DXO Photolab Elite
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#1. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 0
GiantTristan Registered since 08th Jan 2006Tue 19-Dec-17 02:15 PM | edited Tue 19-Dec-17 02:16 PM by GiantTristanHave been using DxO photo editing software for many years. The newest version, PhotoLab Elite, now also performs "Local Adjustments". In my opinion, PhotoLab is superior to LR, especially with regard to Raw Conversion, Noise Reduction, Selective Sharpening, and geometric corrections. The program interfaces seamlessly with LR, but I only use LR for archiving, size adjustment and searching.With the new charging scheme for LR, DxO is also financially more attractiveTristan
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#3. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 2
William Rounds Nikonian since 25th Mar 2011Wed 20-Dec-17 08:07 AMAs always, are the features of one, as opposed to the other, features you need or use? Capture One is almost a requirement for professionals who tether. Do you tether a lot or see a need to tether in the future? Do you do a lot of color grading? Capture One is good at that. Do you prefer to use a Luma curve rather than an RGB curve? Capture One has a Luma curve capability.
I have both software packages, but I never use the tethering function and I would need specific training to use effectively the Luma Curve or color grading possibilities of Capture One. While professional retouching experts in the industry may really like, or be required to use Capture One in no way makes it better for the average photographer.
On the plus side for DxO is, especially with the local adjustments reminiscent of NX-2, is a greater number of lenses in the lens correction repertoire, some very good film simulation options, perhaps a better noise reduction option than any other of the majors, the best geometrical adjustments options, a fairly good interface with Lightroom, and, I can't remember what else.Visit my Nikonians gallery.
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#4. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 3
Mithel Registered since 12th Mar 2017Wed 20-Dec-17 11:04 AMThanks William, that was helpful. I agree, there can be many good software choices but what is important is what you use.
I use Capture One and Affinity Photo. (no I don't do tethered shooting) Much of the time I'm able to do everything that is essential in Capture One but if I really want to retouch skin then I'll bring it into Affinity.Visit my Nikonians gallery.
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#5. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 0
I am new to DxO Photolab, but used Photoshop and Lightroom for years. So far, I am delighted with DxO and what it can do. There is just a lot of flexibility in the program.
They invite users to download the program for a trial run (I think 30 days) which is a good idea, if you want to know how it works.
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#6. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 5
GilticK Registered since 17th Oct 2015Fri 22-Dec-17 06:29 AM | edited Fri 22-Dec-17 06:31 AM by GilticKI'm using DxO Optisc Pro from version 9. Recently I switched from Optics Pro 11 to Photo Lab.
I somehow like DxO Photo Lab but there are a few things that bothers me.
I'm not Lightroom fan but I must admit, that this software just works most of the time. Usually I develop my RAW files in DxO and if needed I send them to LR for additional tweeking. I send my files to LR when I need to recover highlights. I also have Capture One 11 but for me, nothing works as good as LR for highlights recovery.
DxO has Smart Lighting and separate Selective Tone feature with Highlights, Midtones, Blacks etc etc sliders but…..
Smart Lighting is not ''the magic tool''. It would be naive to expect that you will just move Smart Lighting slider and your photo will be perfect. Far from that. There are photos you will need to use Selective Tone sliders and those sliders don't work. At least they don't work for me as good as in LR.
For example I was playing with one of my RAW files – in LR I only had to move Highlight slider to the left and all the sky was recovered. As simple as that.
In DxO, Highlight slider also affects mid tones so you can't just move it to the left like in LR. You also need to tweak Midtones slider and Smart Lighting but the end result won't be the same.
Other Selective Tone sliders also interact with each other far too much for my taste.
Let's just concentrate on Selective Tone sliders for a second. Let's forget about Smart Lighting, Clear View, Curves and other features in DxO.
Let's just talk about Selective Tone sliders. They don't work or I should say…they don't work for me (long time ACR user and also a few years LR user).
If DxO has agenda to compete with LR, they need to fix those Selective Tone sliders. Me and probably all other LR and ACR users are used to wonderfull sliders which just do what they suppose to do. Nothing less and nothing more.
They say you need to change RAW development philosophy when you use DxO. They say DxO workflow is not the same as RAW developing workflow in LR.
Well; if this is true then please send me some links to Youtube tutorials. Let some DxO experts show me, how to recover highlights. Anyone? Let someone show me so called DxO philosophy.
I must admit that I'm very demanding user. I'm picky and anal and God knows what else. So, if something doesn't work as I think it should I'm not happy.
