Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom
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#1. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
Sat 28-Nov-20 10:05 PM | edited Sun 29-Nov-20 12:31 AM by mklassI think it is a good idea, Bob.
The FTZ is essentially a kludge so you can use your f-mount lenses until Nikon makes something in z-mount that is a suitable replacement.
The native lenses maximize the benefit of the Z system, and are generally superior to their f-mount equivalent.
As long as you don't mind the slightly different focal length range and loss of 1 stop of DOF, I think you will find teh 14-30 f/4 S a worthy replacement to your venerable 17-35 f/2.8Mick
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#2. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 1
Sun 29-Nov-20 12:15 AMThanks for your comment Mick. As far as range I am looking for something wider tan 17 mm and don't mind loosing the 5 at the top. Listening my kit is an added advantage. I now have to see what I can get for the 17-35 before I pull the trigger.Bob Baldassano
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#3. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
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#4. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 3
Shy Talk Registered since 12th Jun 2010Sun 29-Nov-20 04:27 PM | edited Sun 29-Nov-20 04:31 PM by Shy TalkWhen I got my Z 7, as a kit including the FTZ and 24-70 f4, the one thing I added was that 14-30.
It really adds to the value of the Z 7!
In my case I was trying to replace my 16-35VR/ D700 combo.
The new gear succeeds in every way.
The detail in shots of close up subjects is amazing- but it was great with the old combo too!
The difference is really if you need to crop hard or zoom in. Then there's no comparison. The size and weight difference is also incomparable!
The old 16-35 distorted a little at the wide end, as you'd expect from a 16mm but the new lens looks 'normal' at 14mm, probably as a result of the in-camera voodoo going on. I like it.
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#5. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 4
Sun 29-Nov-20 11:46 PMDon't know what I will get for the lens but it is mint and has a leather case. I hope to clear at least $500 and maybe more. New ones are selling for more than $1700. If I can clear at least half the cost of the 14-30 that will be fine.Bob Baldassano
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#6. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 3
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#7. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 6
Mon 30-Nov-20 06:54 PMWell, this morning I purchased a Z 14-30 f/4 S lens from B&H, just under the wire to take advantage of the promotion discount. I then got quotes for my 17-35 f/2.8D AFS IF-ED lens with hood, caps, and leather CL-76 case, from KEH and B&H. B&H offer was better. K&H figured that had more in stock than B&H. B&H offered me what I expected from a seller of used equipment but the final offer could go down if they don't agree it is like new with no signs of wear. I have 14 days to accept their offer, but I think I will put it on Nikonians for a week as I would like to get a little more if possible. Thank you all for your inputs. I had no idea that I would be purchasing any Z lenses other than the 24-70 I have, but the idea of having a better performing lens super wide-angle lens without having to use an FTZ was a powerful draw.Bob Baldassano
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#8. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 7
Mon 30-Nov-20 07:30 PMAfter looking at the I want to sell listing,I have decided to just take the B&H offer, as I see the 16 to 24 lenses being offered for about what I would have listed the 17-35. Too bad because it is in great shape,but just taking the B&H offer would probably net me the same with no hassle.Bob Baldassano
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#9. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
The 14-30 is a great bang for the buck lens!
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#10. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 9
Tue 01-Dec-20 05:21 PMI agree, over the years I have had a long string of Nikkor glass.my first Nikon was a Nikkorex F. Lenses are always a good investment as they keep there value longer than bodies. The lens I am selling to B&H was purchased in 2008. It has depreciated about 50% over that time. It is still a great lens and if I had not gone Z, I would have kept it. One of the reasons That finally pushed me to the Z7 was size and weight. Once in that environment you realize that while the FTZ let's you use so many F lenses, you often pay a weight and performance penalty that you don't with a native Z lens.I will still keep my 16 mm fisheye, but it will see less use now that I can go to 14 mm. I do plan to use some of my MF lenses, 50, 55, 24 mm as they work well on the Z7 and are small and light even with the FTZ. In any case the 14-30 significantly reduced the size and weight of my travel kit for use when we get back to normal.Bob Baldassano
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#11. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 10
Sat 05-Dec-20 10:39 PMWell, I got my 14-30 f/4 S Z lens on Friday. I am so glad you guys encouraged me to make this purchase and sell my 17-35 f lens. What a beautiful lens this is. It is so compact and light and 14 mm is really wide. I have significantly lightened my kit (and my wallet) with this purchase. So 14-70mm is now covered by Z lenses with some overlap with my 24-120 f/4 F lens and FTZ. I still have my 70-200 f/2.8 VR AFS and my 300 mm PF ED which will work with the FTZ and in manual mode on the FTZ I can still use my 200 mm Micro, and my 16 mm f/2.8 Fisheye. I also have very old manual F lenses AI and AI'd 24mm f/2.8, 50 mm f/1.4, and 55 mm f/2.8 Micro that will work with the FTZ.
