Z6II has better image quality than expected
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#1. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 0
Fri 13-Nov-20 03:35 PMThe image quality and display quality is indeed excellent and one reason my other Nikon cameras sit on a shelf or in a large camera backpack stuffed with the items used on commercial sessions while the Z6 in in a small sling bag with 2 S lenses and a flash with me every day.
Thefew reviews where image quality was voted on, same scene, light and position with competing cameras, if readers are able to vote, they always pick the Z bodies regardless of what they shoot with.
The reason so many high volume YouTube channels are so negative towards Nikon is simply due to Nikon not paying YouTube influencers. The ones who stress how much better Sony or Canon are are not photographers but Youtube personalities. Those with 1-2 million subscribers drive the market so their support is very valuable to Sony in particular which spends a lot on high view channels. If one of the inflencers has a few million views per month, their ad revenue from YouTbe ads runs well over a Million dollars, plus they get direct support from Sony for hundreds of thousands more, and 5-20% commissions from affiliate links. That is how they have full time production staff, studios, unlimited equipment, full time video editors,cameramen, scriptwriters..and none are photographers with published images. They all stress the speed of Sony focus tracking, but not in-focus images. What else can they promote, except the speed the little square darts around the screen? Buid or image quality, ergonomics, EVF, video quality, weather sealing, a great mount, etc are not on their side so they stress AF tracking indicator. One of them panned, as expected, the Z6 II by saying the new AF was way behind because he had to press a button to start tracking and Sony just knows which moving subject he wants...? huh? What happens if the camera selects a subject not desired by the user? He had to turn the camera in another direction and back hoping it made the right choice. He claimed Nikon was way behind because the user had to select what they want to track, which he says is "old fashion" to have to press a button to start tracking. I guess I am old fashion, I like to image to be of the subject I select, I have a reason for selecting it. He has over a million followers and that one video turned off 10s of thousands of potential buyers of the Z system. That has a big impact on sales, more than any print or broadcast ad.
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#2. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 1
Fri 13-Nov-20 03:45 PMExcellent analysis and right on. Although my A9II can be a little snappier in the AF department, the jpeg colors are sometimes far off, especially skin tones. Loads of blue in the skin shadows, sometimes too warm and almost always over-saturated. While one may adjust these settings, it is nice to have a camera that does not need the tinkering from frame to frame to get it right. Sony off flash is another can of worms. Only Canon can equal Nikon AWS/CLS. In long shoots the Canon flash can go off on its own once in a while and blow out everyone. Not happening with AWS. Wish they would find a way to attach the WR-R10 that does not exose it to the risk of breaking off however. Even an extension cable to dangle it from the camera would be nice. Now I use a cage to protect it from my left hand when I am grappling with the camera.
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#3. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 1
Fri 13-Nov-20 04:44 PM | edited Fri 13-Nov-20 04:55 PM by nkcllewisStan, thanks for this write-up about YouTube influencers. It makes perfect sense and yes. They seem to be relying on the axiom that if you repeat something over and over, even if it isn't based on fact, people will come to believing it is fact.
I just gave my daughter my beloved Sony NEX-6 with it's fabulous APS-C 16mb sensor. It was much smaller than my D610 - D750 at the time. I ended up taking it everywhere. I took many pictures with that camera with it's tiny kit lens and even sold a few that were cropped.
But realistically, the NEX-6 was a challenge ergonomically and a pain to use with lots of lag in startup. And, if you didn't use it frequently, you'd have to remember how to find key functions in the menu or how to use the dial in the back for such things as how to change the aperture when in manual mode.
So, I never bothered with the next gen Sony's because Sony simply didn't "get it" when it came to actual "use-ablility"; things like a decent menu and ergonomics. But, it was that little NEX-6 that turned me onto the benefits of mirrorless. And because of the NEX-6, I knew way back then that DSLRs were old technology and that Nikon would eventually come on-board. So now that I have a Z7 and a Z50, I'm pretty much set for many, many years to come.
