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Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed

slip10

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slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Sun 02-May-21 04:34 PM
Hi

I’m considering adding the 500 pf to my collection and have read some reviews (a little older) that focus was significantly slower on the Z then dSLR. This is not a lens issue. I’d like to use the lens for wildlife. Any current users of this combo and thoughts?

I could use it with my d850 but am trying to move to the Z as primary. It looks like a 500mm S is on the road map but not sure what price point or when that will appear.

Thanks for your thoughts.

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#1. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

Grandpaparazi Platinum Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2018
Sun 02-May-21 06:08 PM
Nothing scientific, and I’ve heard those rumors as well, but I recently took delivery of the 500 PF, and use it on both my D850 and Z 6. I have noticed no difference in focus speed. Again, not a careful measure - just a few words to say really satisfied.

Kevin

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#2. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

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Sun 02-May-21 06:21 PM | edited Sun 02-May-21 06:56 PM by meadowlark2
I use the 500PF with a Z7 and find that the focus is very quick to acquire focus and I have been very happy with it. All of the images in my gallery "What's New for 2021" were taken with it for example. It is very good even with quick little birds.

Finding a bird in flight already in the sky has been more of a challenge but I have heard that by using the buttons on the lens the process is very effective.

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#3. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

Rassie Gold Member Awarded for his win at the Nikonians Best 2016 Photo Contest Ribbon awarded for his generous contribution to the 2019 Fundraising campaign Nikonian since 08th Jan 2006
Sun 02-May-21 06:34 PM
If the lens needs to rack focus from nearest to infinity (hunting) it is definitely slower on a z camera than on a DSLR. Eric Bowles wrote a post where he says it has to do with the fact that the Z cameras use a different focus method than DSLR's, so the slower racking from near to infinity or back has to do with the Z camera and its focus methodology.

On the other hand, if the lens is focused near where it needs to be while on a Z body it will acquire final focus just about as quickly as on a DSLR. In other words, if the lens does not need to travel far to achieve focus it won't do it any slower than on a DSLR.

The Z cameras are known for the fact that their focus is more accurate than DSLR's, so you're more likely to get more pin-sharp images with just about any lens than with that same lens on a DSLR body.

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slip10

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#4. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Sun 02-May-21 10:10 PM
Thanks all. I feel much better and just clicked the "buy" button.

Now to play and learn how to shoot this.

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JonK Moderator Awarded for his high level skills and in-depth knowledge in various areas, such as Wildlife,... Donor Ribbon awarded for his very generous support to the Fundraising Campaign 2015 Nikonian since 02nd Jul 2004
Sun 02-May-21 11:34 PM
You are going to love it!

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Grandpaparazi Grandpaparazi

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#6. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 4

Grandpaparazi Platinum Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2018
Mon 03-May-21 12:12 AM | edited Mon 03-May-21 12:14 AM by Grandpaparazi
I’m sure you will really enjoy it. By the way, I just noticed you’re from Madison. I lived there for over 20 years, and still teach by distance with the University of Wisconsin. I used to be quite active in the photography club in Madison, and taught classes in the early days of digital. My headshot was taken by a friend at Allen Garden.

Kevin

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slip10

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#7. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 6

slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Mon 03-May-21 08:12 AM
>I’m sure you will really enjoy it. By the way, I just
>noticed you’re from Madison. I lived there for over 20
>years, and still teach by distance with the University of
>Wisconsin. I used to be quite active in the photography club
>in Madison, and taught classes in the early days of digital.
>My headshot was taken by a friend at Allen Garden.
>
>Kevin

I love the Madison connection. I’m originally a Chicago guy and love it here. Allen Garden is still beautiful. I’m always amazed that no matter what, there’s a Wisconsin connection be it a movie or a Nikonians thread!

