Check WTB post . I'm paraphrasing .If someone will sell D3 , buyer is willing to pay the invoice cost and in addition will give his D200 as a bonus.
It's a crazy world. I can't imagine why being the first or one of the first to own a camera is so terribly important. A camera that will be worth half the purchase price in two years or less depending upon what is offered next and how soon. In a way it's very sad.
>>hey guys - If your not interested you don't have to reply. >>Many people are interested in getting one early > >Well to "get one early" all one needs to do is buy one, at >the original price. >Almost everyone has them in stock. Can order directly from >B&H as of this very moment.
Was there every any doubt that these very nice cameras would be readily available ? When I started reading the posts about pre-ordering I was somewhat surprised. Camera shortage ? Gas shortage. Hurricane warnings get milk ,batteries and water. The hysteria to purchase is one amazing thing. I get the feeling there is a merchandising genius lurking in the shadow detail.
A couple of bucks up or down isn't going to make anyone very rich or very poor. The information about availability and price are at everyones fingertips so if the price is right for YOU then pay and enjoy .
>A new Nikkor 12-24mm DX is about the same price as a used >D200. If getting a D3 saves the need for that lens, it's >not so crazy.
On the merits of the facts , A full frame camera may eliminate the need for a 12-24 mm depending on the lenses you already own. However I don't feel this is a cerebral issue . More a yahoo , whoopie, Hurrah , Yippie , whaahoo kind of thing . A real stampeed or undertow depending on your geographical location.
I don't fault either the seller or the buyer . Each to their own. I just don't get it but maybe that's an issue for me.
> >The original post in this forum is totally legit. This is >the "I want to sell" forum, not the "I disagree with the >free enterprise system" forum. > >Luis Gonzalez >Everlasting Photography, Inc.
I do somewhat agree but my personal feelings are, this is like rubbing salt into the wound of not getting one in the first shipment. Not what I would consider being part of the Nikonian family especially the Nikonian Forum Family. But, different strokes for different folks I guess. Live and learn...........
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Luis is correct....The two bottom line are as follows:
1. If your not interested you guys should have kept your mouths shut....No one of forcing anyone to buy the camera period. I really do not appreciate the sabotage....so much the "For Sale" Forum. If you list a used lens or a D200 that one thinks is high....do you have the right to kill any potential sale?
This is not scalping...just refuse to buy. I certainly wouldn't sell to you guys anything at this point.
2. The 2nd body sold.....
The guy was going to South Afica and wanted the camera. WHO the heck are you to question him and his willingness to pay the price I listed.
>This is not scalping...just refuse to buy. I certainly >wouldn't sell to you guys anything at this point.
You're right...I think the correct term is profiteering.
C'mon...you didn't realize you'd get this kind of reaction from a close-knit photo community? You have every right to do that (but shouldn't) and they have every right to let you know what they think about it (but shouldn't in this forum). Its a draw.
The bottom line is....I have the right to sell anything I want for any price and you guys have the right to buy or reject....this is what they call in America a free market!
This forum if for buying and selling - not to b***ch because you didn't get yours yet and not willing to pay a bit more. In the end, the camera cost me $1800 PLUS TX..... Almost $148 by itself.....so who the heck is scalping....certainly not me. So what did this profit come out to??? $52.00 - Am I not entitled to that???
I understand the frustration all of you feel. Really. To be on a pre-order list and then not get it filled, only to see some others getting more cameras than they thought they would and then selling them off. The thought is "that camera should have been mine..."
BUT - this is capitalism at work. This is free enterprise at work. This is not a country that allocates resources based on some higher authorities' idea of who should be able to buy what and when and for how much. My folks left Cuba decades ago because of a system like that...
We also don't know if the two buyers in this case were even on a D300 pre-order list.
I'm not passing any moral judgement one way or another. This is a simple business transaction over a piece of hardware. Jay appears to have done what many people have done - ordered from several vendors thinking that probably only one of them would come through, only to have them all come through and end up with more cameras than they wanted. At which point you are faced with a couple of choices: 1. RMA it back (and eat the shipping to do so) 2. Turn around and sell it, covering your total costs (camera+shipping, plus maybe sales tax, plus paypal fees, etc.). By the time you add all of that up, your close to the $2K jay was asking. A 2-3% markup to account for the labor involved to turn it around sounds reasonable to me. If there is a market/demand for it.
IMHA (in my honest advice), don't get too emotionally involved in a camera body. Enjoy shooting photos with the gear you have right now.
Thanks for understanding....and by the way everyone should add the following as I made a little math error.......
Camera: $1799 Tax(In NY 8.75%): $157.41 Shipping: $24
So...........In the end I made $20 for my time.
True I thought about putting it on ebay...but then with the listing fee's I would have lost money.
Those who doubted me obviously have no morals because they made people think I was ripping them off (they did a disservice to me, potential buyers, and this organization by using the formum for something other than was the actual intent or at the very least are just damn jealous that I got my camera early and they're sucking wind!
That's the kettle calling the pot black, you talking about morals. how about the morals of taking someone's sales ad that was well thought out and original, and stealing keywords and phrases for your own ad. I ask you, is that moral high ground?
Then when I called your hand on it in PM, you say it was only one phrase, when clearly it was more. No need checking now members, because he's already changed at least some of it after I brought it to his attention and he knew he'd been caught. Now if someone reprinted it above, it could be here, no worries now though.
I'll also add that his was only a position of defensiveness, never an apology for using my phrases and structure of my own ad. I did call it to admins attention, and I guess they took no action.
But I can't let you stand here talking about moral high ground to others without making this known. Yes, until this I was never going to post one public sentiment about my ad being cloned and used as a basis for another ad.
Now I am washing my hands of this.
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1) Price policing is not allowed, as stated in the Guidelines.
2) Nikon warranty information is also available in the Guidelines, directly from Nikon. No need to speculate on the subject in this or any other thread.
3) Plagarizing someone else's post is discouraged. Doug (Lex), I got your alert, but took no action as you stated.
4) Jay (abikeride), you should not be surprised at receiving skepticism when trying to sell a new item at or above retail price. And please do not plagiarize anyone's post in the future. I saw the three originals, and they were identical in all respects except price.
4) The team discussed this thread at its inception. To date we do not feel that the sale violates any rules or is otherwise objectionable, although that may change.
5) However, the level of acrimony has increased to unacceptable levels. The attacks are becoming personal. That will stop. A cornerstone of Nikonians is its civil, respectful, and courteous behavior. This is required of all members.
I do not like to make public posts like this, but it's better than sending a dozen or more emails, and I want everyone to be clear on the matter.
Inasmuch as the bodies are now sold, I will now lock this thread.