Upgrading from Z7
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#1. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Wed 14-Oct-20 11:21 AMHi Vlad, what to do with your gear depends on your wallet. If you can afford it keep the gear otherwise sell it.
The announced Z6II and Z7II maybe a major upgrade. With the Z6II you may get the workhorse you are looking for especially when skying starts again. It has 14 pictures per second.
Another question is if the new batteries will last longer.
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#2. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Wed 14-Oct-20 11:27 AM | edited Wed 14-Oct-20 11:33 AM by Vlad_ITSo true about the battery. I get 1000 shots on one charge with Z7. At least the same with d500. With d500 with grip battery is always more than I need in one day. I think z6ii with grip will fulfill my battery daily needs.
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#3. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Thu 15-Oct-20 06:37 AMIt still isn't clear what Nikon's vision will be going forward. I don't think they even know.
What is the Z9? We know nothing, it is all speculation. The Z6/7 was released yesterday, and the Z6/7 II today.
What about a Z8? Doesn't 8 come between 7 and 9?
Anyways, I'm sticking with DSLR until they get their act together.Comments and critiques always welcome on any photo I post. Visit my Nikonians gallery. See my portfolio.
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#6. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 3
Thu 15-Oct-20 10:43 AM | edited Fri 16-Oct-20 12:47 AM by Vlad_IT>Anyways, I'm sticking with DSLR until they get their act
>together.
John, I hear you. And you might be right. But my take on this that Nikon is in survival mode. Z-mount seems to be a revolutionary design, and mirrorless cameras are the future. Plus, with age, I more and more prefer lighter packages. Just 4 years ago I was Hiking for 6-7 hours with d500 with grip, 150-600 sport, GT5530 with ball head and sidekick and was happy. Today I appreciate Z7 weight and size.
Best regards,
Vlad
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#4. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Thu 15-Oct-20 07:42 AM
Vlad,
I am sort of in eh same boat as you. I have a Z7 and several Z lenses. I works great for many things, but I still have a D500 and some excellent lenses from covering from 8 to 800mm.
I had thought of selling the D500 and most of the F-mount lenses to move to a Z 6II and complete my mirrorless transition. But I don't see anything in the announcement that makes me want to make that jump now.
Perhaps I will change my mind one we are past the hype and the camera is in actual users hands. Once they have had some time with it, we will get a true picture of the camera's strengths and flaws.
I am sort of in eh same boat as you. I have a Z7 and several Z lenses. I works great for many things, but I still have a D500 and some excellent lenses from covering from 8 to 800mm.
I had thought of selling the D500 and most of the F-mount lenses to move to a Z 6II and complete my mirrorless transition. But I don't see anything in the announcement that makes me want to make that jump now.
Perhaps I will change my mind one we are past the hype and the camera is in actual users hands. Once they have had some time with it, we will get a true picture of the camera's strengths and flaws.
Mick
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#5. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 4
Thu 15-Oct-20 10:32 AM | edited Thu 15-Oct-20 10:52 AM by Vlad_ITMick,
Thanks for your input.
I placed orders for both cameras, and reading first reviews, trying to decide what do I want ( definitely not as I desperately need it).
I’m leaning toward canceling z6ii and keeping z7ii as my primary pro body (I’m doing less and less wildlife and more and more portraits, starting specializing in building my fashion photography portfolio). My Current Z7 I’ll keep as a backup and travel body. I do like having extra resolution on a Travel body for cropping Capability. For me, Z7 with kit lens, makes a perfect small travel package with all-day battery life. I rarely take D500 out of bag right now, except when I’m going hiking and doing some sport/soccer shots. It seems like z7ii will be a quite close competitor to D850 ( yet to see, of course). I don’t expect AF on Z7 ii to be as good as d500/d850, but it looks like Nikon designed upgraded cameras with improved AF in mind to be close enough. Don’t forget before D500 we all were happy with d750 AF performance
D500 with Kit lens and grip will go for sale, 3 AF-P DX lenses will go on sale - no big money there, I might keep some/all of them for my daughter’s D3300, which was my BD gift For her years ago and she doesn’t want to part with it.