I am wondering if I should look at the 70-200 mm range and replace both my 24-120 f/4 and my 70-200 f/2.8 with one Z lens that would cover the 70-200 range. Truth be told, I have hardly used my 70-200 f/2.8 since I got the 300 mm f/4 PF.Bob Baldassano
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#20. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 11
Mon 14-Dec-20 11:25 PMGlad to hear you got the 14-30 - one of perhaps many to come Z lenses that offer real advantages. I just did some sunrise/landscape stuff with mine and am very happy with the results.
My way of thinking is that Z zooms through to short telephoto focal lengths offer great advantages. In that vein I expect the Z 24-105 is going to be stellar too, so you might want to wait for that.
Whereas the Z 70-200, albeit great lens that it is, doesn't win head and shoulders over the F-mount recent versions.
I don't mind the FTZ other than it is cost prohibitive to dedicate one per F-mount lens. For me I plan to keep (and even accumulate used bargain) F-mount primes. But ultra-wide zooms and wide to short telephoto zooms those Z lenses are too good to ignore and plus I like their overall more compact size/weight!
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#21. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 20
Tue 15-Dec-20 12:58 AMThanks for your input, as I have not made up my mind on the new 70-200. I have the VR1 version. I think I will play with it and the Z7 for a time. No rush to change. I sold my 17-35 f/2,8 and found there was a problem that it was clicking when focusing. I was not aware of the issue when I sent it to B&H, so they just deducted cost of repair out of what they offered me. For now the Z14-30 f/4 & Z24-70 f/4 will have to do.Bob Baldassano
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#12. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
I am glad you like the 14-30 lens.
If you can afford it, the 70-200 Z mount it equally as wonderful as the other Z lenses. It works ver well with the Z mount telecom enters. I am glad I sold my 70-200 f/2.8 AFS to get the Z version. Of course if you are not shooting in that range, then there is no need to get it.
While I liked the convenience of the 24-120 f/4 VR, it is not a very good lens on a Z. It’s faults become more apparent. If you like the idea of an intermediate zoom, then perhaps the to-be-released 24-105 Z lens will fit that bill.
Of course all of this is based on “Money is not object” but for most of us it usually is.
Mick
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#15. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 12
Sun 06-Dec-20 04:19 PMMick of course cost is always an issue. With the new 70-200 z it also appears heavy. If I sold my 24 -120 and the 70-200 I could put a small dent in the cost. Over the last few years I have shot mostly wildlife and travel images including landscape and macro. I lived an hour from the coast and had a reservoir 5 minutes from my house where there were lots of egrets and herons.Until I bought the PE version of the 300 mm, I used my 70-200 vr more than my old 300 mm. Doing international travel drove me to the 24 to 120 because of weight and the problem of always seeming to have the wrong lens mounted out of my 17-35 or 35-70 or the 85 mm when I carried that.I also carried a 1.4 TC, as you really didn't need a super tele in Europe. I don't think I want to ignore the 70 to 200 range and I don't want a variabe aperture lens. If the 24 to 120 is really not good on a z7 then it would make sense to part with it. On the D810, I could do with just that lens as a travel lens.I saw the 24-120 on Nikons D850 list with a star next to it, but could not find a reference to what the star meant. But if it was ok for the D850, what issues appear when used on the Z7?
Now that I live in Napa, I am an hour away of a different part of the coast, and about 3 minutes from the Napa River, but have not explored any of it yet.
So I need to give this some thought. In the meantime I can evaluate how these 2 F mount lenses work with the Z7.Bob Baldassano
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#16. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 12
Sun 06-Dec-20 04:53 PMI see Nikon is producing a 70-200 f/4 z lens. Is there any data or release date info on this lens? I assume it would be cheaper and lighter than the f/2.8 version. It might be an option.Bob Baldassano
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#18. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 16
Sun 06-Dec-20 05:56 PMBob,
I don't know where you saw that Nikon has a 70-200 F/4 Z mount planned.
I do not see it on the latest mirrorless roadmap.Mick
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#19. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 18
Sun 06-Dec-20 09:26 PMIt showed up in an older rumors file when I did a search. I guess it is a ghost lens.Bob Baldassano
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#13. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
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#14. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 13
Sun 06-Dec-20 03:35 PMI am still staying close to home with the pandemic. Up to this year I have traveled extensively. I have canceled all my planed trips. I hope next year we can get back to normal. So all my purchases have been triggered by the desire to lighten my load, though I do see a lot of road trips in my future where weight is not an issue.I am also trying to reduce my kit to essentials as I move to keep or purchase only the best lenses to work with the Z7.Bob Baldassano
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#17. "RE: Nikkor Z 14-30 f/4 vs 17-35 AFS ED IF f/2,8 zoom" | In response to Reply # 0
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