Eye AF?
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#1. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 15-Jan-21 10:34 AM | edited Fri 15-Jan-21 03:30 PM by RassieThree words to answer your question about the need for eye AF:
Weddings, pets, children.
Those scenarios are not necessarily fast-moving, and there is where eye-AF is most valuable. Imagine doing the portrait images of bride and groom outside. Put the autofocus point on an eye and it will stick there, allowing the photographer to concentrate on composition.
There are plenty videos on YouTube where folks review the eye-AF of the Z6ii. It's a wedding or fashion photographer's dream. -
#2. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 15-Jan-21 10:51 AMI would never consider using AF-S for landscapes (and some architectural situations). Manual focus is preferred since you need to have adequate focus near to far unless you are purposely throwing the background out of focus for effect.Ernesto Santos
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#3. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 0
Sat 16-Jan-21 03:13 PMWith focus peaking so good, and accurate, manual focus is a natural for anything you want to control the focal plane for artistic reasons, but Auto Area Eye Tracking AF-C is really good for very shallow depth of field images. I do not use it in the studio because there, the background us controlled so fashion for full figure shots are usually done stopped down and depth of field is not a concern.
With the faster lenses and the slight movement of the shooter and the subject, AF-C Eye AF really does increase the keeper rate of handheld shots of people. The Z6/7 were also very good for Eye AF from firmware 3.0 and later. The one advantage of Canon and Sony that was promoted by the youtube influencers was the distance eyes were detected on those cameras but in real use, tracking someone's eyes at 30 feet is useless, especially when the Sony was tracking faster in the EVF but not at accurate as the Nikon that keeps it off until the eye is closer. Their focus peaking is not as accurate either so fast lock on, if it really is not locked on, is a hollow victory. I did a shoot for a jazz singer in a small club Tuesday, and my "old" Z6 did just fine in the dime mixed light source jazz club, only one missed focus out of 218 frames and that was my fault. Getting good focus is not a problem with these cameras, but many users are beginners and do know understand when different focus modes have an advantage and how good MF is on the Z body. There really is no excuse for missed focus with any modern camera and the youtube influencers ranking cameras based primarily on the EVF tracking indicator speed is a sure indication their income stream depends on promoting one model. They skipped over build quality, handling, ergonomics, color science, high fidelity EVF, weather sealing, etc to promote their brand based in how far out the EVF shows the camera detected the eye.
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#4. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 0
Sat 16-Jan-21 03:57 PMI used it just this week. My dog dislikes having a camera pointed her direction. Her ears go back and she may walk away. But she was very ill, and last Sunday could not even walk up the steps on our deck without a rest. We said goodbye on Tuesday, so this is one of the final images.
Using Animal Eye Detect and the rear LCD, I could engage with her and hold the camera at arms length about 15 inches off the ground. I was able to hold the camera in position to compose the photo and get the shot with the eye perfectly sharp. The previous 20 frames composed traditionally were either out of focus, her head was turned away, or her ears were back. I got 4 good ones in a row with Eye Detect. I was at f/3.2 and 50mm to blur the background. I used a silent shutter.
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I consider it to be a tool. It does allow you to worry about composition or engaging the subject. That's not a tool you need for every shot.
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#5. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 4
Sat 16-Jan-21 04:51 PM>I consider it to be a tool. It does allow you to worry about
>composition or engaging the subject. That's not a tool you
>need for every shot.
Sure agree that it's simply a tool and for many amateurs, who concentrate on landscapes and macro images, it's something we'll seldom use
On another note, condolences on the loss of your friend. She was beautiful!Dan
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#6. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 4
Sat 16-Jan-21 04:59 PMGlad to see that you got a really nice last photo of your friend. -
#7. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 4
Sun 17-Jan-21 07:57 AMEric,
First, sorry to hear about the passing of your old friend, we have been there ourselves more than once and have a near 19 year old now that I help daily with her getting around.
I agree about some dogs behavior. Our eldest never quite figured out I just want pictures and often moves off when I get a camera out.
Finally, a wonderful picture.David
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#8. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 7
Sun 17-Jan-21 09:02 AMThanks everyone.
My dad is the same way around cameras. He hates to have his photo taken - to the point where he diverts his eyes from the camera.
Eye AF and the silent shutter allow me to make images that are simply not possible otherwise.Eric Bowles
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#11. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 0
On a side note, I find all those YouTube autofocus comparisons very misleading. So many YouTubers would have you believe that Nikon Z autofocus is completely unusable and easily beaten by a ten year old camera. They effectively complain that it isn’t magic enough at being able to figure out what you want to focus on without user intervention. If they took the time to learn how to use it, they’d find that it’s actually very good.
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#12. "RE: Eye AF?" | In response to Reply # 11
Sat 30-Jan-21 05:46 AMThe proper use of the AF in reviews usually assumes one wants to allow the camera to decide what you intended so in Auto Area they do not pick a subject then complain the camera did not pick the right subject. It is easy to give a hint on the Z bodies by simply pressing the button in the multi-selector. In that regard, Nikon's options include an easy way to select an alternative subject while the competition does not, either accept the camera's choice or stop AF and try again activating it hoping the camera finds what you intended. That usually requires pointing the camera away from the scene and then bring it back to include the subject.
Another deceptive view practice is to praise the speed of the viewfinder indicator box moving to the moving subject and assuming the indicator is actual focus when it is not. One reviewer ranked the Sony higher than the Z6 in focusing speed and accuracy but then showed the actual images and discovered, a surprise to himself, was the Nikon images had achieved lens focus in significantly more frames in both burst and single-shot modes. I have never had fewer in-focus images than my D850 or D800, either in events or studio sessions, out of focus is rare, 1 in 500 shots with the Z6 where fast lenses are used wide open. The negative reviews seem to be looking for problems instead of looking for well-focused shots. Leaving the choice entirely to the camera as to the desired subject is just not how anyone uses a camera.
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Have a new Z6_2.
After "playing" with it some time, and following the great dispute who's EYE AF better (NIKON, SONY, CANON), my question is about the need/purpose of EYE AF.
For portraits/landscape/architecture - single focus AF-S is the right choice.
For fast action sports/fast moving subjects (people/animals/cars/planes/etc.) - from my expirience Dynamic AF is better.
Area AF as a whole performs not so great (not only on Z6_2, I had the same with D750 so I never used it).
Please share your opinions about the subject.
Thank you in advance