I got rid of all my pro f-mount lenses. Not planning to invest In F-mount anymore, even into used glass (but who knows? Z cameras accept glass from almost every manufacturer via adapter. So maybe I’ll invest into a specialized used glass, depending on my needs).
Sorry for a long post. Im sort of thinking out loud. It looks like having Z7 and Z7 ii combo makes most sense to me, especially I already owe 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8 is on backordered.
BTW, all,
Does anyone know a small third-party FTZ adapter just with electrical contacts only and no built-in motor? Nikon FTZ is too big and I rarely use it for travel.
Best regards,
Vlad-
#7. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 5
Thu 15-Oct-20 05:19 PMVlad-
I for one, would be interested in hearing (reading) what your motivation in dumping the Z6ii over the Z7ii. If you are doing portraiture, wouldn't the Z6ii offer you some good stuff?
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#8. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Thu 15-Oct-20 09:30 PM | edited Thu 15-Oct-20 09:34 PM by Vlad_IT
Dan,
After reading some reviews and talking to pros, i feel that Z7 is good for what i do currently. Z7ii will not improve my portraiture work much. leaning toward z6ii over z7ii for lower light focusing capability during concerts (questionable, as both cameras rated -4.5EV AF, but previous experience tells me z6ii will AF better than z7ii in low light), higher usable ISO and occasional need for fast FPS. i feel i can safely sell D500 if i'll get z6ii
Best regards,
Vlad
After reading some reviews and talking to pros, i feel that Z7 is good for what i do currently. Z7ii will not improve my portraiture work much. leaning toward z6ii over z7ii for lower light focusing capability during concerts (questionable, as both cameras rated -4.5EV AF, but previous experience tells me z6ii will AF better than z7ii in low light), higher usable ISO and occasional need for fast FPS. i feel i can safely sell D500 if i'll get z6ii
Best regards,
Vlad
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#9. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 8
Thu 15-Oct-20 11:09 PM>Dan,
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(questionable,
>as both cameras rated -4.5EV AF, but previous experience tells
>me z6ii will AF better than z7ii in low light)
No, you were right about the z 6II low light AF. Only the 6II is capable to -4.5EV, the 7II is -3.David
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#10. "Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 16-Oct-20 12:41 AM | edited Fri 16-Oct-20 12:42 AM by Vlad_IT
Nikon USA says for both cameras AF starts from -4.5EV. However metering range listed for z7ii as -3 to +17EV and for z6ii as -4 to +17EV. Some marketing
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#11. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 10
Fri 16-Oct-20 12:07 PMHi Vlad,
Interesting – and you're showing Nikon data. I think Nikon didn’t define the asterisk nearby, at least I couldn't find the definition.
I’m actually trying to support your assessment of Z 6II AF differences in low light. So, I’ll be specific about the technical parameters.
Here are Nikon’s specs for, first the Z 7II, then the Z 6II
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/mirrorless-cameras/z-7ii.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-TechSpecs
Focus/Autofocus
Z 7II
Detection Range
-3 to +19 EV (-4 to +19 EV with low-light AF)
Detection range (ISO 100, f/2.0 lens, 20 °C/68 °F)
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/mirrorless-cameras/z-6ii.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-TechSpecs
Z 6II
Detection Range
-4.5 to +19 EV (-6 to +19 EV with low-light AF)
Detection range (ISO 100, f/2.0 lens, 20 °C/68 °F)
This is usually called ‘Low light sensitivity’ under the Autofocus System, e.g., see Nasim Mansurov’s Nikon Z6 vs Z6 II comparison
https://photographylife.com/nikon-z6-vs-z6-ii
Low-Light Sensitivity
Z 6
-3.5 to +19 EV
Z 6II
-4.5 to +19 EV
The Z6 held an AF Low Light Sensitivity gain over the Z7, so I expected the Z 6II would as well.David
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#12. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Mon 19-Oct-20 07:23 PM
I am facing the same quandary. I use my Z7 for everything but fast action but would like to do more low light street shooting. Landscapes love the dynamic range and 45 megapixels and no filter. Two additional stops of low light focusing sure would be great with the Z6 II but that filter sure gets in my head. Perhaps the only reasonable choice is to get them both one for the night and the other for the day. One to print and the other to post. There, I solved your dilemma. Now just figure how to pay for it over 12 months at B&H or 24 months at BestBuy. Shoot one or two extra weddings and your there!
