 18th Jun 2008
Sat 18-Jul-09 04:59 PM

>Welcome to Nikonians, Tom!
>
>>The D700 will slightly "desaturate" when WB is
>set to Auto.
>
>I've not seen that suggested elsewhere - do you have more
>details?

Exactly my thought!

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agitater

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#9. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

agitater Gold Member Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2014 Nikonian since 18th Jan 2007
Sun 19-Jul-09 11:53 AM

Sounds like you're blowing out the Red channel somewhat. Someone else suggested checking the RGB histogram for the shot(s), which is a great idea. It will tell you whether or not you've blown out the red channel in the shot.

An alternative approach is to shoot using spot metering to get the right setting for the red flowers (or for the color of any other flower you're shooting). If the photo and RGB histogram still appear to be somewhat blown out when you chimp, use a little eV (-0.3 to start?) to dial things back a bit and reshoot.

eV compensation control is our friend.

Personally, I think that when you're tightly framing flowers, spot metering off the biggest petal on the main subject often helps nail the best exposure.

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lofling

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#10. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 9

lofling Registered since 18th Jun 2008
Sun 19-Jul-09 02:06 PM

Howard's advice is good. I'd like to emphasize what Doug recommended. Try shooting RAW and jpg to see if there is a difference.

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robsb

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#11. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

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Sun 19-Jul-09 03:48 PM

I am going to make a guess here that you have a mismatch in Color Space here. What color space do you have set in your camera and what is the color space set on your computer. If you have set Adobe RGB in the camera and are viewing in sRGB on the computer you image will look washed out.

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Goldstar

Darmstadt, DE
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#12. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 11

Goldstar Registered since 06th Aug 2007
Sun 19-Jul-09 05:53 PM

Many many thanks to all of you who have taken the trouble to answer my query. I shall take all your suggestions on board and try them out.
I shall report back later...

Regards,

Robert

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edoruan

New York, US
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#13. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 12

edoruan Basic Member
Sun 19-Jul-09 07:24 PM

All that is good advice, Robert---but before you do any of it, have you calibrated your monitor? After the monitor is calibrated, I'd try D-Lighting in NX2 and then Auto Color in Photoshop. And you really should be shooting RAW.

Good luck.

Edo

Goldstar

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Goldstar Registered since 06th Aug 2007
Mon 20-Jul-09 06:16 AM

Hi Edo,

I can see the problem on the camera monitor screen. The dark red of the flower comes out as pale red.

I shall wait until it stops raining then get out into the garden and try again.

Robert

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lofling

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#15. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 14

lofling Registered since 18th Jun 2008
Mon 20-Jul-09 12:59 PM

>Hi Edo,
>
>I can see the problem on the camera monitor screen. The dark
>red of the flower comes out as pale red.

The LCD on the camera is not very accurate for evaluating anything.

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Goldstar

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#16. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 15

Goldstar Registered since 06th Aug 2007
Mon 20-Jul-09 02:20 PM

>>Hi Edo,
>>
>>I can see the problem on the camera monitor screen. The
>dark
>>red of the flower comes out as pale red.
>
>The LCD on the camera is not very accurate for evaluating
>anything.

In that case there's not much point in having it.

Robert

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lofling

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#17. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 16

lofling Registered since 18th Jun 2008
Mon 20-Jul-09 02:22 PM

>>>Hi Edo,
>>>
>>>I can see the problem on the camera monitor screen.
>The
>>dark
>>>red of the flower comes out as pale red.
>>
>>The LCD on the camera is not very accurate for evaluating
>>anything.
>
>In that case there's not much point in having it.
>
>Robert

Well, if you see it that way, by all means use it.

The histogram is for starters more accurate. But if you necessarily want to look at a screen, I suggest you look at the pics on a monitor...

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hpbpe

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#18. "RE: Trouble with colors" | In response to Reply # 0

hpbpe Registered since 02nd Jan 2009
Mon 20-Jul-09 06:26 PM

I'm late in the conversation but I've had good luck using a Color rite disc for WB outdoors. I set the WB manually and it works for me.

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