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#4. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 3
Tue 17-Nov-20 07:04 AMThe situation with influencers is shaking the traditional print and broadcast promotion to its core. Madison Avenue ad agencies are all seeing serious declines in revenue, 50% down from 10 years ago and the remaining big accounts are from companies with retirement age officers so the big agencies might disappear. Ford spends $3000 per vehicle sold in conventional media. Tesla spends Zero on ads, Ford has seen a 32% drop in sales this year while Tesla has 50% increase every year for the last 6 years.
Youtube is the difference....besides old fashion pickup trucks are falling out of favor.
Social media, Instagram and Youtube have created an entirely new industry that requires no investment in money or training that creates a great deal of income to some. A media expert friend of mine, self-taught consultant and whose 1 hour a night(after the two little children are asleep) she creates photogenic healthy kids foods, and on Instagram a lone nets $20,000 a month for her 30 postings a month. Food distributors pay her to use their ingredients and then the ad revenue adds up to that.
She broke down the income of a channel like Jarad Polan and the Northcut couple and she put their reach data into her spreadsheet and came up with his income from Youtube, plus commissions on sales is currently $2,900,000 per year. The Couple are earning about $5 million year steering people to their channel and than to cameras where ad revenue from YouTube plus direct payment for promoting the brands. I know a number o people who post a new video every other day, and have 500,000 followers and sometimes 1 million views and get ad revenue from YouTube in the high $400k a year for such things as trying clothes sent by manufactures , they are called Try-on Hauls, where usually an attractive girl tries on the free clothes sent, usually 4-10 items. She can make $900k a year since there is no heavy production just an iPhone and tripod or sometimes a video camera, in a bedroom or other space.
This is a tremendous bargain for the manufacture that gets great sales responce $1mil per showing.
Sony probably gets 80% of their sales from a dozen or so high volume YouTube channels. If they paid each one a few hundred thousand that cut the cost of sales by 90%. A large portion of the channel's income if from getting a cut of YouTube ad income from companies that buy ad time to run every few minutes in videos. One guy I know earns $3,000,000 a year from videos where he just chats but sometimes shows how he makes his money showing the accounting record sent monthly from YouTube.
Nikon needs some new blood in their marketing department. Since Canon switched from mass print ads to supporting YouTube channels their sales have taken off. Some whizkid with a computer could turn Nikon's sales up 3 notches in a couple of months. The Sony reps are told to stress AF, Nikon could stress image quality and build/handling etc. Cut their print ads and find 10 good on-air personalities. But I suspect Nikon is a bit conservative and old school and will waste its money on print ads and billboards. The problem is not their products, it is a mid-20th-century marketing department head. Nikon could stress connectivity also, Z cameras are really good about wireless connectivity. The should also have a grip that has a modernized version of the WT-7 high-speed wi-fi adaptor built-in. $700 that adaptor is pretty outrageous considering the RF module in it is about $10. Having a 1 or more gigabit per second wireless transfer to remote computers or a local access point up to 660 feet away would be very attractive to pros and advanced amateurs alike if they only knew about it. If the lowered the price by installing it in a grip, that would be a major advantage in the market. To get that grip,one needs to buy a Z7/6 2 and S lenses. I have a WT-7 and it works great for transfers in near real-time for slide show display at a convention or wedding reception. For weddings, I rent a large screen TV and 1 second after the first shot is taken it appears on the large screen. No other brand has such a great wireless tethering option. You can even use to send bulk files to a remote server, in my case in my home, via FTP. It is sad to think these great cameras are losing due to outdated marketing, not engineering or quality. Simply put, I get better images than my friends with a73 cameras. And they are IN FOCUS, regardless of the theme, the YouTube personalities claim.
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#5. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 4
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#6. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 4
Tue 17-Nov-20 03:19 PMBloody Hell. Didn’t know this. What a post. Thanks..Visit my Nikonians gallery.
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#7. "RE: Z6II has better image quality than expected" | In response to Reply # 0
They should be quite comparable strictly from the perspective of the sensors themselves. Of course, lenses, the way you expose and process, etc, etc, are all variables not considered in the data below.
https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20Z%206,Sony%20ILCE-9M2
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