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#13. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 12
Mon 19-Oct-20 08:51 PMWhat filter are you talking about? Does Z6 ii has low pass filter?
Best regards,
Vlad
#14. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 0
Tue 20-Oct-20 06:40 AM
Nikon School in the UK hosted an interesting session yesterday evening on the new second generation Z cameras. Open, candid discussion with lots of interesting questions and answers.
As a current happy Z6 user, not using video, the key question for me was whether the Z6II is a worthwhile upgrade but I think it's relevant to this thread.
I think my key driver for change is autofocus, not that I feel the current system is particularly lacking. From this discussion and the participants' experience it was clear that there is better low light performance - not just a lower minimum light level in which AF is possible, but faster more reliable AF in reduced light too. Secondly, there is improved AF where processing power is required - this would appear to be eye recognition and tracking.
Others of course will benefit from the improved buffer and frame rates, I don't photograph wildlife or sport so not a big consideration for me.
Slightly off topic for this thread, but the second card slot is seen as a significant change, although this is a divisive issue and real analysis of the benefit needs to take account of the improved reliability of XQD / CFExpress over SD and the reduced write speed when backing up to SD.
Vertical grip? I don't want one but honestly think this is the biggest design oversight in the original Zs.
For me an upgrade would provide very minimal benefit.
However, I feel that the Z6II and Z7II now seem to be very viable replacements for the many D750 / D850 users who require the new hardware options to enable a move to a system that will allow them to benefit from what I think are the best lenses available today. Secondly I think they will hold up well against the obvious competitors for customers who buy on specs (rather than ergonomics where Nikon clearly has advantage anyway to my mind). They were very clear that at this point the Z7II gives up nothing to the D850.
Hope this helps!
As a current happy Z6 user, not using video, the key question for me was whether the Z6II is a worthwhile upgrade but I think it's relevant to this thread.
I think my key driver for change is autofocus, not that I feel the current system is particularly lacking. From this discussion and the participants' experience it was clear that there is better low light performance - not just a lower minimum light level in which AF is possible, but faster more reliable AF in reduced light too. Secondly, there is improved AF where processing power is required - this would appear to be eye recognition and tracking.
Others of course will benefit from the improved buffer and frame rates, I don't photograph wildlife or sport so not a big consideration for me.
Slightly off topic for this thread, but the second card slot is seen as a significant change, although this is a divisive issue and real analysis of the benefit needs to take account of the improved reliability of XQD / CFExpress over SD and the reduced write speed when backing up to SD.
Vertical grip? I don't want one but honestly think this is the biggest design oversight in the original Zs.
For me an upgrade would provide very minimal benefit.
However, I feel that the Z6II and Z7II now seem to be very viable replacements for the many D750 / D850 users who require the new hardware options to enable a move to a system that will allow them to benefit from what I think are the best lenses available today. Secondly I think they will hold up well against the obvious competitors for customers who buy on specs (rather than ergonomics where Nikon clearly has advantage anyway to my mind). They were very clear that at this point the Z7II gives up nothing to the D850.
Hope this helps!
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#15. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 14
Tue 20-Oct-20 08:57 AM>Nikon School in the UK hosted an interesting session
>yesterday evening on the new second generation Z cameras.