I also believe there is no ''one tool for all jobs''. So DxO Photo Lab is not all in one solution. It's good but they need to fix it and they need to put out tutorials. A lots of tutorials, how to do something. There are things LR does them better and there are things Capture One does them better.-
#7. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 6
William Rounds Nikonian since 25th Mar 2011Fri 22-Dec-17 07:37 AM | edited Fri 22-Dec-17 07:41 AM by William Rounds>I'm using DxO Optisc Pro from version 9. Recently I switched
>from Optics Pro 11 to Photo Lab.
>I somehow like DxO Photo Lab but there are a few things that
>bothers me.
>I'm not Lightroom fan but I must admit, that this software
>just works most of the time. Usually I develop my RAW files in
>DxO and if needed I send them to LR for additional tweeking. I
>send my files to LR when I need to recover highlights. I also
>have Capture One 11 but for me, nothing works as good as LR
>for highlights recovery.
>DxO has Smart Lighting and separate Selective Tone feature
>with Highlights, Midtones, Blacks etc etc sliders but…..
>Smart Lighting is not ''the magic tool''. It would be naive to
>expect that you will just move Smart Lighting slider and your
>photo will be perfect. Far from that. There are photos you
>will need to use Selective Tone sliders and those sliders
>don't work. At least they don't work for me as good as in LR.
>For example I was playing with one of my RAW files – in LR I
>only had to move Highlight slider to the left and all the sky
>was recovered. As simple as that.
>In DxO, Highlight slider also affects mid tones so you can't
>just move it to the left like in LR. You also need to tweak
>Midtones slider and Smart Lighting but the end result won't
>be the same.
>Other Selective Tone sliders also interact with each other far
>too much for my taste.
>
>Let's just concentrate on Selective Tone sliders for a second.
>Let's forget about Smart Lighting, Clear View, Curves and
>other features in DxO.
>Let's just talk about Selective Tone sliders. They don't work
>or I should say…they don't work for me (long time ACR user
>and also a few years LR user).
>If DxO has agenda to compete with LR, they need to fix those
>Selective Tone sliders. Me and probably all other LR and ACR
>users are used to wonderfull sliders which just do what they
>suppose to do. Nothing less and nothing more.
>
>They say you need to change RAW development philosophy when
>you use DxO. They say DxO workflow is not the same as RAW
>developing workflow in LR.
>Well; if this is true then please send me some links to
>Youtube tutorials. Let some DxO experts show me, how to
>recover highlights. Anyone? Let someone show me so called DxO
>philosophy.
>
>I must admit that I'm very demanding user. I'm picky and anal
>and God knows what else. So, if something doesn't work as I
>think it should I'm not happy.
>I also believe there is no ''one tool for all jobs''. So DxO
>Photo Lab is not all in one solution. It's good but they need
>to fix it and they need to put out tutorials. A lots of
>tutorials, how to do something. There are things LR does them
>better and there are things Capture One does them better.
You have just descrbed why a single software application is never enough, never perfect. I use DxO and Capture One and LR/Photoshop and NX-2 (if I don't count plug-ins and HDR software). Finding that right balance of time needed to post-process with the "potential" of each one will probably never be resolved definitely. But when I'm only post-processing for web use or web display, should I get all picky about it? I don't. But when it comes to making prints then taking a whole lot of time, and being demanding about results, is different for me. It's also probably why I don't do much printing.
And since we're discussing the millions of variables involved, I also notice that some software seems to be better with some of my Nikon bodies than others. I recently redid some NEF conversions from old images taken with a D60 using Capture One and WOW! I never got those results with NX-2 or DxO. Relentless struggle.Visit my Nikonians gallery.
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#8. "RE: DXO Photolab Elite" | In response to Reply # 6
elec164 Nikonian since 15th Jan 2009Fri 22-Dec-17 04:40 PM>Let's just concentrate on Selective Tone sliders for a second.
I've been using DxO software since OpticsPro10. Like it a lot,,, especially now that they incorporated U-Point technology for Local Edits.
But I agree with GilticK in that the Selective Tone sliders aren't so selective. There's significant overlap between the three controls. DxO really needs to refine how they work. In saving highlights,,, personally I haven't found anything better then PS Shadows/Highlights tool. Although I experimented with the new Local Adjustment tool,,,, and for recovering sky's and it looks promising. It's far superior to using the Selective Tone Panel.
There's also no means of soft proofing. I haven't really used it for printing,,, so don't know how well it handles the translation to printer profiles. I've been handing off TIFF's to PS CS6 for final edits and printing.Pete
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