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outsouth

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outsouth Registered since 28th May 2012
Mon 28-May-12 04:15 PM

Hi, I'm new to Nikonians and a new owner of a D5100. I have a question: Can one alter the histogram of a jpeg image in ViewNX2? I can only seem to access the histogram of NEF files.

Thanks for any help on this issue.

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#1. "RE: manipulating histogram of jpegs?" | In response to Reply # 0

gkaiseril Gold Member Nikonian since 28th Oct 2005
Mon 28-May-12 07:47 PM

Jpegs are processed within the camera so there is very little adjustment available in post processing.

NEF or RAW images are just the data as recorded by the sensor and you can manipulate much like the camera settings can but you will have to have some specialized software like Nikon Capture NX2 or Adobe PhotoShop to have a broad range of tools.

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outsouth

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outsouth Registered since 28th May 2012
Mon 28-May-12 08:08 PM

Thanks George, are you familiar with the ViewNX2 Nikon software? My old Canon point and shoot software allowed me to alter the tone and level of jpegs so now I'm trying to learn to do the same with my new Nikon software. Is this possible?

Thanks

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four eighty sparky Registered since 08th Apr 2011
Tue 29-May-12 05:50 PM

>Thanks George, are you familiar with the ViewNX2 Nikon
>software? My old Canon point and shoot software allowed me to
>alter the tone and level of jpegs so now I'm trying to learn
>to do the same with my new Nikon software. Is this possible?
>
>Thanks


NX2 shines best when working with raw image files. JPEGS are, by definition, the 'final' image and have exceedingly little editing ability.

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Tue 29-May-12 10:16 PM

You will need CNX2 to make changes to a JPEG or use Light room, or Photoshop or photoshop elements. In CNX2 you can make all the adjustments except you can't change things like camera settings as they are baked in the JPEG. You will get the most control by shooting RAW. So you can make exposure changes, adjust the histograom, protect highlights and shadows, set black and white points, sharpen, etc. VNX@ will allow you to do some of the things CNX2 can do if you shoot RAW.

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outsouth

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outsouth Registered since 28th May 2012
Wed 30-May-12 06:00 PM

Robsb, George,

Thank you for your informative comments. I will now quit searching fruitlessly for that ability to alter the jpeg in VNX2. I thought it was there and maybe I was just not finding it!

I've been avoiding the RAW and need to start using it today. I often end up wanting to change my white balance anyway and need a RAW image to do so, as you said. Thanks for giving me that push to do what I needed to do!

It's one of the great features of a D5100 afterall, having RAW capability, right?

Thanks!

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PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009
Wed 30-May-12 10:17 PM | edited Wed 30-May-12 10:21 PM by PAStime

Hello,

In ViewNX2 you can adjust brightness, shadows, highlight protection, etc. of a .JPG image and thus modify the tones of the image. These changes will be visible as changes to the image's histogram. These controls are in the Adjustment pane.

I believe there aren't any curves adjustments available when editing JPG files, only when NEF files. This is done via the Picture Control utility.

>JPEGS are, by definition, the 'final' image
>and have exceedingly little editing ability.

I think this is misleading. There is exceedingly a lot you can do with JPGs! And even more with NEFs.

Peter

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Thu 31-May-12 07:45 AM

Peter is correct - you can edit JPEG images in View NX2. Some of the edits are limited to NEF's - like white balance and Picture Control changes - but most work just fine.

If you are viewing and editing a full sized image, you can view the histogram while clicking on the icon.
As Peter indicated, there is no Levels and Curves adjustment to the histogram.
Note that edits to a JPEG are not reversible, so be sure you have saved your original image file. Also when editing JPEG files, try to only save them one time as saving a series of edits and steps can cause image degradation.

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Fri 01-Jun-12 12:04 AM

My Appologies. I don't use View NX2 for edits and the other day when I answered the question, I opened a JPEG in VN2 and tried to see what edits were available. To my surprise, I was not able to change anything and now I know it must have been a glitch as I just opened another JPEG in VNX2 and was able to use most of the edit tools except for WB and Picture controls. So I retract my previous comments. I still stand on the statement that it is better to shoot RAW if it fits your work flow.

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#9. "RE: manipulating histogram of jpegs?" | In response to Reply # 8

PAStime Silver Member Nikonian since 10th Feb 2009
Fri 01-Jun-12 06:31 PM

>To my surprise, I was
>not able to change anything and now I know it must have been a
>glitch as I just opened another JPEG

That Adjustments pane is actually lost among all of the other panes and buttons in ViewNX2. As you say CNX2 is certainly a better option for any kind of editing, JPG or NEF.

Peter

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outsouth Registered since 28th May 2012
Fri 01-Jun-12 10:47 PM

Thanks everyone. It is interesting because I can manipulate levels and tone curve on jpegs in my canon software, but the VNX2 won't do it unless it's RAW.

Sometimes it takes me years to find things on software just by using them so thanks for the discussion everyone.

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chuckji Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Jan 2011
Sun 03-Jun-12 11:26 PM

Couldn't you just use your Canon software with your Nikon shot jpg file then? Since jpg is not proprietary, you should be able to open any jpg with the Canon software.

outsouth

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outsouth Registered since 28th May 2012
Thu 14-Jun-12 08:33 PM

Chuckj,

I did try that right away (maybe because I'm lazy and was already comfortable with my Canon software) but it didn't work.

It's ok, this is all pushing me toward using NEF and photoshop Elements 10 which has all been a good learning experience.

chuckji

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#13. "RE: manipulating histogram of jpegs?" | In response to Reply # 12

chuckji Silver Member Nikonian since 25th Jan 2011
Mon 25-Jun-12 02:36 PM

Interesting. Sometimes this stuff is quite frustrating...
I think you will open up a whole new world by going NEF - I mean that in a GOOD way.

G