>Open, candid discussion with lots of interesting questions and
>answers.
>
>As a current happy Z6 user, not using video, the key question
>for me was whether the Z6II is a worthwhile upgrade but I
>think it's relevant to this thread.
>
>I think my key driver for change is autofocus, not that I feel
>the current system is particularly lacking. From this
>discussion and the participants' experience it was clear that
>there is better low light performance - not just a lower
>minimum light level in which AF is possible, but faster more
>reliable AF in reduced light too. Secondly, there is improved
>AF where processing power is required - this would appear to
>be eye recognition and tracking.
>
>Others of course will benefit from the improved buffer and
>frame rates, I don't photograph wildlife or sport so not a big
>consideration for me.
>
>Slightly off topic for this thread, but the second card slot
>is seen as a significant change, although this is a divisive
>issue and real analysis of the benefit needs to take account
>of the improved reliability of XQD / CFExpress over SD and the
>reduced write speed when backing up to SD.
>
>Vertical grip? I don't want one but honestly think this is the
>biggest design oversight in the original Zs.
>
>For me an upgrade would provide very minimal benefit.
>
>However, I feel that the Z6II and Z7II now seem to be very
>viable replacements for the many D750 / D850 users who require
>the new hardware options to enable a move to a system that
>will allow them to benefit from what I think are the best
>lenses available today. Secondly I think they will hold up
>well against the obvious competitors for customers who buy on
>specs (rather than ergonomics where Nikon clearly has
>advantage anyway to my mind). They were very clear that at
>this point the Z7II gives up nothing to the D850.
>
>Hope this helps!
Agree with Dan wholeheartedly! More to the point of the new AF. Ricci's preliminary review clearly shows the Eye AF in the Wide Area mode. But it also shows that AF loses the eye when the subject moved away from the camera-- and not too far away at that. It may be a function of the lens..or not. This will really be the key for me regarding any decision concerning the Ziis. I will wait and see practical use of production copies from our community.Now known as Poppyrazzi for our family---sweet!
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#16. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 15
Tue 20-Oct-20 09:56 AMThe same eye AF Recognition behavior is in current Z7. It’s normal. just a face recognition with addiction of eye recognition. Face has to be large part of the image for eye tracking to work properly.
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#17. "RE: Upgrading from Z7" | In response to Reply # 15
Tue 20-Oct-20 09:58 AM | edited Tue 20-Oct-20 10:05 AM by lcadorI noted the same thing. The original Zs were criticized for this in comparison tests. What I feel has not been adequately discussed/clarified about AEF is the distance at which eye focus and face focus yield the same sharpness of eyes. It may be that those brands that pick up eyes at a greater distance, in fact, produce no better eye sharpness for regular or wide angle lenses. The part aperture plays (DOF) needs also to be considered.Visit my Nikonians gallery.
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I love my Z7, with few exceptions. One is higher rate of failure in low light focusing for moving object (mostly events, like concerts and dancing floors). low FPS count/low buffer (i shoot RAW exclusively) and as a side note, i have 70-200 Z lens on backorder for 3 months now - hopefully it will be delivered before ski season starts. ( i also have Z7 kit 24-70 as well as 24-70 F/2.8, which is my primary lens now on Z7
For action, wildlife and travel photography i still use D500, as i have plenty of AF-P light lenses, kit lens and few sigmas which works fine for my application, 150-600 S and 100-400 C
With the announcement of Z6II and Z7II, i'd like to put an order for another body and keep my Z7 for studio and fashion shoots.
can't figure out yet which body to order: Z7 II and keep all three body i have, or dump D500 and get Z6 II as everyday camera with Z7 as a backup and for for Hi-Res studio work. And this is what i think i would be most happy with.
last option is just wait and see if Z9 comes to light soon
I would love to hear your opinions, fellow nikonians.
Best regards,
Vlad