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critidoc

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#8. "Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

critidoc Silver Member Awarded for his win at the Best of Nikonians 2016 Photo Contest Nikonian since 27th Feb 2007
Tue 04-May-21 05:08 AM
You are going to love it. I use the 500PF with the z7II plus all 3 nikon teleconverters, extends the range up to 1000mm!no apparent loss in AF with the teleconverters. Favorite focus modes are wide animal eye, single point , dynamic and auto with tracking.
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Grandpaparazi Grandpaparazi

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Grandpaparazi Platinum Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2018
Tue 04-May-21 09:42 PM
I was out shooting today with the 500mm PF on my Z 6. Swallows are notoriously fast and unpredictable but the Z 6 locked right on and wouldn't let go.

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Kevin

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slip10

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#10. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Tue 04-May-21 09:50 PM
Love the pic samples! It’s arriving tomorrow and can’t wait to get out to play!

Steve
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critidoc

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critidoc Silver Member Awarded for his win at the Best of Nikonians 2016 Photo Contest Nikonian since 27th Feb 2007
Wed 05-May-21 05:28 AM
You will need to be flexible with your focus modes, be ready to change from auto to wide area to dynamic or single point depending on foreground and background. If open sky, auto area with or without tracking works, as the view gets crowded, you may need to the focus point area from auto to wide area to small area to dynamic and pinpoint when in branches. Auto and wide will grab higher contrast stuff around the targets or twigs/branches in front of the target subject.

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sample was shot with wide area animal eye, about as close as I can use wide area instead of single point.
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slip10

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#12. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 0

slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Thu 06-May-21 02:59 PM
Quick question - when hand holding, what do you set VR at knowing that there is in camera stabilization.

Thanks!

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ricardo00 ricardo00

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#13. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 9

ricardo00 Silver Member Ribbon awarded for his win in the 2018 Best of Nikonians Annual Photo Contest Nikonian since 18th Sep 2015
Thu 06-May-21 03:35 PM
That is impressive! How did it lock on to the scene when you have several birds? These swallows were flying when it locked on or were taking off?

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Grandpaparazi Grandpaparazi

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#14. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 12

Grandpaparazi Platinum Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2018
Thu 06-May-21 03:48 PM
I don’t believe there’s a problem leaving both on for hand held photography with this camera and lens combination. For a long lens like a 500mm the lens VR is typically more effective, so if using only one, leave the lens VR turned on. But they’re each actually better for different kinds of shake (camera shake versus unintended lens movement) so they typically work fine together.

The feedback loop problems occur when using a tripod, and then you want to turn the lens VR off.

Kevin

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Grandpaparazi Grandpaparazi

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Grandpaparazi Platinum Member Nikonian since 26th Jul 2018
Thu 06-May-21 05:49 PM | edited Thu 06-May-21 05:50 PM by Grandpaparazi
I had locked on to the middle of the three flying birds. As he was coming in for a landing the others came into the frame. I was snapping a series and shared this one where they were all in the frame. They were close enough to in plane to make them all appear reasonably sharp.

Kevin

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slip10

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#16. "RE: Z7ii, ftz and Nikon 500 pf focus speed" | In response to Reply # 14

slip10 Gold Member Nikonian since 09th Feb 2006
Thu 06-May-21 08:06 PM
>I don’t believe there’s a problem leaving both on for
>hand held photography with this camera and lens combination.
>For a long lens like a 500mm the lens VR is typically more
>effective, so if using only one, leave the lens VR turned on.
>But they’re each actually better for different kinds of
>shake (camera shake versus unintended lens movement) so they
>typically work fine together.
>
>The feedback loop problems occur when using a tripod, and then
>you want to turn the lens VR off.
>
>Kevin

Thank you!

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critidoc

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critidoc Silver Member Awarded for his win at the Best of Nikonians 2016 Photo Contest Nikonian since 27th Feb 2007
Fri 07-May-21 05:14 AM
My understanding of the z system is that IBS is disabled when using an f type lens and the the lens VR takes priority. When using fast shutter speeds I usually disable VR on the lens.

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